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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
Kevan Lannister IIRC.

We've been doing that for a while now. The Iron Throne tried to strongarm the Night's Watch into no longer dealing with us while dangling 50,000 IM in front of them as incentive. The Night's Watch told them to fuck off, and we gave them 50,000 IM from our treasuries, which they then used to refurbish the castles. We've since sent our magics to help build up the ruins and as well. Should be almost completely done by now.

The next step is equipping the Night's Watch with magic items and layering anti-Other wards on the castles.
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I remember that. It was fucking hilarious, and a perfect character moment for Viserys.
 
Speed53066 said:
Right, will the other word that we studded in the Thenn land be used for more defenses at the castles?
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It would be perfect.

So from what DP has revealed, the damaged wards are as follows:
Damaged Great Ward Effect Revealed:
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All non-mythic Winter-Touched and Undead must pass a DC 20 Will save or take gain 1d3+1 negative levels within the wards. If this is more negative levels than the target has HD than they are instantly destroyed.
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And the greater wards would do that along with boosting health, fertility, and making it impossible to create more undead.

It might be worthwhile to use the castles along the Wall as practice for Lya in runecrafting wards, along with modifying them as she gets creative. For example, we could try to get something against incorporeal invaders.
 
Duesal said:
And the greater wards would do that along with boosting health, fertility, and making it impossible to create more undead.

It might be worthwhile to use the castles along the Wall as practice for Lya in runecrafting wards, along with modifying them as she gets creative. For example, we could try to get something against incorporeal invaders.
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Wonderful, though we may also want to look into ammo that can touch ghosts when we fire off of the wall, or a tone of wildfire and Improved Wildfire canisters set up for when the Others attack.
 
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Speed53066 said:
Nice, that should make the others think twice form assaulting the Wall, but are we using wildfire, or is it to volatile to handle at the moment.
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We're using Wildfire, yes. It's more a question of developing the weapons to use it most effectively. Of course, we can also use the Tome of the Cabal Devil: Volume I to make an Orb of Wildfire to make Viserys' fire spells full of Wildfire. Imagine a Wildfire-laced Mythic Shadow of the Doom, packed with all the metamagic we can manage, hurled at the Lands of Always Winter. Damn if that wouldn't be cathartic.
 
Crake said:
Justiciar of the Arcane is his official title, though common parlance is "Master of Witches" but it was a bit too on the nose and probably only muttered derisively by rivals/commons.
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...Does Robert even have any organized witches after we killed all the Alchemist's guild? Also, I can't remember, but what happened to Cersei after we enchanted that one King's Guard to fall in love with her? It turned into some sort of scandals that made people mistrust magic more, I think, but the rest is a blank.
 
Duesal said:
We're using Wildfire, yes. It's more a question of developing the weapons to use it most effectively. Of course, we can also use the Tome of the Cabal Devil: Volume I to make an Orb of Wildfire to make Viserys' fire spells full of Wildfire. Imagine a Wildfire-laced Mythic Shadow of the Doom, packed with all the metamagic we can manage, hurled at the Lands of Always Winter. Damn if that wouldn't be cathartic.
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If we can get the orb of wildfire up and running we can test it on the Thenn lands and see how it works in a controlled environment that we don't care about any collateral damage.
 
Ericwinter said:
...Does Robert even have any organized witches after we killed all the Alchemist's guild? Also, I can't remember, but what happened to Cersei after we enchanted that one King's Guard to fall in love with her? It turned into some sort of scandals that made people mistrust magic more, I think, but the rest is a blank.
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1) The Golden Shields, basically.
2) She killed Boros Blount with some magic items she owned. This shamed the Blounts out of court politics. Littlefinger tried to help a bastard of the previous Lord usurp his cousin, I believe, the current Lord Blount, who we met, gave a pep-talk, and some magical items/help in order to get his lands in order. He is, as far as we know, joined fully with Monford Velaryon's network of Crownlander loyalists and generally loyal to us.
 
Speed53066 said:
If we can get the orb of wildfire up and running we can test it on the Thenn lands and see how it works in a controlled environment that we don't care about any collateral damage.
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We've had testing for a while now, just not in the way of using the orb directly. The Harbinger is made of Valyrian Steel and Wildfire, and has the Orb of Wildfire as its heart. It's participated in multiple battles to date, and there have thus far been no issues in containing the wildfire after the fact. Of course, it's a totally different ballgame when we're talking about pairing wildfire with Viserys' magic, but the Lands of Always Winter can burn merrily for all I care.

Honestly shouldn't take that much to make a new Orb of Wildfire. We have all the info we need.
 
Crake said:
1) The Golden Shields, basically.
2) She killed Boros Blount with some magic items she owned. This shamed the Blounts out of court politics. Littlefinger tried to help a bastard of the previous Lord usurp his cousin, I believe, the current Lord Blount, who we met, gave a pep-talk, and some magical items/help in order to get his lands in order. He is, as far as we know, joined fully with Monford Velaryon's network of Crownlander loyalists and generally loyal to us.
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Ah, okay. And I thought it might be the Golden Shields, but considering they're actually the Lannister's bitches wasn't sure if they were technically under Crown control.
 
On the matter of who the current Hand of the King is, @DragonParadox hasn't said.

That could mean a few things, but namely it means that Bloodraven has absolutely said nothing of note about it, not even a hint of complaining about unreasonable demands for "Varys". So we can take that a few ways.

1) There is no Hand of the King and there hasn't been one to fill the post in months despite likely repeated 'nudges' that are increasingly less nudge-like asking him to give the badge to Tywin from multiple people, all while Pycelle tries to not look like a disloyal Lannister loyalist (it's pretty difficult), Littlefinger angles to get some kind of advantage, and Varys stirs the pot and keeps everyone minding their own elbows, generally playing the same game that the real Varys did with Aerys and whispering in Robert's ear whatever he wants to hear.

2) This makes the most sense, but Kevan is now Hand of the King as this is a compromise that would satisfy everyone (or rather, get them to stop complaining) since it would still be a Lannister, just not Tywin. Thing is Kevan is loyal to Tywin so it's functionally the same thing, something I don't think Robert would be unaware of, and he would have increasingly less authority around the Red Keep (as if he doesn't already) if that were true and Kevan is generally competent enough that his interludes would have been a little less hopeless appearing since he would have had everyone rushing around fixing all the obvious problems.

3) Robert has decided to make everyone fight for the honor in a bloodsport cage-match. Personally I'm a fan of this one. Very sporting.
 
Ericwinter said:
Ah, okay. And I thought it might be the Golden Shields, but considering they're actually the Lannister's bitches wasn't sure if they were technically under Crown control.
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They're under "Crown control".

The only reason the Lannisters do not fully own King's Landing is because we fully own King's Landing. Or near enough as to make no difference.
 
@Crake, Reach aside, we only have the North to deal with, aye?

While I understand that the thread thinks we ideally don't have to bother diplomancing them before the Reconquest-
Because theoretically they won't even rouse the forces necessary by the time we plan to deal with stuff-
We probably should start uniting them regardless b/c Others and their agents.

I have severe doubts that Lannister mage-agents go into the North to help the people with supernatural shite, and...
Well, we have a tendency of finding absurdly deep-rooted magical corruption even in the most "civilized" of Westerosi lands :/

Less said about the Chumps of Seven - the better.

From all the above - what's our "to-visit" line-up?
 
We can send some agents to help them next month. A full kill team of upper-middle level heavy hitters should be possible from just spare parts who aren't really essential to any of our plans but absolutely lethal by any metric.

People like Liomond, Argo, the Misfits, etc. Reserve a free action from five or so Companion tier characters to be a Sending Stone away from teleporting in to deal with something that group can't. And if what they need to "deal with" goes beyond the bounds of a free action, that Sending Stone is instead used to inform us of the issue, and then we reevaluate from there, because we plainly don't have the resources to solve every single problem in areas which are actually as far as we know under real and present danger of turning into cognitohazardous hellzones, like the Reach (barely a step above the Abyss, that) and Slaver's Bay.
 
egoo said:
@Crake, Reach aside, we only have the North to deal with, aye?

While I understand that the thread thinks we ideally don't have to bother diplomancing them before the Reconquest-
Because theoretically they won't even rouse the forces necessary by the time we plan to deal with stuff-
We probably should start uniting them regardless b/c Others and their agents.

I have severe doubts that Lannister mage-agents go into the North to help the people with supernatural shite, and...
Well, we have a tendency of finding absurdly deep-rooted magical corruption even in the most "civilized" of Westerosi lands :/

Less said about the Chumps of Seven - the better.

From all the above - what's our "to-visit" line-up?
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While you have a good point here, I thought we had also basically got Ned to say that while he wouldn't fight against Robert, if and when we invaded he also wouldn't defend him? In the meantime the Manderly's like us and would severely regret going to war if they had to, and the Bolton's are loyal to us, so that's like... most of the East, unless we want to hit up the lesser lords under them just in case?
 
Ericwinter said:
While you have a good point here, I thought we had also basically got Ned to say that while he wouldn't fight against Robert, if and when we invaded he also wouldn't defend him? In the meantime the Manderly's like us and would severely regret going to war if they had to, and the Bolton's are loyal to us, so that's like... most of the East, unless we want to hit up the lesser lords under them just in case?
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Ned has not said a damn thing to us about Robert because we have not raised the question to him, specifically because we know if pressed he would buckle down and give us a straight answer.

His last known opinion was that even if the Gods themselves asked him to abandon Robert to his inevitable doom, he would fight for him, but then months later he gives his daughter up as a hostage ward to one of our chief supporters, and we have helped him clear out multiple threats in his lands unprompted.

So Catelyn likely argued with him by pressing on the "putting our family in danger of losing everything" button as many times as it took to get him to listen.
 
Look, I like the Starks as much as the next guy (which is to say I am a Targ supporter which is the next best thing fandom-wise), but the goose is pretty damn cooked.

I believe unless something actively threatens Jon's safety we won't pay more than two seconds of attention to the North for the foreseeable future, and if for any reason Eddard Stark proves incapable of protecting him as he has managed to do for a decade now, we wouldn't hesitate to take Jon away from him and damn the consequences.

But thus far he has kept him safe and by extension maintained control of his kingdom, so we have no reason to intervene beyond the scope of "Brynden warned us about an apocalyptic threat in the area so we dropped by to fucking murder it dead".

We are getting into the habit of delegating anything short of "could either end the world as we know it, or make it vastly easier to save it" these days. Viserys literally does not have time to do anything but actions that CANNOT be done without his direct intervention.
 
Crake said:
Ned has not said a damn thing to us about Robert because we have not raised the question to him, specifically because we know if pressed he would buckle down and give us a straight answer.

His last known opinion was that even if the Gods themselves asked him to abandon Robert to his inevitable doom, he would fight for him, but then months later he gives his daughter up as a hostage ward to one of our chief supporters, and we have helped him clear out multiple threats in his lands unprompted.

So Catelyn likely argued with him by pressing on the "putting our family in danger of losing everything" button as many times as it took to get him to listen.
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Huh. I could have sworn there was at least an implicit agreement of neutrality, but it's been a long while, so that might be my mind playing tricks on me. Something about how he couldn't in good conscience support the complete ignorance of Robert against someone who was not only defending the lands he technically didn't even rule, but specifically supported the Watch so heavily and Jon's family to boot. But, like I said, maybe not.
 
DragonParadox said:
A little over five thousand people after losses. The Thenns were the most populous Free Folk clan.
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Did we transport all of these people via the Moonchasers or did we have some other trick up our sleeves to transport them?

I ask because roughly a week ago I talked to @Azel about Moonchaser transport capacity for Black Knights, and the number given was 500 of them per Moonchaser. This appears to conflict with our ability to airlift out 5000 Thens with three Moonchasers in one round trip, so I am assuming there is something I am missing and would like some clarification.
 
Ericwinter said:
Huh. I could have sworn there was at least an implicit agreement of neutrality, but it's been a long while, so that might be my mind playing tricks on me. Something about how he couldn't in good conscience support the complete ignorance of Robert against someone who was not only defending the lands he technically didn't even rule, but specifically supported the Watch so heavily and Jon's family to boot. But, like I said, maybe not.
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The literal end of that entire paragraph, and update as a whole, was that he could not lie to himself that he did not see Viserys as a legitimate Sovereign in his own right, as opposed to a criminal/mad dog that needed to be put down. He couldn't basically make us his Straw Targaryen, essentially, unlike Robert.

But even with that, even acknowledging we had some legitimate right to rule (somewhere, not necessarily Westeros, though the former is a dangerous, dangerous stance to take considering who we are), he still said he would support Robert.

And, months later, without us having any idea of what's going on in his head, he starts doing things that make it look like he's drawing closer to our faction.

@egoo If you want my honest opinion, rather than delegating an action to a bunch of characters who will awkwardly play the "you know what I'm doing here but you can't acknowledge it outright because it would absolutely be treasonous to do so" game, maybe we should just finally approach Ned Stark and get him onsides. Casually mentioning we just rescued five thousand Thenns from an army of wraiths and one of our Companions slew an Other champion, and then go "oh and by the way, have I mentioned that I'm rightful ruler of Westeros lately?"

Rip off that band-aid finally.

Edit: On the other hand... that could take time, and it would also likely result in the North becoming intensely interested in Southron politics if we failed. Which could be a bad thing. Mostly for the Starks, of course, but also because it would be distracting for us.
 
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