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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Jack vile Ripper said:
And make sure that there are no Corruption on the side Bureaucracy in order to placate their worry.

Say, aside from the Inquisition, are there any method to making sure that the person we entrusts with this project does NOT deliberately delays the procession?

Does Yss or Zathir helps in this regard?
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Internal checks, the lawmen and the Inquisition are in place against corruption. Aided by Divination of course.

So if you are greedy enough to cause suspicion, you better have a Mindblank against the pointed questions asked by the House of Mirrors.

Of course, that triggers a report about an unknown Mindblank having turned up during a routine investigation, so now the Inquisition will ask you questions.
 
Azel said:
Internal checks, the lawmen and the Inquisition are in place against corruption. Aided by Divination of course.

So if you are greedy enough to cause suspicion, you better have a Mindblank against the pointed questions asked by the House of Mirrors.

Of course, that triggers a report about an unknown Mindblank having turned up during a routine investigation, so now the Inquisition will ask you questions.
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Basically, it's not illegal to have Mindblank... but if you're a Government Official, you better hope you registered that bitch. And the level of scrutiny you're under is already commiserate to your role.

Since virtually no one who has Mindblank isn't someone that we haven't personally instated into their position or interact with on a semi-regular basis and thus can vet with our own Sense Motive checks, there's no real good reason for anyone else to have Mind Blank other than "I'm a traitor/saboteur".
 
Crake said:
Basically, it's not illegal to have Mindblank... but if you're a Government Official, you better hope you registered that bitch. And the level of scrutiny you're under is already commiserate to your role.

Since virtually no one who has Mindblank isn't someone that we haven't personally instated into their position or interact with on a semi-regular basis and thus can vet with our own Sense Motive checks, there's no real good reason for anyone else to have Mind Blank other than "I'm a traitor/saboteur".
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The basic question is actually one of prices. A Mindblank clocks in at 40,000 IM, so a random tax clerk having one is decidedly suspicious.

Edit: To put that price into perspective. This is as if a real world tax clerk suddenly came to work in a gold plated Rolls Royce. You would definitely ask some questions about that.
 
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Azel said:
The basic question is actually one of prices. A Mindblank clocks in at 40,000 IM, so a random tax clerk having one is decidedly suspicious.

Edit: To put that price into perspective. This is as if a real world tax clerk suddenly came to work in a gold plated Rolls Royce. You would definitely ask some questions about that.
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Only 24,000 IM to purchase or commission. That's not quite 40,000 IM, but your point stands.

Those in Imperial government who legitimately come into possession of a Mind Blank should maybe be subject to a semi-regular mind probing/truth compulsion session. Nothing too intrusive, but something which uses a few basic questions to determine whether or not shenanigans have been going on shouldn't be too bothersome or offensive. It can be done in a room a warded with a Mind Blank effect so that the person who temporarily surrenders their own won't suddenly light up for Divination purposes.
 
I cannot wait until our first encounter with ASWaH's equivalent of a Sovereign Citizen. Someone who thinks taxation is theft and thinks the Imperium is illegitimate, but nonetheless petitions the Crown to reimburse them for the Mind Blank they burned their entire family's life savings on under the theory that he is entitled to absolute immunity from divination they have not expressly consented to.
 
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Interregnum said:
I cannot wait until our first encounter with ASWaH's equivalent of a Sovereign Citizen. Someone who thinks taxation is theft and thinks the Imperium is illegitimate, but nonetheless petitions the Crown to pay for the Mind Blank he burned his entire family's life savings on under the theory that he is entitled to absolute immunity forms of divination he has not expressly consented to.
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It will take centuries of safe, comfortable and convenient living before these start to crop up. For a few generations people will either be too subservient to the political and financial elite, and afterwards even after they grow more opinionated as they start pushing forward policy changes through weight of numbers/people are more educated, imperial schooling will ensure people are actually aware of their rights, and anyone who tries to claim otherwise will probably be taken to a mental health institution and attended to by a Preceptor Archon.
 
Crake said:
It will take centuries of safe, comfortable and convenient living before these start to crop up. For a few generations people will either be too subservient to the political and financial elite, and afterwards even after they grow more opinionated as they start pushing forward policy changes through weight of numbers/people are more educated, imperial schooling will ensure people are actually aware of their rights, and anyone who tries to claim otherwise will probably be taken to a mental health institution and attended to by a Preceptor Archon.
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It is likely that such a person would pop up within the political and/or financial elite. I imagine the idea of absolute, individual sovereignty would be an appealing fallback to petty nobility that suffered substantial losses to wealth and influence after failing to adapt quickly enough. "You taking away my privilege was unjust because it was inherently and intrinsically my right without any regard to my individual merit as a person," kind of thinking.
 
Interregnum said:
It is likely that such a person would pop up within the political and/or financial elite. I imagine the idea of absolute, individual sovereignty would be an appealing fallback to petty nobility that suffered substantial losses to wealth and influence after failing to adapt quickly enough. "You taking away my privilege was unjust because it was inherently and intrinsically my right without any regard to my individual merit as a person," kind of thinking.
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Society isn't subscribed to, in all but the cases of the hermetic.

Even a hermit is still subject to laws, it is only in the sense that one cannot enforce laws on those who have completely cut themselves off from interactions with society who has also no discernible impact upon that society in order to levy dues or press charges for any infractions made.

Anyone claiming this in reality or in setting is certifiably touched in the head.
 
I dislike the proposal for a "must register yourself to use Mind Blank" rule. Every powerful mage capable of casting the spell will have to register? What about extraplanar merchants who want to product themselves from ambushes while they travel? Foreign envoys? Creatures who naturally have it as an SLA?
These aren't people we want to alienate for no reason, and it's rather unfair to say "you must constantly make yourself vulnerable to invasive divination from this government, despite the fact that doing so also opens you to all other potential spies or [Mind-Affecting] users."
We didn't vote on it, and I'll definitely vote against it if we have to.

Should the police have the right to ask you to remove your Mind Blank for an identity check, or if you're suspected of a crime and they want to investigate? Of course! But that's not the same thing as what @Goldfish was talking about above.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
I dislike the proposal for a "must register yourself to use Mind Blank" rule. Every powerful mage capable of casting the spell will have to register? What about extraplanar merchants who want to product themselves from ambushes while they travel? Foreign envoys? Creatures who naturally have it as an SLA?
These aren't people we want to alienate for no reason, and it's rather unfair to say "you must constantly make yourself vulnerable to invasive divination from this government, despite the fact that doing so also opens you to all other potential spies or [Mind-Affecting] users."
We didn't vote on it, and I'll definitely vote against it if we have to.

Should the police have the right to ask you to remove your Mind Blank for an identity check, or if you're suspected of a crime and they want to investigate? Of course! But that's not the same thing as what @Goldfish was talking about above.
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You equate registration with licensing. I think we have no plans to regulate people who are privately buying Mindblank for their own business, but government officials absolutely should have a good reason to possess one, and should have commiserate levels of scrutiny associated with it by practice, rote and routine.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
I dislike the proposal for a "must register yourself to use Mind Blank" rule. Every powerful mage capable of casting the spell will have to register? What about extraplanar merchants who want to product themselves from ambushes while they travel? Foreign envoys? Creatures who naturally have it as an SLA?
These aren't people we want to alienate for no reason, and it's rather unfair to say "you must constantly make yourself vulnerable to invasive divination from this government, despite the fact that doing so also opens you to all other potential spies or [Mind-Affecting] users."
We didn't vote on it, and I'll definitely vote against it if we have to.

Should the police have the right to ask you to remove your Mind Blank for an identity check, or if you're suspected of a crime and they want to investigate? Of course! But that's not the same thing as what @Goldfish was talking about above.
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Just mentioned checks for government employees as a possibility.

Don't intelligence services around the world regularly use polygraphs on their own agents? Or have TV and literature lied to me again?
 
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Crake said:
You equate registration with licensing. I think we have no plans to regulate people who are privately buying Mindblank for their own business, but government officials absolutely should have a good reason to possess one, and should have commiserate levels of scrutiny associated with it by practice, rote and routine.
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Goldfish said:
Just mentioned checks for government employees as a possibility.

Don't intelligence services around the world regularly use polygraphs on their own agents? Or have TV and literature lied to me again?
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Ah, so the proposal was only for government agents who have a Mind Blank?
That's better. Sorry, I misunderstood.
I mean - I don't think it's very necessary, but if they work for us in very important jobs then they'll have to accept that there is oversight.
 
Of course, we would check unofficially also check business people. After all, selling souls and sacrifices is also business, one we don't want privatized.
 
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