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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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@Goldfish Any way we can counter swarm tactics immediately with the magic we have access to? Or is it just too much of a logistical challenge this short notice?

I would say we would want to press on Gornath, but I still don't want to put our backs to the enemy. We could also prepare a position near Gornath in advance, and force a confrontation by bombing the city's defenses from afar. That way they'll likely choose to link up with Sarnath's forces and we can pick the time and place of battle.
 
Well, that is bad.

Not sure what we can do against swarms, if we really want to keep using footsoldiers.
Long-term we can get the right enchanted items and scrolls given out on company-level, but that won't help us in this campain.
There are enough low-level area spells that killing swarms is really not that much of an issue, if we were prepared.

Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, this wasn't specified because we thought it'd be standard procedure by now, but we always have Viserys cast Magic Army over his vassals before a major campaign.
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It's not the lack of magic weapons, swarms are simply hard to kill with regular weapons in general.
 
Crake said:
@Goldfish Any way we can counter swarm tactics immediately with the magic we have access to? Or is it just too much of a logistical challenge this short notice?
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We have enough Alchemical Weapons to deal with swarms, I believe.

But using them en masse without harming your own soldiers will take a lot of training. You don't hand out grenades to every man just like that.
 
We have enough AOE to deal with swarms, but not enough to keep them off our Legions apparently.
 
I think what would help would be Staffs with Wall of Fire, but that would be ruinously expensive even for us.

Maybe if one in 10 Legionaires had Body of the Sun in potion-form?
 
Well, my belief we shouldn't have brought the squishy humans with us is mostly validated.
 
As it stands it will take weeks to heal all of those Legionnaires.

I would prefer to hunt down and eliminate their swarms, or at least force them to thin out their concentrations of them
 
Yeah, there's nothing we can do.

The only way of dealing with this form of attack is that we just gotta grit our teeth and cull them as they chip away our health.

This is a probe to soften us up for the enemy to march their powerful units and break through our line.

We just have to circulate the units in the front with the back so that we could withstand their charge. And the ones most used by the people of their era is without a doubt, the chariots.

I.E. Blast those wheeled monstrosities before they get near our line. Either through concentrated archer strikes or bombard them using artillery.
 
Celestial Brilliance is the best answer to Undead swarms. Viserys can cast a bunch of them, using Blood Wish, Miracle, and Wild Arcana, and Dany can prepare a few dozen of them. With a duration measured in days per level, we can provide enough of them for each Legion to have enough to cover all of their people.

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Goldfish said:
Celestial Brilliance is the best answer to Undead swarms. Viserys can cast a bunch of them, using Blood Wish, Miracle, and Wild Arcana, and Dany can prepare a few dozen of them. With a duration measured in days per level, we can provide enough of them for each Legion to have enough to cover all of their people.

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That works, but it would mean that our undead allies can't come close to help.
 
Duesal said:
I think it's fine. This is the kind of practice they need if they're going to stand any chance of surviving the Long Night.
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What isn't fine is the losses to such a trivial enemy.
Morale isn't going to keep up well if they keep on dieing to every new threat in such numbers.
 
Is the lions roar aoe big enough to hit that many undead?

Blossom would certainly be helpful here. Any other Brijidine we could summon?

And we really aught to start dedicating attachments of clerics. Turn undead would have been great here.

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Incorporeal. Lovely.

Celestial brilliance looks like they way to go. But really we need to get priests this was embarrassing.

Do we have miracle? That can cure plagues ending some filth fever should be easy.
 
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egoo said:
What isn't fine is the losses to such a trivial enemy.
Morale isn't going to keep up well if they keep on dieing to every new threat in such numbers.
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The casualties in this battle weren't too bad, and they'll be great statistically once we've shown we can deal with things like disease through magic. Ordinarily disease after a battle and attrition in general deal the most casualties. If we show we can bypass most of the things that bleed people in war, morale will be fine. Most soldiers deal with death in battle better than they do death on campaign and in camp, to threats they can't even see.
 
Crake said:
As it stands it will take weeks to heal all of those Legionnaires.

I would prefer to hunt down and eliminate their swarms, or at least force them to thin out their concentrations of them
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Wild arcana mass heal. If we can fit 1 diseased legionary per square foot, we can heal 706 soldiers per cast. This is a bit tight, but you can definitely fit half that. If we don't mind running out of Viserys spells and mythic power, we can heal them all in one or two days.
 
Staff Notice: Dial it back a bit.
I still think the casualties are good. This will force the useless normies to break through the first bottleneck and actually start becoming usefull.
 
Archibald said:
Wild arcana mass heal. If we can fit 1 diseased legionary per square foot, we can heal 706 soldiers per cast. This is a bit tight, but you can definitely fit half that. If we don't mind running out of Viserys spells and mythic power, we can heal them all in one or two days.
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We'd suffocate more legionaires than we save in that attempt.

You can't squeeze these people above each other, I think any sane GM would limit the amount of people in a 30ft area sharply.
 
Archibald said:
Wild arcana mass heal. If we can fit 1 diseased legionary per square foot, we can heal 706 soldiers per cast. This is a bit tight, but you can definitely fit half that. If we don't mind running out of Viserys spells and mythic power, we can heal them all in one or two days.
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@DragonParadox, how many people would you allow a Mass Heal to affect? Assuming we could reasonably for 4 legion soldiers into each five foot square, at least long enough to cast the spell?
 
egoo said:
What isn't fine is the losses to such a trivial enemy.
Morale isn't going to keep up well if they keep on dieing to every new threat in such numbers.
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True. That said, it's not like we're not learning with each new encounter.

With the Thenns we learned about incorporeal spam, and our answer to that was Imperial Steel for its Ghost Touch property.

With this campaign we faced a swarm undead spam, and our answer to that appears to be Celestial Brilliance.

The earlier we learn these tricks the more of our men survive in the long run.
 
[] Send the walking sick back to Sorcerer's Deep where we have the personnel to deal with them in quarantine.
-[] You will press on against Gornath, again not letting up on divination and trying to prevent Sarnath from placing you in a pincer between one host and another. If it seems like they will try to meet you in the field only after linking up, just bomb Gornath's less well-defended host when they are out in the open and before they can be aided by their allies, while you move to prepare a position to fight from via Titan's Tools, obviating the advantage of chariots with earth works and breaks in terrain, leveling out where your men will be fighting.
--[] While on the march you will cover your forces with Celestial Brilliance spaced to cover the entirety of the Legion, keeping your undead allies trailing behind and out of range of its effect.
 
Goldfish said:
@DragonParadox, how many people would you allow a Mass Heal to affect? Assuming we could reasonably for 4 legion soldiers into each five foot square, at least long enough to cast the spell?
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Its 113 people if you fit 4 soldiers per 5ft x 5ft square.

Duesal said:
True. That said, it's not like we're not learning with each new encounter.

With the Thenns we learned about incorporeal spam, and our answer to that was Imperial Steel for its Ghost Touch property.

With this campaign we faced a swarm undead spam, and our answer to that appears to be Celestial Brilliance.

The earlier we learn these tricks the more of our men survive in the long run.
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I'm not sure about celestial brilliance as a long term solution to swarms. Its not like undead are the only kind of swarms the legion will have to deal with. Its good for a short term solution, but I think we need to look for something better.
 
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