No, they themselves wouldn't be protected, but their prospective victim would be. They would be just like any unaffiliated invader trying to attack those who live there.
That might be the intent but the wording undermines that.
Secondary Effect 3: Aegis of the Old Gods —> To gain the Aegis of the Old Gods, an effect only available to true worshipers of the Old Gods, one must meditate before the Heart Tree for one hour and make a small blood sacrifice, inflicting 1 point of Hit Point damage and 1 point of Strength damage which must be healed naturally. The blessing remains indefinitely so long as an individual is within range of the Heart Tree. A blessed individual loses the Aegis if they are out of range for more than 24 hours, but can regain it by meditating before the Heart Tree for one hour without performing a blood sacrifice. The blessed can voluntarily forego the Aegis' protection, such as two armsmen who wish to practice their martial skills within range.
By its very nature this is not an all-encompassing effect. By having exceptions at all it allows criminals a window. You have to:

1. Actively worship to get the blessing
2. Can actively refuse the blessing

Either the Old Gods provide the Safe Clearing or they don't. You can't have an AOE spell with exceptions and bells and whistles like this or they will be exploited.
@Goldfish, @Duesal, I dislike your suggested trees because they both forget the "make weapons good against snarks" objective. And that's important for us too, because it makes a local leader able to handle magic shit by throwing buffed mortals as it, which is a great emergency response when the alternative would be "gribbly slaughters useless armsmen until help is available".
Even a Greater Magic Weapon would do the job there!
I agreed with this, but the reason I didn't go for tis was because the military aspect was at the bottom of Blackwood's wishlist. We could simply give him a whole bunch of +1 weapons or grow him a Defense Tree entirely and that should take care of his strategic concerns. For a lord like him he could probably easily drop 5,000 - 10,000 IM on weapons purchases in Sorcerer's Deep.
 
@Goldfish, @Duesal, Greater Magic Weapon is far better than either of your alternatives. It lasts for 20 hours, it gives +5 to attack and damage (so mathematically far, far better than Flaming), and it's all-around vastly superior to the alternatives.
If he wants knowledge-boosters he can drop 5 000 - 10 000 IM on competence or insight bonus items in Sorcerer's Deep. He'll still be saving money compared to the "what if he'd spent the money on weapons" plan.
 
@Goldfish, @Duesal, Greater Magic Weapon is far better than either of your alternatives. It lasts for 20 hours, it gives +5 to attack and damage (so mathematically far, far better than Flaming), and it's all-around vastly superior to the alternatives.
If he wants knowledge-boosters he can drop 5 000 - 10 000 IM on competence or insight bonus items in Sorcerer's Deep. He'll still be saving money compared to the "what if he'd spent the money on weapons" plan.
I'm not denying the use of Greater Magic Weapon, I'm just saying it seems like a waste on this particular tree. We should be trying our best to exploit its larger-than-normal range.

I'm not against simply growing a Defense Tree here later on.
 
I'm not denying the use of Greater Magic Weapon, I'm just saying it seems like a waste on this particular tree. We should be trying our best to exploit its larger-than-normal range.

I'm not against simply growing a Defense Tree here later on.
I large range to activate Greater Magic Weapon is also amazing though. Far more flexibility !
 
See my reply above. This is what Blackwood is asking for. As such he probably has grand plans to actually leverage it in the future.

That's underselling Sacred Fox's Cunning.

Sacred Fox's Cunning — Boost to skill and ability checks, boost to all learning.

It's not just a learning boost, it's an everything boost. Basically everyone inside the effects will benefit in their day to day lives. Day laborers, craftsmen, artisans, scholars, etc. This is a very tangible blessing.

Safe Clearing is nice, but in terms of overall usefulness and the smallfolk actively feeling the Old Gods helping them, Sacred Fox's Cunning wins out.

EDIT: Also there might be a slight problem with Safe Clearing -- what if a man at arms or a watchman needs to attack someone? If they're under Safe Clearing, wouldn't they be forced to make a willsave as well?

AoE still works, so something like nets would help with this (I think?), if we're talking about local criminals. On the other end, fox's cunning is great, but this guy is trying to start a city running up on the start of a civil war; safety is a better deal.

If this was a city with our resources behind it that'd be one thing, but Blackwood can't speed up the development process by dumping magic and money on it. His city will be strangled in the crib if it becomes valuable to own but difficult to hold.

On the other point, I don't trust any of the Westerosi nobility to put on their pants correctly without trying at least three times every morning, let alone plan anything related to economics or civil engineering. This guy has the plan of " I got blindsided, let's not do that again" not a grand scheme for a center of learning.
 
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Greater Magic Weapon never had a range even on the normal trees. The duration of the effect wouldn't be any different on the Blackwood Tree either.
No, the idea is that you don't need to rush up to the tree to activate it and then respond. With a huge range, anyone can easily make their dagger +5 and just beat the heck out of that Fey gribbly that emerged from the woods, or whatever.
 
No, the idea is that you don't need to rush up to the tree to activate it and then respond. With a huge range, anyone can easily make their dagger +5 and just beat the heck out of that Fey gribbly that emerged from the woods, or whatever.
I don't think that's how it works; on the regular heart trees you still need to be standing in front of the actual tree, not just in range.
 
AoE still works, so something like nets would help with this (I think?), if we're talking about local criminals. On the other end, fox's cunning is great, but this guy is trying to start a city running up on the start of a civil war; safety is a better deal.
The thing is I'm really not worried about the war. He'll be given the means to quickly contact us just like every other loyalist, so the second someone marches on his keep we can send aid.
f this was a city with our resources behind it that'd be one thing, but Blackwood can't speed up the development process by dumping magic and money on it. His city will be strangled in the crib if it becomes valuable to own but difficult to hold.
We'd obviously be helping out both in city planning and resources here and there. He won't be making much progress initially, which is ideal for us since it's less we need to redo.
On the other point, I don't trust any of the Westerosi nobility to put on their pants correctly without trying at least three times every morning, let alone plan anything related to economics or civil engineering. This guy has the plan of " I got blindsided, let's not do that again" not a grand scheme for a center of learning.
He'd do it for the status and wealth alone. Westerosi nobles might be shit at economics but even they can understand that a prospering city means more taxes to be collected.
No, the idea is that you don't need to rush up to the tree to activate it and then respond. With a huge range, anyone can easily make their dagger +5 and just beat the heck out of that Fey gribbly that emerged from the woods, or whatever.
I can say I'd definitely prefer this to Safe Clearing.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 6, 2019 at 6:37 AM, finished with 90 posts and 12 votes.

  • [X] You will ease into the conversation by explaining that for most of the Lords of Westeros that you've visited, defenses against the more insidious foes and threats, usually the most prescient and powerful, have been rather slim, so you've used your own wealth of experience dealing with cults and fiends and other foulness by generally cleaning up the immediate problems most are facing whom you have already visited. It just so happens that whatever ancient threat that had risen up wasn't at all lying dormant through Magic's slumber like most, it was that which threatened both House Blackwood and House Bracken for nigh uncountable generations.
    -[X] You lead him along the threads of insight as you followed them, proving not only your competence but the care you placed into the matter, the sword, the Lady, chains of logic succinctly lain out and hopefully your cleverness and light touch endears you to them, if not the meat of the subject, most of what you tell him, if it had come to pass, do not paint a pretty picture for the depths of depravity and loathing Rickard Stark would sink to. You paint Lady Catelyn in the best light that you can, hoping to use clever conversational turns to render any ire he might feel away from Brackens and onto the monster which tried to engineer a horrid fate for both Lords' children, and ultimately the destruction of their lines. No more to blame than Hoster or really either of the High Lords for all that, as they had danced on unseen strings since the very day they were born.
    --[X] You know this will spark anger, not necessarily at you, maybe rage at Rickard, though you had the idea to sacrifice him--after extracting as much useful information from him as possible--in order to both help empower the Raven Tree, but perhaps also make Hoster Blackwood a true Druid with a connection to the Old Gods. The important part is the distinction that the ancient feud, thousands of years of intricate, maddened schemes, even the very foundations of it such as a poisoned Raven Tree, can be lain at the feet at either all of them, or one of them who ultimately won't get to be the one who decides that the only legacy left behind of the grand tragedy shall be the ashes of the dead and forgotten.
    ---[X] Moreover, this may perhaps be the last chance for a clean break. What else could convince him, short of Jonos Bracken of all people being tentatively open to a true marriage and dynastic alliance, unshadowed by hidden barbs and last minute spite? In any other world but this one it would be impossible to extract such a huge change of heart were what we spoke here not both completely accurate, but more importantly carrying a more poignant truth:
    ----[X] While it might have been a Blackwood who lay at the heart of this madness, if we set aside other ancient sins, far and away from living memory as they are, who has the right to hold those living now, with responsibilities to to both their living heirs and their subjects, accountable for what might set aright those deeds, and not at the hand by some vengeful specter or distant liege haphazardly telling both sides to shake hands and get along, but those scions who today can make of the world a brighter and kinder place?
    -----[X] Wearily, you close your account with the following: "Ultimately my Lord, I implore you to consider this, please. For years I have faced all kinds of horrors, prevented the worst atrocities from being committed on Westerosi soil, often times for people who wouldn't feel an ounce of gratitude for the efforts. It was my duty, yes, but it was also a thrill and a pleasure to stop monsters or alien minds from just having their way with us all. This tale? It's not my glory, for I shan't be sharing it far and wide, nor does it bring me pleasure that so much sorrow was woven together much like a serpent devouring its own tail. It's not a story simply of monsters and wraiths from the past, heroes stepping forth to stop them, or glory and accolades thus dispensed. It's a tale of men and women. No one will learn of it outside of these two Keeps and in the councils of Kings... but perhaps that is for the best? Anything else would just earn us the laughter of thirsting gods."
 
Part MMMCCXVI: Tending Old Wounds
Tending Old Wounds

Twenty Fourth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

To begin with you recount somethings of your doings in the Riverlands and Westeros as a whole, counting on rumors and tales to support your words while being careful not to sound too boastful. "In most cases these horrors beyond the strength of steel alone to conquer were either just waking or new come upon the world, but here on the banks of the Red Fork I found a foe that did not sleep and would not rest until it was destroyed or House Blackwood was no more."

The smile changes to a frown of worry, and in his dark gaze the first sparks of anger. By the time you are done you have no doubt it will rise into a blaze, you hope one directed rightly.

Thus you give your accounting, with Dany chiming in from time to time on matters of the investigation in Copperidge and your mother playing her own part in explaining some of the more extraordinary claims as well as helping to present Lady Catelyn in the best terms she can, for such praise rests more easily on her lips. Lord Tytos would hardly be so crude as to impinge the girl's virtue to his queen's face. Thankfully it seems that restraint is also enough to get him actually considering her words, looking past 'the Bracken girl' to see the girl who was in just as much danger as his son from a terrible fate.

"All these years..." something like horror stretches over Lord Blackwood's features at the mention of the unfortunate master of the hunt at Stone Hedge. "He could just take over anything, anyone and make them do what he wanted."

"Here," Dany presses a fresh cup of wine into his hands, noticing the change. "I could transmute that into something with more bite to it if you like."

Whatever inner struggle Tytos Blackwood is in the grip of it must be dreadful indeed for he does not even blink at the sight of a nine year old offering him magic strongwine. He just drains the cup in one motion before slamming the cup on the table hard enough to scratch the polished oak. "My uncle died to a Bracken armsman who Jonos claimed was a poacher. What manner of poacher bears his lord's arms and takes his coin? Madness..." taking a deep breath he continues, trying to keep back his anger as best he can. "When father asked to interrogate the man a raven came back from Stone Hedge that he had hung himself in his cell. Mighty convenient conscience he had then and a rope to do himself in besides. But this thing, this warg... he could have done it couldn't he? Damn us all for fools. Did he poison the Heart Tree? Did he kill our children, our parents, our siblings our friends? I have to know, before I say one more word in this matter I have to know."

What you had been afraid of, you sigh inwardly. Still, as long as he keeps it to a few questions about those close to him and not trying to dig through Rickard's mind for every misdeed you should be able to handle it. You pass on to the Deep where your prisoner waits still, twice bound in the flesh-forged body and the grip of enchantment.

"Who is that... the body?" Lord Blackwood asks to his credit even in the grip of rage.

"No one, my lord, the body is crafted by sorcery and temporary, a prison for his malignant spirit," Dany replies, her high clear voice cutting the air like a knife. She looks with more displeasure upon Rickard than she had given many a fiend. "He will speak truth for sorcery compels it of him."

The Lord of Raventree nods mutely, though when Rickard confirms his suspicion he curses viciously, hand moving to the hilt of his sword and an inch of steel drawn before he stops himself. "Bloody murdering whore's son!" he hisses, at last slamming the blade home.

"His death may yet serve some purpose beyond justice being dealt, my lord," you interject. "By now you must have heard rumors from the east, though some of them are warped I can confirm this much, the Old Gods grant boons for blood spilled before a Heart Tree and few things please them more than an oathbreaker's death. By this power Hoster might be empowered to weild magics far beyond those which he has already learned. It seems a fitting thing that by his death your line will prosper."

"My line, not my House, what do you have in mind, Your Grace?" he asks with surprising perception for one who moments ago had been in the grip of rage.

In reply you make him the same offer you have presented many times already, land in the east for Hoster and Catelyn under a new name while here in the Riverlands the current de facto borders of Blackwood and Braken are enforced by royal will and trade, and peace will see to the prosperity of all. "Jonos Bracken agreed to this already," you end simply, six words that weigh more than any others in this circumstance. This may be more than the best chance at peace, it may well be the last one, and if it is not taken will not Rickard go laughing to whatever grim fate awaits him.

"He knows doesn't he, that this... monster was hunting Blackwoods first?" the Lord of Raventree asks grimly. "He will call it our sin, mark my words and then..."

"No he will not, only a madman would cleave to that and I do not think Lord Bracken is mad," you interrupt before he can dig himself too far into justifying the feud for pride's sake, call it someone else's fault again. "Ultimately, my Lord, I implore you to consider this, please. For years I have faced all kinds of horrors, prevented the worst atrocities from being committed on Westerosi soil, often times for people who wouldn't feel an ounce of gratitude for the efforts. It was my duty, yes, but it was also a thrill and a pleasure to stop monsters or alien minds from just having their way with us all."

You pause a moment for breath and thankfully find that the lord is not minded to interupt. "This tale?" you continue. "It's not my glory, for I shan't be sharing it far and wide, nor does it bring me pleasure that so much sorrow was woven together much like a serpent devouring its own tail. It's not a story simply of monsters and wraiths from the past, heroes stepping forth to stop them, of glory and accolades thus dispensed. It's a tale of men and women. No one will learn of it outside of those two keeps and in the councils of kings... but perhaps that is for the best? Anything else would just earn us the laughter of dark powers who so love twisting the suffering of men to their aims."

"Father, he is right," Ser Brunden interrupts, speaking for the first time since you had begin your tale. "The minstrels do not tell of it nor knights write of it, but I think there are some wounds too deep and terrible for even a knight to carry close to his heart. The King in his wisdom has drained this one. Let us bandage it so that it may heal."

"When did you get so wise?" Lord Blackwood asks wearily.

"I blame mother," the young man replies with a spark of unexpected humor in his gaze. "Someone had to make up for all the times my wits were scattered in the tilt yard." From the way he says the words it is clear he's quoting Lady Blackwood.

"Alright then, you can give your mother the news that Hoster is marrying a Bracken then," the lord replies only half in jest. "Gods know the boy could use some wisdom of his own."

Guessing his worry you interject once more: "One with the will to master magic is not without the strength of character to change their mind, nor strive to improve themselves."

So at last beneath the boughs of the ancient Heart Tree, and you suspect the gaze of the greenseer who bears the blood of his House and yours, Lord Tytos Blackwood kneels to accept you as his king and then you raise him up and grant him a gift of Valyrian steel.

What do you do next?

Rickard

[] Sacrifice at once to help empower Hoster's magic

[] Keep him prioner for a few more weeks transmuted into a book so you can transcribe as much of his knwolege as is useful


Heart Tree

[] Empower it
-[] Write in sacrifices and blessings

[] Wait until you can do so publicly after the conquest


OOC: And that is a wrap. I hope you guys liked the intrigues and the characters here in the Riverlands. For anyone interested Lord Blackwood's sudden recollection of how his uncle died was due to a crit on diplomacy. The poison will be handled in the next update, no need to vote on it.
 
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[X] Insane Warg
-[X] Keep him prisoner for a few more weeks transmuted into a book so you can transcribe as much of his knowledge as is useful
[X] Blackwood Weirwood Heart Tree
-[X] Wait until you can do so publicly after the conquest


We're not in a hurry, and this way we can have our cake and eat it too.
 
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Hey look at this template Vahana. It looks pretty good to slap on custom mounts for elite units. We still owe the Orphne Lord a mount right?

...Now we just have to find something with it...Meh, steal a Riders horse maybe? Well it's based on hindu deities traditional mounts. So maybe ask Zathir or that Deific Bull thing I forget the name of.
 
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Hey look at this template Vahana. It looks pretty good to slap on custom mounts for elite units. We still owe the Orphne Lord a mount right?

...Now we just have to find something with it...Meh, steal a Riders horse maybe? Well it's based on hindu deities traditional mounts. So maybe ask Zathir or that Deific Bull thing I forget the name of.
It's basically a less insane chimera with a useful Rider Bond telepathy... Why not ?
Best for combat mounts though, not mobility ones.
 
Hey look at this template Vahana. It looks pretty good to slap on custom mounts for elite units. We still owe the Orphne Lord a mount right?

...Now we just have to find something with it...Meh, steal a Riders horse maybe? Well it's based on hindu deities traditional mounts. So maybe ask Zathir or that Deific Bull thing I forget the name of.
That's a damn useful template. @DragonParadox, do we have access to this? And if not, where can we find it?
 
[X] Duesal

I'll just act like I'm doing this for the book, and not because I want all the sacrifices (1970 HD) we currently have to go to empowering Well of Eternity.
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[X] Duesal

I'll just act like I'm doing this for the book, and not because I want all the sacrifices (1970 HD) we currently have to go to empowering Well of Eternity.
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I actually forgot about that. I'm in favor of this going to the Well of Eternity. Blackwood can just get a few cursed swords later when we have the time.
 
What's up with giving everyone Valyrian steel; when not too long ago we decided not to give Lord Celtigar another axe just yet?
 
...can we make something with a negative Int?
:V

Would int-decreasong templates like Feral stack with dis?
The Int is the best part! This isnt for dump mounts it's for partners like Waymars order and its Griffons. The bond allows for Plane wide Telepathy. Plus it's an acquired template. Meaning you dont have to be born or made with it. Would Waymars Griffon be open to a bit of an upgrade?


Similar creatures can be made for hero and elite units as companions. The template makes them quasi familiar with that telepathic bond anyway. I figure it's like a familiar for melee people.
 
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