Eh. Then I'd rather stick with our plant and corpse based monsters.

So was our opinion back then, when we were against using Undeads and did not have Qyburn.

And look at us are night now...

Honestly, how much do you wanna bet the moment we try to craft one, we're gonna make some Mecha/Jäeger from the Giants for our pilots to use.
 
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So was our opinion back then, when we were against using Undeads and did not have Qyburn.

And look at us are night now...

Honestly, how much do you wanna bet the moment we try to craft one, we're gonna make some Mecha/Jäeger from the Giants for our pilots to use.
You are grossly overestimating the size of giants in D&D. They are no bigger then minotaur and smaller then the Black Brutes we already make.
 
@everyone

A question for all of you D&D Loremasters out here.

"How rich is the Nine Hells?"

What am I looking here? Do they have an ocean's worth of liquid gold? Jewels that could top even the tallest peak across the realm? Palanquins that's made of six exalted jewels from Yu-Shan? Possessing a garden full of Peaches of Immortality?

And how do they compare to the Upper Planes back when they were yet beset by the Void? How baller are they?
 
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@everyone

A question for all of you D&D Loremasters out here.

"How rich is the Nine Hells?"

What am I looking here? Do they have an ocean's worth of liquid gold? Jewels that could top even the tallest peak across the realm? Palanquins that's made of six exalted jewels from Yu-Shan? Possessing a garden full of Peaches of Immortality?

And how do they compare to the Upper Planes back when they were yet beset by the Void? How baller are they?
Material wealth is meaningless.
Pit Fiends have Wish SLAs and the Archdukes, particularly Big Red, are god-like.

Only souls really matter as a currency there. And maybe rare magic materials.
 
I'm back. My internet went out today for a much longer time, though thankfully it did get fixed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 17, 2020 at 12:34 PM, finished with 60 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] Meet with the Sealord and tour through the former Drowned Town, now the new Imperial Quarter of Braavos, first walking about to take in the sights under glamours.
    -[X] A bit later, discuss what it would take to open a branch of the Scholarum in Braavos and in Pentos.
    --[X] Afterwards, meet up with General Gerold and Ser Aubert and host the first official meeting of Imperial High Command through the Gemstone Table, allowing for the first time the entirety of the senior officers to meet together at the same time through the magic of the high fidelity arrays emanating from their Anchors, allowing seamless long-distance face-to-face discussion and visual displays either of maps, terrain or intelligence.
    --[X] You will go over the military occupation of Pentos and how well enforcement of martial law is going there, as well as future or imminent military deployments.
    [X] Denys Level-up
    -[X] +1 Alchemist
    --[X] Skills: +1 Alchemy, +1 Diplomacy, -5 Disable Device, -5 Gather Information, +1 Knowledge (Arcana), +1 Knowledge (Nature), +8 Knowledge (Planes), +1 Knowledge (Religion), +1 Listen, +3 Ride, -5 Search, +1 Sense Motive, +6 Spellcraft, +1 Spot
    [X] remaining Minor Actions recap/reports:
    -[X] Delegated Actions (short reports):
    --[X] You have received reports of Inquisition on the creatures you once encountered beneath the King's Landing. While your Empire is fairly progressive towards the non-humans, same most assuredly can't be said of Westeros as it is now - sooner or later, something will happen, either they'll be discovered and rooted out, or some corruption may get to them, those forced to hide away from the rest of the world in fear.
    ---[X] Have our people visit the Rat-folk beneath the King's Landing, try to convince them to move cities - Sorcerer's Deep will freely offer them a safe haven if they agree to become your subjects. Have the offer include sending some emissaries into our cities so that they could see the places for themselves.
    --[X] Look for a way for Viserys to contact the "exiles" of Faceless Men under the false persona of Liu of Qarth - under the pretenses of relaying to them the research of the tablet that "he" completed.
    --[X] Have Dany use her Half-Celestial form's Hallow SLA with the Tongues spell attached to blanket the area where our normal SD MirrorVision broadcasts and performances originate from, ensuring that all the recipients understand everything said on the broadcast.
    -[X] Background Actions (an OOC confirmation is enough, but if we are clearing the list...):
    --[X] Have the 20 lbs of Void-touched Jade handed over to Djinn Cryomancers for their research in cleansing Void Corruption - with the full tale we know of it. Preferably, those shouldn't be consumed in the process - but we can live with it if the results would look really promising.
    --[X] Have the Efreeti Wish-slaves, summoned alongside the Devils last month by their True Names, handed over to Shaitan/Djinn officials - perhaps making them into a propaganda move for all of Genie since the practice is as abhorrent to all of them.
    --[X] Have school-temples of Zathir opened in Opaline Vault, Armun Kelisk, and Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
    --[X] Open a temple of Yss in Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
    --[X] Have Bloodraven!Varys get all of the Dragonbone outside of the Red Keep and into our possession and replaced with fleshforged fakes so that they can't be ritually used against the resurrected dragons.
    --[X] The Faceless Men that left Braavos - and the territory of your Empire - are unlikely to remain civil about practicing their rites with your Empire actively expanding its borders, and leaving them little place to do so. Eventually, they'll have to be dealt with, one way or another.
    ---[X] Have Inquisition cross-reference cases of Assassinations/"peaceful deaths" that match the patterns of Faceless Men, and work even more closely with House of Mirrors, the Zomok Seer, and even the Divination-capable Companions on free time, if needs be, to find such events outside the Empire's borders.
    --[X] Meet with the Candlekeep Courtier, hash out what he needs for him and his Fey to be more effective at the task we put him on - we are talking gear, we are talking consumables, we are talking potential House of Mirrors support.
 
I'd be interested in reading them. Got any search keyword suggestions? Links?

After a quick search I couldn't find any. There used to be one in the D&D wiki, explaining how basically everything that a wish can make, and by that I mean, anything below 25.000 gp, is worthless, and the true currency becomes magical items worth more than that minimum, and how important XP becomes if it can be traded somehow, like with souls.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Apr 17, 2020 at 12:34 PM, finished with 60 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] Meet with the Sealord and tour through the former Drowned Town, now the new Imperial Quarter of Braavos, first walking about to take in the sights under glamours.
    -[X] A bit later, discuss what it would take to open a branch of the Scholarum in Braavos and in Pentos.
    --[X] Afterwards, meet up with General Gerold and Ser Aubert and host the first official meeting of Imperial High Command through the Gemstone Table, allowing for the first time the entirety of the senior officers to meet together at the same time through the magic of the high fidelity arrays emanating from their Anchors, allowing seamless long-distance face-to-face discussion and visual displays either of maps, terrain or intelligence.
    --[X] You will go over the military occupation of Pentos and how well enforcement of martial law is going there, as well as future or imminent military deployments.
    [X] Denys Level-up
    -[X] +1 Alchemist
    --[X] Skills: +1 Alchemy, +1 Diplomacy, -5 Disable Device, -5 Gather Information, +1 Knowledge (Arcana), +1 Knowledge (Nature), +8 Knowledge (Planes), +1 Knowledge (Religion), +1 Listen, +3 Ride, -5 Search, +1 Sense Motive, +6 Spellcraft, +1 Spot
    [X] remaining Minor Actions recap/reports:
    -[X] Delegated Actions (short reports):
    --[X] You have received reports of Inquisition on the creatures you once encountered beneath the King's Landing. While your Empire is fairly progressive towards the non-humans, same most assuredly can't be said of Westeros as it is now - sooner or later, something will happen, either they'll be discovered and rooted out, or some corruption may get to them, those forced to hide away from the rest of the world in fear.
    ---[X] Have our people visit the Rat-folk beneath the King's Landing, try to convince them to move cities - Sorcerer's Deep will freely offer them a safe haven if they agree to become your subjects. Have the offer include sending some emissaries into our cities so that they could see the places for themselves.
    --[X] Look for a way for Viserys to contact the "exiles" of Faceless Men under the false persona of Liu of Qarth - under the pretenses of relaying to them the research of the tablet that "he" completed.
    --[X] Have Dany use her Half-Celestial form's Hallow SLA with the Tongues spell attached to blanket the area where our normal SD MirrorVision broadcasts and performances originate from, ensuring that all the recipients understand everything said on the broadcast.
    -[X] Background Actions (an OOC confirmation is enough, but if we are clearing the list...):
    --[X] Have the 20 lbs of Void-touched Jade handed over to Djinn Cryomancers for their research in cleansing Void Corruption - with the full tale we know of it. Preferably, those shouldn't be consumed in the process - but we can live with it if the results would look really promising.
    --[X] Have the Efreeti Wish-slaves, summoned alongside the Devils last month by their True Names, handed over to Shaitan/Djinn officials - perhaps making them into a propaganda move for all of Genie since the practice is as abhorrent to all of them.
    --[X] Have school-temples of Zathir opened in Opaline Vault, Armun Kelisk, and Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
    --[X] Open a temple of Yss in Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
    --[X] Have Bloodraven!Varys get all of the Dragonbone outside of the Red Keep and into our possession and replaced with fleshforged fakes so that they can't be ritually used against the resurrected dragons.
    --[X] The Faceless Men that left Braavos - and the territory of your Empire - are unlikely to remain civil about practicing their rites with your Empire actively expanding its borders, and leaving them little place to do so. Eventually, they'll have to be dealt with, one way or another.
    ---[X] Have Inquisition cross-reference cases of Assassinations/"peaceful deaths" that match the patterns of Faceless Men, and work even more closely with House of Mirrors, the Zomok Seer, and even the Divination-capable Companions on free time, if needs be, to find such events outside the Empire's borders.
    --[X] Meet with the Candlekeep Courtier, hash out what he needs for him and his Fey to be more effective at the task we put him on - we are talking gear, we are talking consumables, we are talking potential House of Mirrors support.
 
Interlude DCCLXIV: Where Waters Part
Where Waters Part

Thirty-First Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

Ferrengo Antaryon, Sealord of Braavos though no longer sole captain of its fate, looked out over what had once been Drowned Town with what he thought was pardonable pride. He had not been the one who had been principally responsible for the project. It had been the ambition of so many of his predecessors, always counted too costly, too time consuming, ultimately pointless in the face of renewed flooding and erosion, but in a world of magic many things were possible as the young man walking by his side proved only too well. "I'm glad we were able to preserve some of the towers," he said, motioning to one pale limestone spire cunningly integrated into the neo-Valyrian architecture that was steadily beginning to be identified as 'imperial', though said empire had not yet been proclaimed. "It gives a better impression of the Empire and Braavos growing together rather than the former overtaking the other."

The young king smiled softly at the sight. "Ser Richard swore his oath to me there, Serenity, back when I had scarce more than three dragons to my name."

"Well you certainly have more than three dragons now," Ferrengo jested, remembering the sight of dragons long dead restored to life and bound to serve, and that did not even account for those of the Elder Kindred of which King Viserys both was and was not. He had tried to get a mage to explain that to him once and it was every bit as productive as asking an architect to explain domes, arches and flying buttresses. Any man could appreciate the beauty of say a stately courthouse like the one they were ambling towards, but when one started breaking down the hows and whys of is elegant contours things became more of a headache than they were worth. Rather like seeing a dragon in flight I imagine.

Noticing the king tip his head in askance at his smile Ferrengo explained. "I was just considering the similarities between yourself and the courthouse before us, and then I thought to myself whether any of the poets in your court would care to write about it. They had certainly compared you to more improbable things."

This time King Viserys laughed aloud, the smile beneath the glamour briefly only of a boy not quite eight and ten, though the mask beneath the mask settled back so quickly the Sealord almost wondered if it had been there at all. "Please Serenity, have mercy, there will be enough verses of dubious quality invoked in the coming days, no need to help them along."

"As you command, Your Grace," the Lord of Braavos replied, the Westerosi courtesy as easy upon his lips as the slightly jocular tone. He knew himself well enough to be aware that he was not usually this lighthearted with those outside the closest bonds of kith and kin, but one could hardly fault one's overlord for putting one at ease. It was rather like having a fine wine with dinner, only without the lingering pangs of headache in the morning, which come to think of it were the norm these days thanks to alchemy. "Still, dubious verses aside it is culture that elevates us from simply surviving day by day to truly living, so I have added small Braavos polish to the new quarter."

"The Serene Academy of Fine Arts?" The words were barely a question, he would have known about it of course, though not perhaps the details.

"Yes, there shall be a grand opening as part of the Empire Day celebrations here in Braavos. Artists from across Essos and even as far off as Yi Ti have been persuaded to join."

"Yi Ti?" he definitely had not known that one, probably because whatever inquisitors were with the fleet did not think it important enough to share in reports to the throne.

"Translocation is convenient, and it will help to show that even in such a successful trade voyage we Braavosi have interests beyond 'making marks breed'."

"No one of good sense believes that foolishness, Serenity," the king assured him smoothly.

"Of course not, but there are a great many people out there without the sense the Moon has and being part of a single Empire it will serve the Secret City better to be known for more than the sharpness of its traders and the strength of its fleets." Particularly since the latter is not going to be worth a damn soon, he thought but did not need to say aloud. He had been aboard the Duskrunner yesterday and understood all too well that the age of wooden ships floating atop the waves was well and truly ending.

"Speaking of new institutions, I have been considering a new Scholarum branch here and in Pentos," King Viserys said.

"Who do you have in mind to head them?" Ferrengo asked. The headmaster of the Scholarum would be an important influence in the city and one he wished to learn more of sooner rather than later.

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: The Sealord is always fun to write because he is one of the few non-Companions who sees Viserys as a person beyond all else.
 
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Alas, Lady Alysande Redsail is in charge of the Silver Eye and has neither the time nor the desire to run the Braavosi Scholarum Branch.
 
Particularly since the latter is not going to be worth a damn soon, he thought but did not need to say aloud. He had been aboard the Duskrunner yesterday and understood all too well that the age of wooden ships floating atop the waves was well and truly setting.
While militarily this is fairly true, in terms of macro-economics not so much. Merchants will be using wooden sailing ships until steam power replaces them, and those steam ships will still probably be sea vessels strictly speaking.

That's privatized shipping though, Viserys could always kneecap the private shipping industry by making it a state controlled industry but it might not encourage innovation.
 
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