It's 15 yeah, a valid sacrifice.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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It's 15 yeah, a valid sacrifice.
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You joke... but it looks like this needs fanfic needs to be written.
Vote closed.
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I'm inclined to keep Heartwounder for now, as we're more likely to find an Undead to wield it than a proper Evil Paladin of a high enough level to make assigning them the Unholy Avenger worth it. The Unholy Avenger is 18th caster level, too, so using it alone is still overpaying slightly.
Worst case, one of Qyburn's Black Champions can wield Heartwounder to great effect.
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Things are actually tied at the moment, if @masterofmadness' vote is counted with mine, since all the other incidentals of his vote are otherwise identical in mine and @Duesal's.
Crake
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Did you mean Alysanne here?
Also, thanks for the compliment, she was a totally rad person who hasn't worn off her good impression. Apparently Jaehaerys was a dick with good PR. (Maybe, might be different in ASWAH)
Crake
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Servant, after that ominous non-sequitur with absolutely zero explanation: "I don't get paid enough for this shit."
I have a mechanics question about mind control if you guys don't mind the topic.
... I think being stuck in my apartment all week has started to mess with my head. 
The Griefgall I posted earlier is allowed to dominate hosts through things like protection from evil. The process it uses is based on physically infesting the nervous system, which implies to me that it's bypass comes from the physical mechanism of action. The ability is an Su though, so I'm not sure where it falls on the magic vs. weird bullshit scale.
It's also referred to as a psychic parasite, but Psionic isn't mentioned anywhere on the page. I'm not really clear on what (if any) difference there is between those. I'd assume that psychic just refers to mind magic while Psionic refers to the distinct paradigm of power aberrations use, but the terms are also used interchangeably in some places. This aspect could play into it, but nothing in the text of the ability actually states that it uses psychic/Psionic supports for infesting targets.
So what part of this allows it to pierce magical protections from mind control? If it's specifically that it's using a nonmagical medium, then it could have some interesting implications.
The Bloodsuckle, for example, has the ability to subject creatures to a permanent dominate monster effect by injecting them with a poisonous sap.
That ability is Ex, so it's completely nonmagical, even though it literally describes the control as "like dominate monster". It's effect isn't listed as capable of bypassing protection spells, but if PfE has loopholes around certain purely physical vectors then it might be possible to develop something from it that does.
So is that line of thought correct, or do griefgalls just have their own brand of bullshit that doesn't have a broader implication?
It's also referred to as a psychic parasite, but Psionic isn't mentioned anywhere on the page. I'm not really clear on what (if any) difference there is between those. I'd assume that psychic just refers to mind magic while Psionic refers to the distinct paradigm of power aberrations use, but the terms are also used interchangeably in some places. This aspect could play into it, but nothing in the text of the ability actually states that it uses psychic/Psionic supports for infesting targets.
So what part of this allows it to pierce magical protections from mind control? If it's specifically that it's using a nonmagical medium, then it could have some interesting implications.
The Bloodsuckle, for example, has the ability to subject creatures to a permanent dominate monster effect by injecting them with a poisonous sap.
That ability is Ex, so it's completely nonmagical, even though it literally describes the control as "like dominate monster". It's effect isn't listed as capable of bypassing protection spells, but if PfE has loopholes around certain purely physical vectors then it might be possible to develop something from it that does.
So is that line of thought correct, or do griefgalls just have their own brand of bullshit that doesn't have a broader implication?
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Part MMMCDIII: Kindled Grace
Kindled Grace
Twenty First Day of the Twelfth Month 293 AC
At the word 'wither' your blood turns cold. You could not say for certain what such a desecration of a Heart Tree would mean to the Old Gods, but the implication of being seen to bring such harm to a Godswood are terrible enough. And then there is the fate of the unborn and his mother.
No, you will not allow the hand of Winter to reach this far. Your cloak flares behind you, the gold rippling and twisting as it disgorges a full score of giant blades onto the roots of the tree. "Stand back!" you call, trusting Waymar and Tyene to hold the lord to the warning even with what you are about to do next.
Allowing your flesh to change to something between man and wyrm you breathe in the cold night air and breathe out fire, not as hot as you can make it, but hot enough. Brighter than the forges in which the steel was wrought with slaves' blood and sacrifices' toil, hotter than the waves of the Sea of Fire upon which they had been taken. The metal melts and bubbles while Heart Tree stands tall and unblemished.
The leaves grow brighter, rustling as one with the crackling fire and in that sound the echoes of a thousand thousand voices, whispers woven one upon the other until a great shout arises to echo upon the peaks of the Red Mountains and into the passes where so few armies crossed. "Begone!"
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Jeyne staggers before catching herself at the last moment, one hand hovering protectively over her midsection, but her expression is not one of shock or fear like her father's. Instead it is one of wonderment: "I can hear his heartbeat, it's like he's singing, like something you would hear in a dream."
"That is the True Tongue of the Singers, whom the First Men called the Children of the Forest," Waymar explains softly. Soft Strider had not wished to travel to Skyreach, too busy with the doings of her own kin growing and changing after so many years of slow decline, but it was clear that the first of those who stepped into the Green Dream had laid their own blessing upon the moment and the child, not just to spite their ancient enemy, but as a kindly gift to one yet unborn.
"Strength, wit and charm as you have asked, Your Grace, but also good fortune for the boy. May he use the gifts wisely," Bloodraven's voice holds no small measure of amusement in the knowledge that no child would ever be wise from the start, much less one so young.
"Did anything of the Enemy's poisoned gifts remain?" you ask, thinking of Rina and of what you might have to explain to the child's parents.
"Nothing, with the Heart Tree in peril it was wisest to drown out their power rather than trying to shape it anew," the Last Greenseer replies.
"The child will indeed be blessed, whatever the path he should walk in life," you reply to Lady Fowler. Before you can say more on the matter her father interjects, demanding to know what you had done to the Heart Tree.
"Not just this Heart Tree, all of them across Westeros and Essos both, common fire cannot burn them now, by old lore and the insights of one among my companions who is closest to the Old Gods," you explain, keeping Vee's name silent to spare yourself having to explain that she neither has any title nor desires one.
"The Old Gods recall the burning of Godswoods you see," Tyene explains with a sharp smile. "It will not be that easy again."
For a long moment the Lord of Skyreach is silent. Then looking to the north across the Prince's Pass he says, "Alas that the greater perils of the world are born of ice, not fire." He reaches out to take his daughter's hand as though to assure himself that she is still here.
Who do you speak to next?
[] Lord Dayne to capitalize upon recent events to sway him
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[] The particulars, to judge for yourself just what Dornish traditions they value above prosperity and peace and sway them if you can
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OOC: No power was stolen from the Others this time, but they did get metaphysically slapped away.
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Griefgalls aren't actually using mind control on their hosts, it just mimics the mechanical effect. Instead, they directly hijack the host's nervous system by bypassing the brain and spinal column. Effectively, the victim is trapped in their remotely controlled body, though a Spellcaster with the right feats could still probably use their magic.I have a mechanics question about mind control if you guys don't mind the topic.
... I think being stuck in my apartment all week has started to mess with my head.The Griefgall I posted earlier is allowed to dominate hosts through things like protection from evil. The process it uses is based on physically infesting the nervous system, which implies to me that it's bypass comes from the physical mechanism of action. The ability is an Su though, so I'm not sure where it falls on the magic vs. weird bullshit scale.
It's also referred to as a psychic parasite, but Psionic isn't mentioned anywhere on the page. I'm not really clear on what (if any) difference there is between those. I'd assume that psychic just refers to mind magic while Psionic refers to the distinct paradigm of power aberrations use, but the terms are also used interchangeably in some places. This aspect could play into it, but nothing in the text of the ability actually states that it uses psychic/Psionic supports for infesting targets.
So what part of this allows it to pierce magical protections from mind control? If it's specifically that it's using a nonmagical medium, then it could have some interesting implications.
The Bloodsuckle, for example, has the ability to subject creatures to a permanent dominate monster effect by injecting them with a poisonous sap.
That ability is Ex, so it's completely nonmagical, even though it literally describes the control as "like dominate monster". It's effect isn't listed as capable of bypassing protection spells, but if PfE has loopholes around certain purely physical vectors then it might be possible to develop something from it that does.
So is that line of thought correct, or do griefgalls just have their own brand of bullshit that doesn't have a broader implication?
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Say it with me now. Child of Destiny. This kid is gonna be amazing. I shall look very closely at your future young child.
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The next Sword of the Morning will be a true force of nature, one nurtured by the Imperium.
Imagine him learning at the feet of Ser Richard himself.
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Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
Crake
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[X] Speak with Lord Dayne alongside your goodbrother. You need him to understand that there is a place for moderates, as after all if you can find a way to attempt forging a peace between someone you hold in far more contempt for the mess he's made of 'justice' and yourself, another who doesn't appear so mulishly inclined to preach virtue with one hand while abstaining from rationality with the other will be far less difficult to compromise with.
-[X] Most importantly he will help split the Particularists between the moderates who can abide some of the changes you will work and will learn to live with the rest, and those who you fail to convince of the benefits to your rule.
-[X] Prince Doran knows Dorne better than most so he can probably share some insight on how to deal with the rest of the Lords causing him problems.
-[X] Have Dany share the insights she's gathered so far on them during the meeting.
-[X] Most importantly he will help split the Particularists between the moderates who can abide some of the changes you will work and will learn to live with the rest, and those who you fail to convince of the benefits to your rule.
-[X] Prince Doran knows Dorne better than most so he can probably share some insight on how to deal with the rest of the Lords causing him problems.
-[X] Have Dany share the insights she's gathered so far on them during the meeting.
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Jesus christ I remember that template...my DM let us start play with templates once and he flat banned that as too strong, and with good reason.
If that's the case, then it implies that things like PfE's "immunity to new attempts to possess or exercise mental control over the target" is explicitly against magic and magic like effects,
as opposed to acting like protection from energy and blocking the result rather than a mechanism.
That opens all kinds of research, starting with the bloodsuckle vector I brought up. We might not want to pursue it ourselves, but given how many mind magic spells are easily blocked by Protection from Alignment spells I'd be surprised if someone else hasn't already noted this and worked something out.
The illithid at the very least have had the means and motive to try this for a long time.
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I wouldn't say Fortune-Blessed is too strong. It's quite nice, actually, with some neat effects that can give a creature a good solid edge without piling on a lot of SLAs or abilities. Jeyne's kid is going to get a really nice boost from the Advanced and Fortune-Blessed templates, but he'll have a bit of difficulty gaining class levels due to a +2 CR worth of level adjustments. Worth it, IMO, so long as he's a martial class of some sort.
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Don't forget the eight that were spent right before this.
On that note the Larder is similarly updated.
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Crake
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Yeah, but OTOH, you can train up to 5-6 depending on your entry class and he should not have trouble with maxing out from childhood onwards that way and then finding a suitable CR 7-8 challenge.
That's true, but one of those creatures is just burrowing into meat and playing with nerve signals, and the other is using chemistry to all but permanently alter the mind. The first is right up their alley and the second is at least in the neighborhood of their flesh craft. I wouldn't count them out yet.
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