[X] Crake

@Crake are we giving Bloodraven some Scholarium students also? I mean this is more than enough but no kill like overkill.
Twelve fifth-circle spell casters is more than enough. They have access to Divination AND Commune. If he needs to use the House of Mirrors, he just needs to send the requisition through the nearest Inquisition branch office.
 
Twelve fifth-circle spell casters is more than enough. They have access to Divination AND Commune. If he needs to use the House of Mirrors, he just needs to send the requisition through the nearest Inquisition branch office.

Fair enough. I just remembered the plans to send the students and was wondering. I agree this is enough. You think he is going to use these resources beyond the Wall exclusively or you think he might use some in Kings Landing for some sleuthing?
 
"Enough that if you removed the Aryns and perhaps two or three other major Andal Houses from power,
So just eyeballing the political map, we could remove both branches of House Vance and consolidate their lands together, granting them to maybe Gerold and Alinor? Might be some way to arrange their elimination, even just frame-up.

We could also remove a handful of Vale houses, targeting the particularly zealous likely to oppose us in the restoration. Arryn's at the top of that list.

Just eyeballing this list, there aren't too many more options than that. @DragonParadox could Brynden suggest some specific recommendations here? I would think that converting House Grafton to the Old Gods would count towards this tally as well. TBH I think converting several other Houses (who's status will be raised after the invasion as we improve their lands) would also contribute significantly since they would 'technically' be converting from the Seven, even though most of those Houses usually pay lip service to the Faith as it stands, or intend to honor both (which is still a bit of a sting to the Seven to have heathens at worship with the guys they stabbed in the kidneys, who then got a transplant of super stab-resistant kidneys).
 
[X] Crake

If it is possible we could send some more experienced students to get more XP form fighting the horrors of the north.
 
Fair enough. I just remembered the plans to send the students and was wondering. I agree this is enough. You think he is going to use these resources beyond the Wall exclusively or you think he might use some in Kings Landing for some sleuthing?
I think he will use them in the North and in the other places we keep asking him to look into so that he doesn't have to pay attention to them personally as much (he seems to dislike disappointing us).
 
I think he will use them in the North and in the other places we keep asking him to look into so that he doesn't have to pay attention to them personally as much (he seems to dislike disappointing us).

Right. That would be useful. Plus it keeps his hands free. Oh we should ask him about making the Old Gods that herald we wanted to make.
 
So just eyeballing the political map, we could remove both branches of House Vance and consolidate their lands together, granting them to maybe Gerold and Alinor? Might be some way to arrange their elimination, even just frame-up.

We could also remove a handful of Vale houses, targeting the particularly zealous likely to oppose us in the restoration. Arryn's at the top of that list.

Just eyeballing this list, there aren't too many more options than that. @DragonParadox could Brynden suggest some specific recommendations here? I would think that converting House Grafton to the Old Gods would count towards this tally as well. TBH I think converting several other Houses (who's status will be raised after the invasion as we improve their lands) would also contribute significantly since they would 'technically' be converting from the Seven, even though most of those Houses usually pay lip service to the Faith as it stands, or intend to honor both (which is still a bit of a sting to the Seven to have heathens at worship with the guys they stabbed in the kidneys, who then got a transplant of super stab-resistant kidneys).
Dont forget Corbray, that still exists I think?
 
So just eyeballing the political map, we could remove both branches of House Vance and consolidate their lands together, granting them to maybe Gerold and Alinor? Might be some way to arrange their elimination, even just frame-up.

We could also remove a handful of Vale houses, targeting the particularly zealous likely to oppose us in the restoration. Arryn's at the top of that list.

Just eyeballing this list, there aren't too many more options than that. @DragonParadox could Brynden suggest some specific recommendations here? I would think that converting House Grafton to the Old Gods would count towards this tally as well. TBH I think converting several other Houses (who's status will be raised after the invasion as we improve their lands) would also contribute significantly since they would 'technically' be converting from the Seven, even though most of those Houses usually pay lip service to the Faith as it stands, or intend to honor both (which is still a bit of a sting to the Seven to have heathens at worship with the guys they stabbed in the kidneys, who then got a transplant of super stab-resistant kidneys).

I don't think we are restricted to just the Vale and its lords...I mean the Crownlands has quite a few Lannister loyalists that I would enjoy removing from power.
 
[X] Brynden's Forge Order
-[X] x20 Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cat (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6, 6 HD) [24,000 IM]
-[X] x12 Advanced Cleric Lotus Leshy (w/+8 Racial HD) (CR 10, 15 HD) [57,600 IM]
--[X] Total: 81,600 IM
---[X] Deliver these wherever they need to go once finished.


@Azel What were your final thoughts on the Rowan thing?
An Advanced Cleric Lotus Leshy (w/+8 Racial HD) would be CR 11 and cost 7,200 IM each.

Maybe include some Verdant Ravens [Advanced Plant-Imbued Giant Raven (w/+4 Racial HD)] (CR 6, 6 HD) with the order as well? They're right up Bloodraven's alley.

[X] Crake
 
[X] Brynden's Forge Order
-[X] x20 Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cat (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6, 6 HD) [24,000 IM]
-[X] x12 Advanced Cleric Lotus Leshy (w/+8 Racial HD) (CR 10, 15 HD) [57,600 IM]
--[X] Total: 81,600 IM
---[X] Deliver these wherever they need to go once finished.


@Azel What were your final thoughts on the Rowan thing?
I'd stick to my initial proposal. Befriend House Rowan, lead them away from the Old Gods and convince them to disown their ancestor.
 
@DragonParadox could Brynden suggest some specific recommendations here? I would think that converting House Grafton to the Old Gods would count towards this tally as well. TBH I think converting several other Houses (who's status will be raised after the invasion as we improve their lands) would also contribute significantly since they would 'technically' be converting from the Seven, even though most of those Houses usually pay lip service to the Faith as it stands, or intend to honor both (which is still a bit of a sting to the Seven to have heathens at worship with the guys they stabbed in the kidneys, who then got a transplant of super stab-resistant kidneys).

Converting as opposed to ending a line counts for less in the eyes of the most wrathful of the Dreamers, so it would take several of those to count as much as one broken line.
 
[X] Return to Goldengrove
-[X] Your proposal would be to befriend House Rowan, lead them away from the Seven and toward the Old Gods and convince them to disown their ancestor.
--[X] You think a good first point of contact would be Lord Mathis' daughter, both of whom you hope to reunite. She is already more inclined towards them at this point, and Old Gods are atypical for deities and easier for Fey to forge alliances with, or leave in peace come to that. Both understand the importance of the natural world.

[X] Brynden's Forge Order
-[X] x20 Plant-Imbued Shadow Creature Cat (w/+4 Racial HD) (CR 6, 6 HD) [24,000 IM]
-[X] x12 Advanced Cleric Lotus Leshy (w/+8 Racial HD) (CR 11, 15 HD) [86,400 IM]
--[X] Total: 110,400 IM
---[X] Deliver these wherever they need to go once finished.
 
Well, we are about to send a giant undead abomination and two Dragons to tear through the Knights of the Vale. Might as well have some heirs murdered while we are at it.
 
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Well, we are about to send a giant undead abomination and two Dragons to tear through the Knights of the Vale. Might as well have some heirs murdered while we are at it.

I actually forget exactly who we're aligned with in the Vale. Royces and Grafton are obvious but others are????

Do we ask Yohn about which heirs would hypothetically be inconvenient to him if killed since he's diplomanced them and then tell our not!Others to go to town as their own discretion on the rest?
 
Converting as opposed to ending a line counts for less in the eyes of the most wrathful of the Dreamers, so it would take several of those to count as much as one broken line.
Arryn, Corbray... do both the Vances count for two?

That would be four right there (or three otherwise).

We could also arrange for a bunch of other traitors in the Vale to die I suppose... we only need to 86 four or five total if they're serious about "a few others", especially considering, again, we'll have converted at least a handful of Houses.
 
Arryn, Corbray... do both the Vances count for two?

That would be four right there (or three otherwise).

We could also arrange for a bunch of other traitors in the Vale to die I suppose... we only need to 86 four or five total if they're serious about "a few others", especially considering, again, we'll have converted at least a handful of Houses.

Vances count as one, there was only one House Vance in the old days.
 
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