"Just in case", basically.

If one of our Companions gets grabbed by Hells or Timmie's Avatar here...
Well, half of a Companion is better than none of a Companion, eh? :V
A Companion grabbed by Tiamat is probably going to be soul-killed. Same with the Hells.
I hope if Ashara pulls some "so does it take two grown man to kill a single woman", it's Ser Richard that actually lands the killing blow before immediately going after the next target, only sparing enough time to make sure she's dead.
This would be an amazing followup.
 
A Companion grabbed by Tiamat is probably going to be soul-killed. Same with the Hells.
This is another reason why "lol come on kill some of our guys" causes risk aversion in players. No one wants their favorite characters to be permakilled, so we do everything any anything possible to avoid that.
 
Have I mentioned how much I love the Seeker? Because I love that thing like no tomorrow. Also it has anti-magic field right? Should we throw it up and go ham?
 
man i just remembered how out of date some of the sheets are. Yreal is still marked as lawful good in the vassels tab
 
This is another reason why "lol come on kill some of our guys" causes risk aversion in players. No one wants their favorite characters to be permakilled, so we do everything any anything possible to avoid that.
That stance is a lot less happy-go-lucky than you're making it out to be. Obviously companions being permakilled would suck beyond measure, but it'd also be more believable than this string of never-ending victories we've been through so far. The first important death we've had in the quest on our side was an Erinyes in the Plane of Fire, and she was resurrected with little fanfare after the fact. This trend doesn't exactly help DP trying to build suspense in these fights. It's hard to be worried when we've never had things go truly badly for us, more inconveniencing.
 
So just to clarify, @DragonParadox, JonCon comes in, in a mad rage strikes at Viserys, and the Seeker attacks him enough that he might as well be flanked form three directions by multiple BAB +16 melee fighters? :V

"So you have chosen death."
 
That stance is a lot less happy-go-lucky than you're making it out to be. Obviously companions being permakilled would suck beyond measure, but it'd also be more believable than this string of never-ending victories we've been through so far. The first important death we've had in the quest on our side was an Erinyes in the Plane of Fire, and she was resurrected with little fanfare after the fact. This trend doesn't exactly help DP trying to build suspense in these fights. It's hard to be worried when we've never had things go truly badly for us, more inconveniencing.
looks at viserys dying during surgery cauzing the whole tiamat deal with dany to happen. i mean in combat you aren't wrong but that was pretty damn major
 
That stance is a lot less happy-go-lucky than you're making it out to be. Obviously companions being permakilled would suck beyond measure, but it'd also be more believable than this string of never-ending victories we've been through so far. The first important death we've had in the quest on our side was an Erinyes in the Plane of Fire, and she was resurrected with little fanfare after the fact. This trend doesn't exactly help DP trying to build suspense in these fights. It's hard to be worried when we've never had things go truly badly for us, more inconveniencing.
I'm more pointing out that, because this is so obviously the case, and if any Companion dies during these kinds of fights, that's it, they're gone for good, forever, that means that players will over-prepare and try to stack the odds no matter what, which leads to contortionist responses from the DM to try to keep those stakes high, or a steam roll.
 
looks at viserys dying during surgery cauzing the whole tiamat deal with dany to happen. i mean in combat you aren't wrong but that was pretty damn major
And it was reversed, and here we are cleaning up after ourselves as we speak. While there were consequences, when we're looking at us there wasn't much in the way of permanent consequences.
 
And it was reversed, and here we are cleaning up after ourselves as we speak. While there were consequences, when we're looking at us there wasn't much in the way of permanent consequences.

Given the effect on Dany's character going from child to dragon in human skin following that fateful deal, I'd say that moment had pretty far reaching consequences to the story

Did Viserys' Dragon's Roar spell affect any of the ritual casters?

No, too far away.
 
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That stance is a lot less happy-go-lucky than you're making it out to be. Obviously companions being permakilled would suck beyond measure, but it'd also be more believable than this string of never-ending victories we've been through so far. The first important death we've had in the quest on our side was an Erinyes in the Plane of Fire, and she was resurrected with little fanfare after the fact. This trend doesn't exactly help DP trying to build suspense in these fights. It's hard to be worried when we've never had things go truly badly for us, more inconveniencing.
I don't know about you but for me every death is terrifying to me for one simple reason.

Heaven is gone, the positive planes are dust in the wind, and what isn't destroyed is corrupted beyond measure or description. Bringing back anyone at all is a miracle in and of itself because we know for a fact that nothing is going to protect them save a deity's will or sheer. dumb. luck.

Add to the fact we have enemies who specifically traffic in the dead and corruption therein I can see many ways and many methods on how those we've developed an attachment to can be permanently destroyed or corrupted to the point where we will have to destroy them.

Hell we may joke about it, may jest of a cousin who has never been, but never forget that one of the enemies we faced when we were far weaker had the ability to erase you from existence with a fucking breath weapon.

And these fuckers can only get worse.
 
Given the effect on Dany's character going from child to dragon in human skin following that faithful deal, I'd say that moment had pretty far reaching consequences to the story
Dany going from child to a dragon in human skin happened before the deal with Tiamat, DP. We weren't watching her closely enough and then she soul-forged herself and "sacrificed her childhood on the altar of power". I distinctly remember this happening before Dany became a cleric. Tiamat even wanted her to sacrifice her coin as the focal point for her Holy Symbol.

There were a lot of other significant character developments due to being a cleric of Tiamat, but losing her childhood wasn't one of them. That was Dany's choice all on her own.
I don't know about you but for me every death is terrifying to me for one simple reason.

Heaven is gone, the positive planes are dust in the wind, and what isn't destroyed is corrupted beyond measure or description. Bringing back anyone at all is a miracle in and of itself because we know for a fact that nothing is going to protect them save a deity's will or sheer. dumb. luck.

Add to the fact we have enemies who specifically traffic in the dead and corruption therein I can see many ways and many methods on how those we've developed an attachment to can be permanently destroyed or corrupted to the point where we will have to destroy them.

Hell we may joke about it, may jest of a cousin who has never been, but never forget that one of the enemies we faced when we were far weaker had the ability to erase you from existence with a fucking breath weapon.

And these fuckers can only get worse.
I agree it's terrifying. That actually makes it more absurd we've had such incredible luck.
 
Dany going from child to a dragon in human skin happened before the deal with Tiamat, DP. We weren't watching her closely enough and then she soul-forged herself and "sacrificed her childhood on the altar of power". I distinctly remember this happening before Dany became a cleric. Tiamat even wanted her to sacrifice her coin as the focal point for her Holy Symbol.

There were a lot of other significant character developments due to being a cleric of Tiamat, but losing her childhood wasn't one of them. That was Dany's choice all on her own.

I agree it's terrifying. That actually makes it more absurd we've had such incredible luck.
and that is what it is, luck and a lot of fucking prep work. and i would rather that streak of luck continue than it runs out becouse i don't want anyone here erased from existanced forged into currency or anything else that can happen with how fucked the planes are
 
I agree it's terrifying. That actually makes it more absurd we've had such incredible luck.
I find it less us being lucky and us being paranoid fuckwits that just happen to be magically charismatic enough not to look like it.

To quote the long since dead but fondly remembered original Warhammer Dynasty quest, Jacob was fun to play as but from the outside he looked like a paranoid wreck who constantly splashed people with holy water, regularly laced wine with holy water, slapped holy symbols on every surface, and regularly cursed at cotton for being a frustrating piece of shit plant to work with.
 
Dany going from child to a dragon in human skin happened before the deal with Tiamat, DP. We weren't watching her closely enough and then she soul-forged herself and "sacrificed her childhood on the altar of power". I distinctly remember this happening before Dany became a cleric. Tiamat even wanted her to sacrifice her coin as the focal point for her Holy Symbol.

There were a lot of other significant character developments due to being a cleric of Tiamat, but losing her childhood wasn't one of them. That was Dany's choice all on her own.

Becoming a cleric accelerated the process I'd say, but that is a very subjective opinion.
 
and that is what it is, luck and a lot of fucking prep work. and i would rather that streak of luck continue than it runs out becouse i don't want anyone here erased from existanced forged into currency or anything else that can happen with how fucked the planes are
I find it less us being lucky and us being paranoid fuckwits that just happen to be magically charismatic enough not to look like it.

To quote the long since dead but fondly remembered original Warhammer Dynasty quest, Jacob was fun to play as but from the outside he looked like a paranoid wreck who constantly splashed people with holy water, regularly laced wine with holy water, slapped holy symbols on every surface, and regularly cursed at cotton for being a frustrating piece of shit plant to work with.
Sorry guys, my suspense of disbelief is long since dead and buried in regards to this quest. There's only so much "luck" I can believe.
 
Just for the record, I'll manage some characters permadying at this point.
SoD around here is bad with that particular aspect.

[X] Goldfish

Now, as someone who feels himself vaguely in-between the states of [goldfish] and [azel] on this matter, can we forget about luck/balance/narrative unsatisfaction until the end of this encounter, please?

I'm having great difficulty following around as-is, without worrying about people saltfesting out.

G'night everyone.
 
Sorry guys, my suspense of disbelief is long since dead and buried in regards to this quest. There's only so much "luck" I can believe.
Luck only goes so far, but prepwork carries the day. It's not just the immense amount of gear we have, but also in the spell selections (such as Alter Fortune) and party composition. We don't do things in half measures, and that includes stacking groups with more high level characters than are strictly necessary, to cover each other's weaknesses and dominate the action economy.
 
So, these guys are getting in a lot of one liners, can we shoot back with something already? Preferably something about Blackfires, but at this point I would take shouting "Rhaegar was a fucking lunatic!" just to get a verbal hit in.
 
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