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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Azel said:
You are forgetting that Essos has nearly no canon characters, so nobody cared all that much when I plotted the wholesale slaughter of everyone who had inconvenient opinions.
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Essos had some cool people. The fire pope, That guy whos name starts with a V, that one guy who was so dumb we considered making him into an anti-mindflayer weapon...

Crake said:
All else being equal, I kind of like it when the thread bitches, you at least see people who rarely post putting serious effort into contributing to the discussion again, even if it's not always constructive...
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Nice to feel appreciated. Maybe I should make a concentrated effort to calm down in the future.

Goldfish said:
I'm expecting Olenna to have herself Reincarnated into a hot 20 year old before the conquest is finished.
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Thanks for that... mental image. It sure does exist now. In my brain.
 
BronzeTongue said:
We're going to need to find literate and numerate people to work in it, but most of the "free" locals will be maesters, who have a long tradition of using positions like that to subtly guide politics. If we bring in too many Essosi managers then we'll have to deal with discontent about foreigners taking positions of power. Managing all of that will make rolling out imperial governmental services of all kinds slower and more complicated.
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How this will largely work is by introducing Public Schools to EVERY province with population worth the name, educate the locals with outside experts, then vet among that group of newly literate people for the least problematic ones. It will be very touch and go, but things should still be functional, in the interim, just not up to Imperial standards.
 
BronzeTongue said:
We're going to need to find literate and numerate people to work in it, but most of the "free" locals will be maesters, who have a long tradition of using positions like that to subtly guide politics. If we bring in too many Essosi managers then we'll have to deal with discontent about foreigners taking positions of power. Managing all of that will make rolling out imperial governmental services of all kinds slower and more complicated.
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Replace all of the bureaucratic positions in westeros with flesh forged servitors who are unquestionably loyal to us? Well if nobody else wants the job...
 
silvanknight said:
This might be a stupid question but are the Tyrells really more useful alive? They did start the stupidly annoying trend in the Reach of making deals with Fey and gave the Court of Stars a lot of power/legitimacy.
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No, they are not.

It's more inconvenient to murder them then to keep them around though. For now. Unless they give us a nice pretext to do it.

Also, here's hoping that Hoster Tully keels over from the combined stress of the messes we make for him. Edmure would be easy pickings at the negotiation table.
 
I have to admit, one of my favorite parts was when Viserys manipulated that idiot (I kinda forgot his name, the fool of lys i think the people called him?) into killing almost the entire lyseni assembly in an attempt to secure his own possition. He even managed to get good PR from it when we ensured the orphans would be treated well.
I hope we manage something like that with the Vale civil war. Not the same scale of course, since the leading elite of the Vale will not be conveniently all in one place at the same time but still, a number of false flag assasinations should be possible if the situation degenerates enough without the Blackfish. Those Andal houses won't exterminate themselves after all.
 
BronzeTongue said:
I wasn't thinking just stuff like roads and bridges, but also the administrative infrastructure. We're going to have to deal with all kinds of trouble there.

We're going to need to find literate and numerate people to work in it, but most of the "free" locals will be maesters, who have a long tradition of using positions like that to subtly guide politics. If we bring in too many Essosi managers then we'll have to deal with discontent about foreigners taking positions of power. Managing all of that will make rolling out imperial governmental services of all kinds slower and more complicated.
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There will surely be lots of bitching and obstructionism, but I don't expect it to amount to much. The changeover is probably going to be slow, though the apportionment of the former kingdoms into smaller provinces will do a lot to muddle organized attempts among the nobility to make nuisances of themselves. They're going to have their hands full securing their own lands, holding on to what resources are still within their control, and preventing their neighbors from preying upon them.
 
Shador said:
I have to admit, one of my favorite parts was when Viserys manipulated that idiot (I kinda forgot his name, the fool of lys i think the people called him?) into killing almost the entire lyseni assembly in an attempt to secure his own possition. He even managed to get good PR from it when we ensured the orphans would be treated well.
I hope we manage something like that with the Vale civil war. Not the same scale of course, since the leading elite of the Vale will not be conveniently all in one place at the same time but wtill, a number of false flag assasinations should be possible if the situation degenerates enough without the Blackfish. Those Andal houses won't exeterminate themselves after all.
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That was a moment of pure glory. That said, Azema was a champ for dealing with the idiot for months. She's easily one of our most patient undercover agents.
 
Goldfish said:
There will surely be lots of bitching and obstructionism, but I don't expect it to amount to much. The changeover is probably going to be slow, though the apportionment of the former kingdoms into smaller provinces will do a lot to muddle organized attempts among the nobility to make nuisances of themselves. They're going to have their hands full securing their own lands, holding on to what resources are still within their control, and preventing their neighbors from preying upon them.
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Which is why I'm tempted to immediately start with a survey of the realm and announcing a land reform that will happen afterwards.

People will pay a lot of attention to that, allowing us to make more critical moves with less meddling.
 
Crake said:
How this will largely work is by introducing Public Schools to EVERY province with population worth the name, educate the locals with outside experts, then vet among that group of newly literate people for the least problematic ones. It will be very touch and go, but things should still be functional, in the interim, just not up to Imperial standards.
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That'll be slow though. There's a difference between teaching someone enough to get by and teaching them enough to effectively work at the IRS or organize the post office.

We can fall back on stuff like Easy Math and a few other similar spells to help, but even with rapid training we'll still have to deal with discontent.
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Other admin spells-
Mechanus Mind
Ancient Knowledge
Combined Talent
Enshroud Thoughts
After all, with the miracle of WBL, you can buy competence off a shelf. :V
 
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BronzeTongue said:
That'll be slow though. There's a difference between teaching someone enough to get by and teaching them enough to effectively work at the IRS or organize the post office.

We can fall back on stuff like Easy Math and a few other similar spells to help, but even with rapid training we'll still have to deal with discontent.
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Mind that Westeros isn't completely devoid of educated people and we can patch over shortcomings by focusing on population centers and important infrastructure for the first months.

We can get by with taking over the existing systems and filling vacancies with more trusted assets. Especially vacancies caused by anti-corruption measures.
 
Azel said:
Which is why I'm tempted to immediately start with a survey of the realm and announcing a land reform that will happen afterwards.

People will pay a lot of attention to that, allowing us to make more critical moves with less meddling.
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Everyone will be on pins and needles waiting for a Herald with surveying equipment and a team of census takers to show up.

The first Imperial survey of Westeros will need teams escorted by a squad of Legion soldiers, a mage or two, and an Inquisition agent.
 
Goldfish said:
Everyone will be on pins and needles waiting for a Herald with surveying equipment and a team of census takers to show up.

The first Imperial survey of Westeros will need teams escorted by a squad of Legion soldiers, a mage or two, and an Inquisition agent.
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Fuck it, just send dozens of construct dragons to lead the work.

I doubt you are going to get many volunteers to try arguing it to death. For one thing, it would probably debate most people into the ground minded to try.

To say nothing of anyone blindingly stupid enough to attack one...
 
"Due to some irregularities and delays in the mapping of the villages in this area, it was decided to use a Moonchaser-class vessel for an aerial survey of the land. Please cooperate with the crew for the duration of it's work."
 
Goldfish said:
Everyone will be on pins and needles waiting for a Herald with surveying equipment and a team of census takers to show up.

The first Imperial survey of Westeros will need teams escorted by a squad of Legion soldiers, a mage or two, and an Inquisition agent.
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I think we should have the first few inspections happen in the territory of the least cooperative lords, and send Erinyes disguised as humans in groups of three to do the job. People will very quickly figure out not to fuck with the Imperial census.
 
The most important part isn't even for the census and the land reform to succeed, but to show presence to the smallfolk, eradicate banditry and to find out who among the lords have loyalty issues.
 
Azel said:
"Due to some irregularities and delays in the mapping of the villages in this area, it was decided to use a Moonchaser-class vessel for an aerial survey of the land. Please cooperate with the crew for the duration of it's work."
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Ignorant Village Septon: "Do not let the shadow of the dragon's demon bird fall upon you! It will devour your immortal soul!"
 
@Azel "Why lord Manwoody, where ever were you hiding those silver deposits in your mines? Don't worry, we will perform extra surveys in that region so they can be properly exploited."

Goldfish said:
Average Village Septon: "Do not let the shadow of the dragon's demon bird fall upon you! It will devour your immortal soul!"
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FTFY.
 
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[X] Crake

If it fails Asha can challenge Lord Redwyne for his son's hand in a duel to death (temporary death, we will resurrect him, but just to see if Lord Redwyne has the balls to do that. Probably not).
 
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