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And here is the crux of the matter. She did attack her sister. Repeatedly. With malicious forethought.
You are somehow trying to turn the mindrapist into the victim of this story.
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You are somehow trying to turn the mindrapist into the victim of this story.
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Bruh, her older sister is the victim of a crime. She lost her inheritance and briefly, her own will because of it. Why shouldn't she be compensated/returned her property? Because the perpetrator wasn't happy with her victim?
Also, wait. Was the sister being abused by her family? I didn't quite catch that in the reading.
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[X] Azel
Let her burn in mother Valyria for all I care.
Let her burn in mother Valyria for all I care.
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Her mother seems not pleasant overall and especially not to the younger sister.
Still though. If the heiress managed to run away from home, so could have the second in line. Heck, her plan could only work if that is the case, so we can prove that she was aware of another way to "escape her dreadful torment".
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Yeah, her intent to harm was really high here. There were plenty of options to escape, she instead choose the option that most profited her and hurt her family.
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This is extremely lenient. The last person who did this had her entire body changed and is currently under Imperial supervision. The fact that only the latter is happening for a much greater crime is mostly due to luck and politics.
Edit: There were mitigating circumstances in the last situation. Yes I am aware of it.
This is extremely lenient. The last person who did this had her entire body changed and is currently under Imperial supervision. The fact that only the latter is happening for a much greater crime is mostly due to luck and politics.
Edit: There were mitigating circumstances in the last situation. Yes I am aware of it.
Just to be clear the level of fear Teora is exhibiting is more in line with having experienced abuse and her fear of both her mother and sister should her crimes be revealed seems sincere to Viserys (and is quite good at reading people). That said she did react to said abuse by enacting some of her own (subtler but more profound).
tarrangar
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I'm saying they're both victims, the older sister might be the more wronged party, but they both wronged each other, which I consider mitigating circumstances, which is why I think a good solution, is to not punish either of them, the older sister get her inheritance back, the younger sister get away from her abusive family, and get accepted into a prestigious magic academy.
I just don't see why she need to be send to Draconys, SD has better facilities, and she's very unlikely to do anything like this again.
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While in this particular case you're probably correct, I disagree with the quoted sentence on principle. Surely there are situations in which what must be done requires planning and is also illegal?
I'm not even talking about political terrorism or anything fun like that - what about kidnapping or abuse victims who commit theft (or sometimes literal kid-napping) as part of their escape? Or do those things not count as crimes in such situations?
#nitpick
But yeah, while we don't have all the details here (or at least I don't remember getting them - did we ever learn the younger sister's motivation?) I seriously doubt the younger sister's crime has that sort of excuse. No matter how bad it was, once she got that mage in her pocket she had the option of running away or contacting her father's liege (if whatever bad thing was really bad) or something.
@Azel, you plan doesn't say if we tell the older sister that she was enchanted. I presume that means we don't?
Furthermore, I'm unhappy with your plan because it feels like we're rewarding her with magical tutoring. It neatly solves the problem, sure, but she's winning this whole mess by a lot. This is a purely emotional reaction though, there's no rational argument against your plan other than "what if it ever gets out!" (because your plan makes it look like we deliberately protected and rewarded the criminal).
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Doesn't change my point. She had other options. She choose the one that involved violating her sisters mind, endangering her life and ursuping her position in the line of succession.
It's called punishment. The thing a legal system does when you are breaking laws and meddle with people's thoughts.
If she had fled her abusive household and asked for asylum, I'd be fine with helping her, but she did not. She decided to attack her sister instead.
A legal system can't reward criminals for presenting nice sob stories. Or do you want people to repeat this mess? "Either I get away with it or I score a nice tuition free spot in the Scholarium, so let's Dominate a few people!" Is that what you want? Normalizing her behaviour?
Why does the where matter? Or for that matter, the law. We're not solving this legally so that whole argument is moot. What we are doing is simple, we're removing her from the situation and putting her somewhere she'll be watched at all times, as a way to sort out this whole matter discretely.
Details such as what province she'll be going to do not massively affect this situation.
Details such as what province she'll be going to do not massively affect this situation.
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We can't publicize her crime, unfortunately. Recall her accomplice was a mage sent by Doran? So any punishment we dole out, must be a subtle one.
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That's why I said "duress". If the choice is between starvation and stealing bread, then you have mitigating circumstances. If you are a millionaire and try to steal your workers pension funds, you decidedly don't.
To be honest, the mental health of the older sister is better served by never telling her. Would you want some schizophrenia and forever second guess which thoughts are your and which were planted there by the lizard people?
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I would also prefer to give her a public trial for her crimes and dragging her families good names through the mud to a appropriate degree depending on their own asshatteriffic contributions to this, but realpolitik says she gets out decently well here.
tarrangar
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Why would Rizneth care? I don't think the snake people, are friends with the Lizard people.
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One is a major city with liable to be sympathetic authority figures by inclination.
The other is the frontier, which, while developing and getting slowly better, is still on the border of hell on earth.
It was deliberately chosen to be a punishment.
On the other hand, one could argue the place where people have more time to keep an eye out for enchantment abuse and other such tricks would be the one where it's safer to put her, for everyone around her that is.
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Cold bloods should stick together. That, and it isn't a hard leap of logic to equate snake people with lizard people.
tarrangar
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It's also kind of stupid, if we don't want her to become someone of importance, considering how involved in the story she has been, I think there's good chances she's not one of those people capped at level 5, sending her to the frontier of hell on earth, is likely to cause her to level up quite fast, do we want this girl to be level 10 or higher in a few years?
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She's not going there to fight monsters. She's going there to keep her head down. If she actually comes close to any action, her minder will notify us of any inconsistencies in her behavior--and if she's just a trouble magnet, we can revisit relocating her then, though I don't expect her to find it unless she goes searching. Which the minder is there to prevent.
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Does her aversion to danger sound like someone who going to thrive in a dangerous environment? I very much doubt her drive and advancement capabilities enough for a cushioned exile.
tarrangar
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She's going there though, and she will be the apprentice of a stronger mage, I don't think there are many mages in Dracorys, who don't occasionally fight monsters.
And are we really going to send her there, and then forbid her from helping in the defense of her new home?
What aversion to danger? She might not be the bravest person in the world, but she hasn't showed active aversion to danger.
Vote closed.
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And to think this whole drame could have been avoided if people where taking precautions against Enchantment from the moment they became available.
Seriously, 80% or so of the whole school can be blocked by a simple, low-level spell.
I bet you in the City of Brass there isn't a single Efreeti baby that does not get a PfC amulet in their cradle within their first week. (Tough luck for Ifrit, Azer and various other non-Efreeti and non rich or noble people there)
Seriously, 80% or so of the whole school can be blocked by a simple, low-level spell.
I bet you in the City of Brass there isn't a single Efreeti baby that does not get a PfC amulet in their cradle within their first week. (Tough luck for Ifrit, Azer and various other non-Efreeti and non rich or noble people there)