[X] Crake

No draconic pretentiousness, simple, succinct, and above all? To the point.

Now, here's hoping that the Red God won't take an insult at how brief it is though...
 
@Duesal @egoo @Goldfish Assuming we have time for it and assuming the results of the Armor Piercing Question are good, any niggling questions or doubts you want clarified by someone likely to have either seen the events take place or shined their, heh, Light upon it for a bit of illuminating?

Not Bloodraven: The Questioning or Bloodraven 2: Electric Boogaloo scale, but we probably could get some answers out of him, depending on how receptive he actually is.
 
What? Amicable Red instead of the ALL SHALT KNEEL BEFORE ME guy we meet before in Lys? Something's fishy! Or... should I say, devilish???

[ :V ] Aze-Asmy, is that you?

[X] Crake
 
It allows a save though, doesn't it? May as well Nauseate the target in that case, it's more immediately useful in combat.
Nausea is somewhat easier to prevent or negate, and while Utterdark allows a saving throw, the DC is 2 points higher than Noxious.

Noxious might be enough, though. There are several great Dark Invocations to choose from and not enough slots.
 
What? Amicable Red instead of the ALL SHALT KNEEL BEFORE ME guy we meet before in Lys? Something's fishy! Or... should I say, devilish???

[ :V ] Aze-Asmy, is that you?

[X] Crake

Keep in mind it's been a long time since Lys, gods are capable of reassessing their approach to an issue so long as it is not in a manner opposed to their domains. There is nothing about being charming that is opposed to R'hllor's domains.
 
@Duesal @egoo @Goldfish Assuming we have time for it and assuming the results of the Armor Piercing Question are good, any niggling questions or doubts you want clarified by someone likely to have either seen the events take place or shined their, heh, Light upon it for a bit of illuminating?

Not Bloodraven: The Questioning or Bloodraven 2: Electric Boogaloo scale, but we probably could get some answers out of him, depending on how receptive he actually is.
[] What was his plan for the favor he asked of Garin several years ago?

I'm somewhat tempted to ask about the pre-valurian times - we know little lore on how the rule of Red Dragons came to be, and where all the other flights went.
But that's likely to be "too many questions"-territory.

We... might also want to ask
[] What was Mel's task with the Red Dragon orb?

That aside, ancient lore is always good.
Too bad he's not Bloodtaven to share such with us :/
 
I believe Mel was being honest there, actually. She wanted to take control of the ancient Draconic beings in Valyria who would have been effected by the Orb's power.
Eh, I think she would have needed directions from Burny to find said beings without getting over her head-
The directions we can use on our next trip there in 2-4 months.

@Duesal, seconding crake calling you up, I trust your lore-knowledge to find some great things to ask Burny about.
 
Hm.
@everyone, shall we also ask the following?

[] The faithful of R'hlor named the Weeping Lady of Lys an enemy according to their beliefs for a loooong time - in part because of her Death domain at the time.
-[] Had the change in the latest times been big enough on parts of both Faiths, that he doesn't find working with her abhorrent, as some worshippers of his might have made him in the past?


I'm not sure how to best phrase such a question, but I feel like something along the lines might be a good idea. Gods take a long time to change.
 
@Duesal @egoo @Goldfish Assuming we have time for it and assuming the results of the Armor Piercing Question are good, any niggling questions or doubts you want clarified by someone likely to have either seen the events take place or shined their, heh, Light upon it for a bit of illuminating?

Not Bloodraven: The Questioning or Bloodraven 2: Electric Boogaloo scale, but we probably could get some answers out of him, depending on how receptive he actually is.
Nothing that immediately comes to mind.

Maybe he will have some insight into the survival of any deities which once had their realm in one of the Celestial Planes?
 
We have multiple death gods in our realm who we are on good terms with, and most of them find undeath and defilement of the dead an abomination, which is what I think Rh'llor is actually opposed to (not that most Gods wouldn't be unless they were assholes).
 
Nothing that immediately comes to mind.

Maybe he will have some insight into the survival of any deities which once had their realm in one of the Celestial Planes?
I think the Sundering might have occurred even before he was created though, so he probably only knows what his followers might have uncovered around that time, or what we know now. So far every divine entity we've asked for something even close to that timeframe is either honest in telling us they only know so much because they either choose not to remember or literally cannot, and I assume that both relates to how traumatic that was on a universal scale, or they were lying out of their teeth because, I don't fucking know, they don't want Viserys to have that knowledge?

With how important it probably is to know the truth, they're a giant heel if so.
 
We have multiple death gods in our realm who we are on good terms with, and most of them find undeath and defilement of the dead an abomination, which is what I think Rh'llor is actually opposed to (not that most Gods wouldn't be unless they were assholes).
Eh, I'm just wary of the "the faithful decide the god"-bullshit.

They all but ran witch-hunts, from what I gather.
The time-frame between the WLoL moving away from Death realm, and faithful of R'hlor easing on the hate, was really not that long.
 
This is a terrible idea. You know that if they cause gold to grow, Duesal will suggest industrially farming them or something. And then someone will sabotage our automatic "grow, wait, kill" facility and release Lindorms all over Sororythos...
Sounds like an upgrade from bear asses for a high-leveld Maelor!
Yes, but you're focusing on the wrong thing. I'd suggest industrially farming them so I could get those nice big Linnorm corpses. ;) You better believe I'd exploit something like that.
@Duesal @egoo @Goldfish Assuming we have time for it and assuming the results of the Armor Piercing Question are good, any niggling questions or doubts you want clarified by someone likely to have either seen the events take place or shined their, heh, Light upon it for a bit of illuminating?

Not Bloodraven: The Questioning or Bloodraven 2: Electric Boogaloo scale, but we probably could get some answers out of him, depending on how receptive he actually is.
Eh, I think she would have needed directions from Burny to find said beings without getting over her head-
The directions we can use on our next trip there in 2-4 months.

@Duesal, seconding crake calling you up, I trust your lore-knowledge to find some great things to ask Burny about.
Honestly I didn't think this would involve him allowing us to ask questions...

1. Ask about the legend of Azor Ahai, Nissa Nissa, and Lightbringer.
2. Ask about the first Long Night.
3. Ask about the Great Other.
4. Ask what he remembers of how mankind prevailed against the Red Dragon Empire
5. Ask about the process of becoming a god, the details of how it happened, etc. We witnessed the moment but that's only a part of the puzzle. Anything he's willing to share on that front would be useful.
6. Get a general feel -- carefully -- of how he's changing. That whole "I am the only god" thing needs to go, as does the "all mortals are my slaves" thing.
7. Scope out how he'd like to help against things like Ymeri, the Efreeti (unclean flames), and Tiamat (ultimate enemy)
8. Make sure he's at least willing to work with the other gods against mutual enemies.
9. What lore of the Void can he share with us, that we may better prepare?

I could easily make this list number in the 50s or 60s, but that would mostly be miscellaneous lore. This is the stuff that's actually important to us.

Oh, @Crake, one important thing. We need to get some form of mechanic out of DP for sacrifice rules if we ever choose to do so with R'hllor in the future. The Old Gods have pretty established rules with Day of Blood and Day of Change and using the Tree of the Dawn Age as a benchmark for sacrifices, and Yss has his own rules. We need to know OOC what R'hllor would work with.
 
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  • [X] "Many, but I am not sure how many we have time for, or how many would even be safe to answer. Even in the fastness of gods I am sure secrets are kept lest they slip their own leash to wreak havoc upon the Spheres."
    -[X] "I expect you have a notion of why I am here, however. Not just enmity I have that would drive me to seek audience with not one god alone but many. What I must know is this. You who have gazed upon my changing Realm and in some ways the most effected out of any individual being by the charge I lead, some have called frantic that which I call necessary. What say you? Do I lead your followers and their fellow citizens if not Faithful into folly, or do you see merit in the burden in which we take up where all would look into the fire, seeking your face and voice for an answer?"
    -[X] Grimly, before he answers if possible: "I would name you ally if I could, you know, even with what I knew, or thought I knew at the start. There are far too many enemies in this world to not look for friends, even if instinct would guide me to search for more foes." R'hllor became a tyrant by his followers will, and you know with no ignorance in face of the truth that any God can become less or more through the changing of the world and of their worshipers. The question would be if you two could work together and find the best path forward, if there indeed be a path at all.
 
Yes, but you're focusing on the wrong thing. I'd suggest industrially farming them so I could get those nice big Linnorm corpses. ;) You better believe I'd exploit something like that.


Honestly I didn't think this would involve him allowing us to ask questions...

1. Ask about the legend of Azor Ahai, Nissa Nissa, and Lightbringer.
2. Ask about the first Long Night.
3. Ask about the Great Other.
4. Ask what he remembers of how mankind prevailed against the Red Dragon Empire
5. Ask about the process of becoming a god, the details of how it happened, etc. We witnessed the moment but that's only a part of the puzzle. Anything he's willing to share on that front would be useful.
6. Get a general feel -- carefully -- of how he's changing. That whole "I am the only god" thing needs to go, as does the "all mortals are my slaves" thing.
7. Scope out how he'd like to help against things like Ymeri, the Efreeti (unclean flames), and Tiamat (ultimate enemy)
8. Make sure he's at least willing to work with the other gods against mutual enemies.

I could easily make this list number in the 50s or 60s, but that would mostly be miscellaneous lore. This is the stuff that's actually important to us.

Oh, @Crake, one important thing. We need to get some form of mechanic out of DP for sacrifice rules if we ever choose to do so with R'hllor in the future. The Old Gods have pretty established rules with Day of Blood and Day of Change and using the Tree of the Dawn Age as a benchmark for sacrifices, and Yss has his own rules. We need to know OOC what R'hllor would work with.
Sacrifice is a bad idea right now, it reinforces his current aspects, and we want to wait until we can solidify the form we are content to work with long-term. Or I guess identify if his current form is already one not inimical to our realm.
 
Sacrifice is a bad idea right now, it reinforces his current aspects, and we want to wait until we can solidify the form we are content to work with long-term. Or I guess identify if his current form is already one not inimical to our realm.
I agree we don't sacrifice any time soon. I'm saying we should get the general rules for how it works so we can do it later if we ever need to. It's easier to plan for this sort of thing when we know what's going on.
 
Keep in mind it's been a long time since Lys, gods are capable of reassessing their approach to an issue so long as it is not in a manner opposed to their domains. There is nothing about being charming that is opposed to R'hllor's domains.
AKA: Gods be unable to reconcile "YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL YOU DON'T WAKE THE DRAGON" Viserys and "I AM THE DRAGON REBORN, AND THROUGH MADNESS I SHALL PREVAIL" Viserys, caught totally flat-footed.

R'hllor: "This isn't the timeline I signed up for!" :o
 
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