This isn't some cargo-cult process where you just cram organs into someone and hope for the best
Thread's general (and rightful) perception of Fleshcrafters before looting Qyburn and Elaheh:


That time's arguments would've been true still if we didn't have, like, 3 dedicated Flesh-Crafter lead Researchers and a relic of Valyrian age that specialized on dragon-crafting.
Back then we would've been restricted to Vee and Lya working on the people, really.

With the current rates of production, and the CRs of creatures we casually slap together on a whim, there really isn't much to that argument remaining.
 
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Thread's general (and rightful) perception of Fleshcrafters before looting Qyburn and Elaheh:


That time's arguments would've been true still if we didn't have, like, 3 dedicated Flesh-Crafter lead Researchers and a relic of Valyrian age that specialized on dragon-crafting.
Back then we would've been restricted to Vee and Lya, really.

With the current rates of production, and the CRs of creatures we casually slap together on a whim, there really isn't much to that argument remaining.
To be fair, Qyburn and Elaheh just have high INT scores. Neither of the two is at risk of being mistaken for a well-adjusted human being.
 
Interlude DCCLXIII: Old Lore, New Craft
Old Lore, New Craft

Thirty-First Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

Given all that had changed in the world while he lay dreaming in Essaria and all that now hinged upon his efforts it was not often that Malarys Vanor had the time to reflect upon how much this new world changed him. There was of course the obvious; no longer being a priest of Balerion, no longer a mage of lost Essaria where only the monkey-folk birthed of his dreams and those of his fellows dwelt, but also subtler and more enduring than what he was, the titles he bore was how he acted and whose company he chose to keep.

Once he had been a keeper of the Crimson Code and in some small measure an inquisitor guardian of those sorceries the Lords Freeholder and the gods themselves deemed too perilous to invoke, though rare had been the day when he had to hunt such heretics himself. Now he was Lord High Justice of a realm still bloody from its birthing and he had the heretics over for tea... well one of them at least. While he could probably endure hosting the kyton, assuming she had a mind to exercise tact on how she practiced her craft upon her own flesh that day and he could understand the worth of both the tangled serpent and the old death-spinner, there was only one among their number he would voluntarily associate with on a weekly basis.

Saenena Caleris swept into the chamber with all the poise her blood begat, all the confidence of a life hard-lived, but he knew her well enough to read the slight stiffness in her posture, the way her eyes were a touch too fixed forward, compensating for a headache he suspected. Under other circumstances he would have offered to heal it, but he knew from experience that such aches contacted within or near the Forge of Gogossos were beyond the power of his magic to heal, for they were not ailments of the flesh, but the unavoidable consequence of a soul being so near the resonance of the thousand thousand voices that made up the gods of the Sunset Lands in a facility meant to amplify empathic connections, the better to grow some of its more delicate subjects. At least the forge's current project was unlikely to cause grumbling from the dreaming spirits, unlike the raising of corpses that had never lived.

As though reading his mind the lady sniffed. "For all its useful qualities the God-Mind can be frightfully slow in adopting a new concept rather than merely refining the old."

"Trees do have a habit of doing so," Malarys replied, allowing himself a faint smile. "What novel concept vexes them so?"

"The adamantine bonding. The metal is not native outside of falling stars and it was not common in the works of the flesh-smiths either, being both uncommon and somewhat looked down upon them to include any metal in one's creations."

The former priest shook his head, startled by such a fundamental oversight, but the cultural norms of long dead flesh-smiths were not his concern. "What of the organ augmentations? I would imagine those would be novel to the forge if for another reason." The very idea of the flesh-smiths building an army such as the praetorians promised to be would have likely sent the whole Assembly of the Forty into a cold sweat.

"Heart and lung growth continues to be their greatest stumbling block, but I have confidence that another moonturn will see them playing a functioning augmentation before the King. One cannot fault any of them lack of competence in their craft."

Project Praetorian Progress 22/40

What next?

[] Interlude
-[] Write in

[] Back to Viserys
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: I did not think I could even come close to @Azel's forge omakes in terms of quality showing the interactions there, so I'm using Malarys here to get the chance to show a character moment for him too.
 
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Old Lore, New Craft

Thirty-First Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC

Given all that had changed in the world while he lay dreaming in Essaria, and all that now hinged upon his efforts, it was not often that Malarys Vanor had the time to reflect upon how much this new world changed him. There was of course the obvious, no longer a priest of Balerion, no longer a mage of lost Essaria where only the monkey-folk birthed of his dreams and those of his fellows dwelt, but subtler and more enduring than what he was and the titles he bore was how he acted and whose company he chose to keep.

Once he had been a keeper of the Crimson Code, and in some small measure an inquisitor, guardian of those sorceries the Lords Freeholder and the gods themselves deemed too perilous to invoke, though rare had been the day when he had to hunt such heretics himself. Now he was Lord High Justice of a realm still bloody from its birthing and he had the heretics over for tea... well one of them at least. While he could probably endure hosting the kyton, assuming she had a mind to exercise tact like she practiced her craft upon her own flesh that day, and he could understand the worth of both the tangled serpent and the old death-spinner, there was only one among their number he would voluntarily associate with on a weekly basis.

Saenena Caleris swept into the chamber with all the poise her blood begat, all the confidence of a life hard-lived, but he knew her well enough to read the slight stiffness in her posture, the way her eyes were a touch too fixed forward, compensating for a headache, he suspected. Under other circumstances he would have offered to heal it, but he knew from experience that such aches contracted within or near the Forge of Gogossos were beyond the power of his magic to heal, for they were not ailments of the flesh, but the unavoidable consequence of a soul being so near the resonance of the thousand, thousand voices that made up the gods of the Sunset Lands in a facility meant to amplify empathic connections, the better to grow some of its more delicate subjects. At least the forge's current project was unlikely to cause grumbling from the dreaming spirits, unlike the raising of corpses that had never lived.

As though reading his mind, the lady sniffed. "For all its useful qualities, the God-Mind can be frightfully slow in adopting a new concept rather than merely refining the old."

"Trees do have a habit of doing so," Malarys replied, allowing himself a faint smile. "What novel concept vexes them so?"

"The Adamantine bonding, the metal is not native to his world outside of falling stars, and it was not common in the works of the flesh-smiths either, being both rare and somewhat looked down upon them to include any metal in one's creations."

The former priest shook his head, startled by such a fundamental oversight, but the cultural norms of long dead flesh-smiths were not his concern. "What of the organ augmentations. I would imagine those would be novel to the forge if for another reason." The very idea of the flesh-smiths building an army, such as the praetorians promised to be, would have likely sent the whole Assembly of the Forty into a cold sweat.

"Heart and lung growth continues to be their greatest stumbling block, but I have confidence that another moonturn will see them displaying a functioning augmentation before the king. One cannot fault any of them for lack of competence in their craft."

Project Praetorian Progress 22/40

What next?

[] Interlude
-[] Write in

[] Back to Viserys
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: I did not think I could even come close to @Azel's forge omakes in terms of quality showing the interactions there, so I'm using Malarys here to get the chance to show a character moment for him too. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter.

Nice progress on the Praetorian project. One more month should see it complete and ready for implementation.
 
I say, let's finish with MAs, then we'll go to RAs.

[X] remaining Minor Actions recap/reports:
-[X] Delegated Actions (short reports):
--[X] You have received reports of Inquisition on the creatures you once encountered beneath the King's Landing. While your Empire is fairly progressive towards the non-humans, same most assuredly can't be said of Westeros as it is now - sooner or later, something will happen, either they'll be discovered and rooted out, or some corruption may get to them, those forced to hide away from the rest of the world in fear.
---[X] Have our people visit the Rat-folk beneath the King's Landing, try to convince them to move cities - Sorcerer's Deep will freely offer them a safe haven if they agree to become your subjects. Have the offer include sending some emissaries into our cities so that they could see the places for themselves.
--[X]
Look for a way for Viserys to contact the "exiles" of Faceless Men under the false persona of Liu of Qarth - under the pretenses of relaying to them the research of the tablet that "he" completed.
--[X] Have Dany use her Half-Celestial form's Hallow SLA with the Tongues spell attached to blanket the area where our normal SD MirrorVision broadcasts and performances originate from, ensuring that all the recipients understand everything said on the broadcast.

-[X] Background Actions (an OOC confirmation is enough, but if we are clearing the list...):
--[X] Have the 20 lbs of Void-touched Jade handed over to Djinn Cryomancers for their research in cleansing Void Corruption - with the full tale we know of it. Preferably, those shouldn't be consumed in the process - but we can live with it if the results would look really promising.
--[X] Have the Efreeti Wish-slaves, summoned alongside the Devils last month by their True Names, handed over to Shaitan/Djinn officials - perhaps making them into a propaganda move for all of Genie since the practice is as abhorrent to all of them.
--[X] Have school-temples of Zathir opened in Opaline Vault, Armun Kelisk, and Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
--[X] Open a temple of Yss in Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
--[X] Have Bloodraven!Varys get all of the Dragonbone outside of the Red Keep and into our possession and replaced with fleshforged fakes so that they can't be ritually used against the resurrected dragons.
--[X] The Faceless Men that left Braavos - and the territory of your Empire - are unlikely to remain civil about practicing their rites with your Empire actively expanding its borders, and leaving them little place to do so. Eventually, they'll have to be dealt with, one way or another.
---[X] Have Inquisition cross-reference cases of Assassinations/"peaceful deaths" that match the patterns of Faceless Men, and work even more closely with House of Mirrors, the Zomok Seer, and even the Divination-capable Companions on free time, if needs be, to find such events outside the Empire's borders.
--[X] Meet with the Candlekeep Courtier, hash out what he needs for him and his Fey to be more effective at the task we put him on - we are talking gear, we are talking consumables, we are talking potential House of Mirrors support.
 
Eh. I'd rather make a full Praetorian Legion then produce people we can just recruit in Fire.
I definitely prefer a Praetorian Legion if it comes down to it. I was mainly asking about the possibility of making giants for the purposes of a select few elite minions. For example, some souped-up Fire Giants could be some excellent tanks in the future especially given all our various prospects in the Plane of Fire. Especially since they'd start out Young, so we'd have 6 CR roughly to play with for the purpose of templates.

That being said I won't complain if we don't go this route and just focus on recruiting normal ones instead. We can just beat PC levels into them to make them more useful. Hopefully Amrelath has been telling his Fire Giant minions to train.
 
[X] Receive a report (interlude)
-[X] 12th Month Scholarium Report - Teana POV
 
I definitely prefer a Praetorian Legion if it comes down to it. I was mainly asking about the possibility of making giants for the purposes of a select few elite minions. For example, some souped-up Fire Giants could be some excellent tanks in the future especially given all our various prospects in the Plane of Fire. Especially since they'd start out Young, so we'd have 6 CR roughly to play with for the purpose of templates.

That being said I won't complain if we don't go this route and just focus on recruiting normal ones instead. We can just beat PC levels into them to make them more useful. Hopefully Amrelath has been telling his Fire Giant minions to train.

They start out as literal babies needing decades to grow up. You guys can accelerate physical maturation easily enough bit mental is more of a challenge.
 
Could we instead make them mindless fleshbots like the Seeker? Alternatively, make them fully mindless and have a Mold pilot them.
I would rather just finish the work on creating actual baby-free Seekers, augmented Praetorian Humans, etc., rather than growing soulless Fire Giants.

Necrotic Mold already work really well for piloting our mindless Undead servitors.
 
I would rather just finish the work on creating actual baby-free Seekers, augmented Praetorian Humans, etc., rather than growing soulless Fire Giants.

Necrotic Mold already work really well for piloting our mindless Undead servitors.
Same here, but I'm never one to pass up a chance to sin against nature a bit more. And Qyburn could always do with the materials and experience from doing such projects...
 
They start out as literal babies needing decades to grow up. You guys can accelerate physical maturation easily enough bit mental is more of a challenge.
I know. I am playing the long game. We're not going to stop needing excellent minions several decades down the line. By then, assuming the babies grow up in the Imperium and are nurtured by the government programs to become healthy prosperous loyal citizens, would hopefully be open to proper recruitment.

On a side note, DP, where can we look to find the Fighter Creature, Rogue Creature, Monk Creature, Paladin Creature, and Ranger Creature templates? We've already got Sorcerer Creature, Wizard Creature, Druid Creature, and Cleric Creature.
I would rather just finish the work on creating actual baby-free Seekers, augmented Praetorian Humans, etc., rather than growing soulless Fire Giants.

Necrotic Mold already work really well for piloting our mindless Undead servitors.
If we can make mindless Fire Giants there's no reason not to allow the Necrotic Molds to pilot those as well. Might as well give them variety of meat suits.
 
[X] Meet with the Sealord and tour through the former Drowned Town, now the new Imperial Quarter of Braavos, first walking about to take in the sights under glamours.
-[X] A bit later, discuss what it would take to open a branch of the Scholarum in Braavos and in Pentos.
--[X] Afterwards, meet up with General Gerold and Ser Aubert and host the first official meeting of Imperial High Command through the Gemstone Table, allowing for the first time the entirety of the senior officers to meet together at the same time through the magic of high fidelity arrays of their Anchors, allowing seamless discussion and visual displays either of maps, terrain or intelligence.
--[X] You will go over the military occupation of Pentos and how well enforcement of martial law is going there, as well as future or imminent military deployments.
 
[X] Crake

@Crake, that's right, I forgot about our renovation of Drowned Town. It should be completed this month, right?
 
Okay, serious talk.
Does anyone care about seeing any of these on-screen?
[X] remaining Minor Actions recap/reports:
-[X] Delegated Actions (short reports):
--[X] You have received reports of Inquisition on the creatures you once encountered beneath the King's Landing. While your Empire is fairly progressive towards the non-humans, same most assuredly can't be said of Westeros as it is now - sooner or later, something will happen, either they'll be discovered and rooted out, or some corruption may get to them, those forced to hide away from the rest of the world in fear.
---[X] Have our people visit the Rat-folk beneath the King's Landing, try to convince them to move cities - Sorcerer's Deep will freely offer them a safe haven if they agree to become your subjects. Have the offer include sending some emissaries into our cities so that they could see the places for themselves.
--[X]
Look for a way for Viserys to contact the "exiles" of Faceless Men under the false persona of Liu of Qarth - under the pretenses of relaying to them the research of the tablet that "he" completed.
--[X] Have Dany use her Half-Celestial form's Hallow SLA with the Tongues spell attached to blanket the area where our normal SD MirrorVision broadcasts and performances originate from, ensuring that all the recipients understand everything said on the broadcast.

-[X] Background Actions (an OOC confirmation is enough, but if we are clearing the list...):
--[X] Have the 20 lbs of Void-touched Jade handed over to Djinn Cryomancers for their research in cleansing Void Corruption - with the full tale we know of it. Preferably, those shouldn't be consumed in the process - but we can live with it if the results would look really promising.
--[X] Have the Efreeti Wish-slaves, summoned alongside the Devils last month by their True Names, handed over to Shaitan/Djinn officials - perhaps making them into a propaganda move for all of Genie since the practice is as abhorrent to all of them.
--[X] Have school-temples of Zathir opened in Opaline Vault, Armun Kelisk, and Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
--[X] Open a temple of Yss in Vialesk (and Mardja if possible).
--[X] Have Bloodraven!Varys get all of the Dragonbone outside of the Red Keep and into our possession and replaced with fleshforged fakes so that they can't be ritually used against the resurrected dragons.
--[X] The Faceless Men that left Braavos - and the territory of your Empire - are unlikely to remain civil about practicing their rites with your Empire actively expanding its borders, and leaving them little place to do so. Eventually, they'll have to be dealt with, one way or another.
---[X] Have Inquisition cross-reference cases of Assassinations/"peaceful deaths" that match the patterns of Faceless Men, and work even more closely with House of Mirrors, the Zomok Seer, and even the Divination-capable Companions on free time, if needs be, to find such events outside the Empire's borders.
--[X] Meet with the Candlekeep Courtier, hash out what he needs for him and his Fey to be more effective at the task we put him on - we are talking gear, we are talking consumables, we are talking potential House of Mirrors support.
Because I don't.

And it's only because DP tends to go "Must. Show. On. Screen!!!" that I'm bothering voting through.
Does everyone agree to skip these and just have DP confirm/deny the stuff OOC?
Would save us all a lot of time/
 
Okay, serious talk.
Does anyone care about seeing any of these on-screen?

Because I don't.

And it's only because DP tends to go "Must. Show. On. Screen!!!" that I'm bothering voting through.
Does everyone agree to skip these and just have DP confirm/deny the stuff OOC?
Would save us all a lot of time/
Leave it up to DP to decide what to on-screen and what not to.

Some of it is just stuff that "has to be done" but has pretty much next to zero player investment, only the concern that it would be a missed opportunity or come back to bite us if we ignored it.
 
Leave it up to DP to decide what to on-screen and what not to.

Some of it is just stuff that "has to be done" but has pretty much next to zero player investment, only the concern that it would be a missed opportunity or come back to bite us if we ignored it.
I just want to clear out the list so that I don't have to keep track of it. And DP often sometimes forgets about MAs, and we are already at the very end of the month.

That's pretty much it.
 
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