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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
Ah, so you mean after the Invasion.

It will certainly help to get people more agreeable when they are all cited to come to SD and stay in the fuck-huge Imperial Palace for the duration.
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I kind of wanted to have it at the Crossroads, where the city of New Darry will be built. Also subsequently liable to overtake King's Landing in prominence to a degree due to its even more centralized location.

See the plan was to construct a nice and secure location for the nobles to send representatives in order to discuss policy. A House of Lords, if you will.

I generally view King's Landing as a cultural artifact, it has character but 9/10ths of that character is all bad, with a sliver of sentimentality and history making the greatest attraction the Red Keep (now a semi-museum), the Great Sept of Baelor, and the site of multiple massacres (AKA the Dragonpit) perpetrated by incompetent ancestors.

Edit: Oh, but your idea of inviting them to SD to have that Summit is a good idea, too, generally. Doesn't mean we can't have that House of Lords. And it means we can tack on our coronation in the same event.
 
Crake said:
I kind of wanted to have it at the Crossroads, where the city of New Darry will be built. Also subsequently liable to overtake King's Landing in prominence to a degree due to its even more centralized location.

See the plan was to construct a nice and secure location for the nobles to send representatives in order to discuss policy. A House of Lords, if you will.

I generally view King's Landing as a cultural artifact, it has character but 9/10ths of that character is all bad, with a sliver of sentimentality and history making the greatest attraction the Red Keep (now a semi-museum), the Great Sept of Baelor, and the site of multiple massacres (AKA the Dragonpit) perpetrated by incompetent ancestors.

Edit: Oh, but your idea of inviting them to SD to have that Summit is a good idea, too, generally. Doesn't mean we can't have that House of Lords. And it means we can tack on our coronation in the same event.
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Building a location for the Westerosi nobles to scheme with each other far away from our seat of power sounds like a bad idea to me. What you are describing sounds 100% like something we wanted a huge Imperial Palace for.

Also, at least my plan was to have the coronation right before the Invasion, formally crowning ourselves and stating our claim on Westeros, with the Westerosi lords who are sworn to us in attendance.
 
Azel said:
Building a location for the Westerosi nobles to scheme with each other far away from our seat of power sounds like a bad idea to me. What you are describing sounds 100% like something we wanted a huge Imperial Palace for.

Also, at least my plan was to have the coronation right before the Invasion, formally crowning ourselves and stating our claim on Westeros, with the Westerosi lords who are sworn to us in attendance.
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We could also build it in Sorcerer's Deep... I just figured that the Lords schemed perfectly well under the nose of 300 years of Targaryen despots, I figure they can scheme just as well in our capital.

In fact it might be the only place they can scheme comfortably in our capital, considering there's apparently some kind of social wall which self quarantines sycophants and bootlicks away from our inner circle and any actual high official.
 
Azel said:
Building a location for the Westerosi nobles to scheme with each other far away from our seat of power sounds like a bad idea to me. What you are describing sounds 100% like something we wanted a huge Imperial Palace for.

Also, at least my plan was to have the coronation right before the Invasion, formally crowning ourselves and stating our claim on Westeros, with the Westerosi lords who are sworn to us in attendance.
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Crake said:
We could also build it in Sorcerer's Deep... I just figured that the Lords schemed perfectly well under the nose of 300 years of Targaryen despots, I figure they can scheme just as well in our capital.

In fact it might be the only place they can scheme comfortably in our capital, considering there's apparently some kind of social wall which self quarantines sycophants and bootlicks away from our inner circle and any actual high official.
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I think it'd be much better to have that meeting held in Sorcerer's Deep in a our Imperial Palace. Perfect chance to show off both our Crown City and our seat of power.
 
Crake said:
We could also build it in Sorcerer's Deep... I just figured that the Lords schemed perfectly well under the nose of 300 years of Targaryen despots, I figure they can scheme just as well in our capital.

In fact it might be the only place they can scheme comfortably in our capital, considering there's apparently some kind of social wall which self quarantines sycophants and bootlicks away from our inner circle and any actual high official.
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Eh. We got the Inqusition to spy on the lot of them.

I'm just generally against anything that might serve as a local rallying point or secondary capital, since that just invites the chuckle-fucks to try and secede. See Rome for why having a too important regional center is going to bite you in the ass sooner or later.
 
Azel said:
I'm just generally against anything that might serve as a local rallying point or secondary capital, since that just invites the chuckle-fucks to try and secede. See Rome for why having a too important regional center is going to bite you in the ass sooner or later.
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And just like that, you've totally convinced me.

Though I hope that doesn't mean we can't let Lord Darry build that city. It is true that, just given its location, there's virtually no chance it won't beat out King's Landing for a lot of land-bound trade, and it will have a pretty big advantage on the local level since it will be right near the ocean as major trade hub. But that advantage is kind of somewhat ameliorated by the fact that we are giving charters to like over half a dozen other people in the Riverlands alone, too.
 
Crake said:
And just like that, you've totally convinced me.

Though I hope that doesn't mean we can't let Lord Darry build that city. It is true that, just given its location, there's virtually no chance it won't beat out King's Landing for a lot of land-bound trade, and it will have a pretty big advantage on the local level since it will be right near the ocean as major trade hub. But that advantage is kind of somewhat ameliorated by the fact that we are giving charters to like over half a dozen other people in the Riverlands alone, too.
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Where exactly do you want to build it? I'm kinda expecting Salt Pans to get a huge boost in the medium term, what with sitting at the mouth of the Trident. Having a competing city nearby would be difficult, since that location is hard to beat.

I'm definitely in favor of dropping a significant amount of royal favor on the Darry's though. Either by building a city or, alternatively, industrializing the shit out of their fief.
 

I expect that Maidenpool (House Mooton), the Saltpans (House Cox), New Darry (House Darry at the Crossroads, central location of Greater Darry) will receive charters, along with the Freys of the Crossing, the Keaths of Oldstones, Bracken and Blackwood (Stone Hedge and Raventree). Along with (possibly) Stoney Sept... I would have said Pinkmaiden and Seagard, but they're traitors, so fuck'em.

Oh, and Harroway's Town, as well. They're loyalists. Edit: Well, maybe just a boatload of industry for Harroway. I definitely want to make them rich and prosperous in a hurry.
 
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Crake said:
Edit: Oh, but your idea of inviting them to SD to have that Summit is a good idea, too, generally. Doesn't mean we can't have that House of Lords. And it means we can tack on our coronation in the same event.
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The question then becomes, how will they be invited? Should it be delivered by a Herald, as a tireless extension of our will and the laws we have codified, a flight of stately Griffin Knights to impress upon noble onlookers the heights they can aspire to in our service and the respect they can earn, or should it be a Dauntless skyship to convince them that they really, really shouldn't be late?
 
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Goldfish said:
The question then becomes, how will they be invited? Should it be delivered by a Herald, as a tireless extension of our will and the laws we have codified, a flight of stately Griffin Knights to impress upon noble onlookers the heights they can aspire to in our service and the respect they can earn, or should it be a Daedalus skyship to convince them that they really, really shouldn't be late?
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Can't go wrong with both. Heralds for all the Great Lords, and patrols of Griffin Knights for the lesser ones.
 
Crake said:

I expect that Maidenpool (House Mooton), the Saltpans (House Cox), New Darry (House Darry at the Crossroads, central location of Greater Darry) will receive charters, along with the Freys of the Crossing, the Keaths of Oldstones, Bracken and Blackwood (Stone Hedge and Raventree). Along with (possibly) Stoney Sept... I would have said Pinkmaiden and Seagard, but they're traitors, so fuck'em.

Oh, and Harroway's Town, as well. They're loyalists.
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Seagard will fall under Frey rule, so I'd say we need to get rid of the Mallisters one way or another anyway. Can you imagine old Walder Frey getting along with Tully loyalists who's literal words are "Above the rest"? Also, they have traditional beef with the Ironborn, so they will likely be a stumbling block to getting proper trade going there.

Alternatively, we could make a channel from the area around Oldstones to the sea, found a city at the place where the channel meets the sea and marginalize the Mallisters and Seagard entirely.

As for New Darry, yeah, that looks fine. (Mind you that my maps still go with the assumption of Darry being north of the Trident, but whatever.)
I definitely want a channel from the Gods Eye, past Harrenhall and to the Trident, so might as well make it join the Trident at the Ruby Fort and further improve the areas importance. With Harrenhall a major Legion and airforce base, it also makes our control over the area very firm, so that nobody will get weird ideas.

The other big channel I want is Pinkmaiden - Stoney Sept to link the Red Fork with the Blackwater and giving us maximum river shipping mobility, so both of those places will likely grow to cities from that alone.

Goldfish said:
Daedalus skyship
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Did I miss a new class entering production?
 
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Crake said:
Something about 160 Launchers on one airship gives me one of those infomercial warnings.

The forty cannons ain't bad either.
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Don't forget the 20 Beetle Bomb racks.
The thing can dish out so much death and destruction per round...

On the other hand, it also costs a few thousand IM per round to fire those weapons.
 
@Azel, there is still one Warspider form not accounted for.
And considering our gigantomania, it has to be.
Having High-frequency Vibrational Blade enchantment blades on each limb is non-optional.
:V
 
Azel said:
Don't forget the 20 Beetle Bomb racks.
The thing can dish out so much death and destruction per round...

On the other hand, it also costs a few thousand IM per round to fire those weapons.
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Yeah, but it could probably also single-handedly win a battle... against an army.
 
Azel said:
On that note, Norvos is likely a bit nervous right now. We've built a ton of roads that looks suspiciously like invasion routes this month. Some of them pretty much on the border.
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It is a warning. Last time we went to that city we threatened them. We are just squeezing a little tighter...well no but they don't need to know that.
 
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egoo said:
@Azel, there is still one Warspider form not accounted for.
And considering our gigantomania, it has to be.
Having High-frequency Vibrational Blade enchantment blades on each limb is non-optional.
:V
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Alright. Then we will need a Colossal one with two Steam Cannons and two Advanced Launchers.
Crake said:
Yeah, but it could probably also single-handedly win a battle... against an army.
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Given the price-tag, it kinda has to. After all, in GP market value, it's worth 4.4 million GP, without crew or munitions. Compared to that, a lvl 20 character is expected to have 800,000 GP.
 
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