It would have to be a graft in this case yes, the mechanics of the template are very much about the conection with the living dragon overlord.
Yes but the question is whether a shed scale, still have a connection with the living dragon overlord, a scale removed and regrown of course loses that connection, but a scale shed and replaced don't necessarily.

It would be a compromise between the graft rules, and the fact that dragon vassals would never have been invented, if they permanently weakened the dragon, by making the rule that scales used to make dragon vassals, can only be replaced by non-magical processes.

But if you don't think it should work that way, then I will drop the idea, you're the GM your decision is final.
 
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Yes but the question is whether a shed scale, still have a connection with the living dragon overlord, a scale removed and regrown of course loses that connection, but a scale shed and replaced don't necessarily.

It would be a compromise between the graft rules, and the fact that dragon vassals would never have been invented, if they permanently weakened the dragon, by making the rule that scales used to make dragon vassals, can only be replaced by non-magical processes.

But if you don't think it should work that way, then I will drop the idea, you're the GM your decision is final.

I think using shed scales adds a layer of complexity to the rules without making it more fun for anyone, so yeah I'm going to say those scales follow graft rules.
 
Ironically I'm pretty sure people would vote to upgrade Dark Sister if only by the sheer fact they don't want it to be easy to Disjunct the Sword Waifu. :V
 
Here's our Advanced Half-Dragon Sea Serpents. We're growing three of them this month.

Suggestions on alternate names are welcome, and a picture would be great if anyone can find something that fits. It's hard to find good pictures of winged sea serpents with claws, at least those which don't have feathers.
Seawyrm
Advanced Half-Dragon Sea Serpent - CR 15
Size/Type:
Gargantuan Magical Beast (Aquatic, Dragon)
Hit Dice: 15d10 + 180 (CON) = 262 HP
Initiative: +4 (DEX) + 4 (Improved Initiative) = +8
Speed: Ground: 20 ft., Swim: 60 ft., Fly: 40 ft. (Average)
Armor Class: 33 (-4 Size, +4 Dex, +23 Natural), Touch 10, Flat-Footed 29
Base Attack/Grapple: +15/+41
Full Attack: 1 Bite +29 (4d8+27 plus grab), 2 Claws +24 (3d6+18), 1 Tail Slap +24 (3d6+9 plus grab)
Space/Reach: 20 ft./20 ft.
Special Attacks: Breath Weapon, Capsize, Constrict (3d6+27), Swallow Whole (4d8+27 bludgeoning damage, AC 21, hp 26)
Special Qualities: Darkvision 120 ft, Low-light Vision, Elusive, Immune to Cold & Fire, Immunity to Sleep & Paralysis effects
Saves: Fort +21, Ref +15, Will +9
Abilities: Str 46, Dex 18, Con 35, Int 8, Wis 15, Cha 17
Skills: Hide +15, Listen +17, Move Silently +15, Search +15, Spot +17, Survival +15, Swim +30
Feats: Extra Exhalation (x2), Improved Bull Rush, Improved Initiative, Iron Will, Lightning Reflexes, Maximize Breath, Power Attack
Languages: Draconic
Alignment: True Neutral

Breath Weapon (Ex): 3/Day, but no more than once every 1d4 rounds, you can breath a 60 foot cone fire which inflicts 15d6 points of Fire damage. DC 29 Reflex save for half damage.

Capsize (Ex): A Seawyrm can attempt to capsize a boat or ship of its size or smaller by ramming it as a charge attack and making a combat maneuver check. The DC of this check is 25 or the result of the boat captain's Profession (Sailor) check, whichever is higher.

Elusive (Su): As a Full-Round Action while in water, a Seawyrm can move up to its Run speed (300 ft.) without leaving any trace of its passing (identical in effect to a pass without trace). An elusive Seawyrm gains a +40 Circumstance bonus to its Hide and Move Silently checks. In addition, except when in combat, a Seawyrm is considered to be under the effects of a nondetection spell. Both of these spell effects are at caster level 20th and cannot be dispelled.
 
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Ironically I'm pretty sure people would vote to upgrade Dark Sister if only by the sheer fact they don't want it to be easy to Disjunct the Sword Waifu. :V
Yeah, sure, and it has nothing to do with the fact that Azel made a fuckmazing write-up for that upgrade, or that she'd look

"Once a almost plain looking blade forged from dragonsteel, this ancestral blade of House Targaryen was remade by the flames of the Dragon King, it's magics rewoven by the Smith of Souls and blessed by gods of death. The slender blade is shaped in the Valyrian fashion and only a few blood red rubies adorn it's hilt. Only the runes inlaid into the blade in the white bone of fiends and monsters hint at it's true might. Though light and swift, it lays heavy in the hand and many who saw it drawn claim to have felt a deep dread settle into their bones, knowing in their very souls that this blade would cut deeper then mere flesh."
:rolleyes:
 
I think it is utterly ridiculous to accuse anyone of 'enabling' or feeding toxic discussion in the last few pages.

Some people disagreed passionately and said they would muster all efforts to convince people not to vote for it. Duesal's not known for subversive debate tactics, Point One.

Goldfish was rather pliable in the details, et al, just presenting a template package he thought was ideal for the proposal. Point Two.

I fed into the discussion by pointing out that if the preference was against one resource expenditure, there should be some significant tradeoffs, on the conceit of the original fluff, and was at no point dissuaded during ongoing discussion while awake we might utilize other fluff, and thus use other tradeoffs. Point three. Match set.

Where's the salt? Better yet, where mah boi TNE at?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Nov 29, 2019 at 4:38 AM, finished with 120 posts and 15 votes.

  • [X] Start with Stone Hedge and the Brackens, perhaps trying to fit in a private meeting with Lady Catelyn (not words you thought you'd be thinking, albeit it is a different context) before meeting her father. The fact of the matter is you have made some gains with making your view of the Faith seem favorable, and religion is a prickly point with Lord Bracken if by nothing other than the sheer dint of his House's relationship with House Blackwood, and you have multiple ties and methods to get a favorable meeting at first blush with Lord Blackwood, through the auspices of Uncle Brynden and through your obvious championing of his Gods, to simple if distant blood ties.
    -[X] Furthermore the Brackens form the base of the knot in this case even if it seems possible a Blackwood might either untangle it or set the whole thing alight. You feel reasonably confident you can get them to set aside open conflict when you present all the other various threats facing the Riverlands and the Seven Kingdoms at large, and you have a reputation as a fair dealer and honorer of oaths. There's not really a whole lot more you can do to make a better impression, but a whole lot to make a worse one.
    [X] Deliste
 
Part MMMCCII: A Peace Ill Fated
A Peace Ill Fated

Twenty Third Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

In the end you decide upon House Bracken for your first visit. Better to have both sides of the tale before making any judgements, other than the fact that it is a dreadful tangle, but there isn't anything young Catelyn Bracken can tell you that would change that opinion besides perhaps 'father and lord Blackwood spontaneously reconciled' and in that case you would have to check both lords for enchantment.

So it is that you, Ser Richard, your mother and Rina come within sight of Stone Hedge, once more riding unseen upon spectral steeds while Dany lies coiled around your shoulders in her familiar hatchling form. The keep is old and strong, though more sprawling than tall as it stretches out over three low hills with a maze of walls, gates and courtyards watched over by towers, enough to make even the most determined assault pay in blood for every step. From its battlements flies the red rampant stallion of House Bracken watching over the herds of flesh and blood horses that graze on the surrounding hills.

History tell that the Brackens have always been great horse breeders, though how far that history goes or how it began depends on which side of the great feud one happens to bend one's ear to. Still, former sellsowrds or ancient lords the past matters little to you in this instance, it is the present you are concerned with, and the key to a full understanding in this instance is not Lord Jonos but his third-born daughter.

Dany spirals down to the window you know to belong to the girl, a tower apart from the rest, and from what you can glimpse of the furnishings quite spartan. Had Lord Braken also learned of the secret assignations?

It does not take long until you can ask for yourself for Dany soon invites you to speak to the girl along with any others that might wish to interview her. Rina follows, but to your surprise your mother choose to remain aloft. Then you catch sight of Ser Richard's relieved expression and realize she had given him an excuse to stay out of the conversation he wanted no part of.

"Your Grace, an honor to meet you," the girl's voice is firm enough, but she cannot quite meet your eyes as she curtsy and you do not think it is only the shyness of youth or the unexpected nature of the meeting. Ominously she holds a letter in hand that bears all the marks of something written in haste. The last thing you fancy yourself is a courier to the ill-fated idyll.


"My lady," you greet her politely nonetheless. "Has my sister explained why we are here?"

"Yes, Her Highness has been most kind, it's..." the facade of sophistication and calm cracks. "I couldn't really believe it wasn't a dream at first. I'm sorry I was so much trouble. I... we just wanted to make it all right and..."

"Catelyn, breathe," Dany interjects taking the girl's hand.

Blushing, Catelyn falls silent for a moment, but when she speaks she is once again composed. "You have to understand we were not just trusting in portents and signs like the old witch said, nor just in love, though yes Hoster and I are in love." She finally lifts her gaze almost defiantly. "By the time Lord Blackwood found the letters I had already spoken to Barbara, she's my eldest sister and father's heir, about ending this mad quarrel. Do you know we still argue over whose tits the hills were named for? Like it matters one whit who Aegon..."

"Who Aegon the Unworthy bedded, yes," you finish. "The moniker and the deeds that earned it are a matter of historical record. So you convinced your sister to..."

"To reconcile with the Blackwoods when she is Lady of Stone Hedge and Hoster was working on doing the same with his eldest brother Ser Brynden before things came apart. Father made Barbara swear on the Seven-Pointed Star that she would uphold 'our ancient claims and honor'," Catelyn continued, the frustration of several months of stewing boiling over. "Which honor that would be I know not, the honor that allowed Harren the Black to take over the Riverlands and kill Seven only knows how many raising that monstrosity of a castle? The honor that killed countless sons and daughters of both our Houses and their smallfolk, each death adding one more reason to push others into the Stranger's arms? They say the Old Gods do not forgive, I would not know for I am no theologian, but the Seven surely do and we Brackens have been remiss in that for time out of mind."

You had expected a love-struck girl and love-struck Lady Catelyn is indeed, but not as thoughtless as you had thought she would be. On the other hand you can well imagine why Jonos Bracken made his daughter swear to uphold the grudge between the Houses and not just from sheer hardheadedness. It would be hard enough for a woman to succeed without also leading the House she had just taken lordship of out of an age-old conflict. If memory serves, Lord Jonos has both a bastard who is knighted and a warrior tested, and a nephew not much younger.

"How did your father discover that you and Lord Hoster were conversing?" you ask as delicately as you are able.

"Lord Blackwood sent a letter, I only know a little of what is in it," she replies tight-lipped. "He called me a whore." And that was the part her own father had chosen to read out to her. Poor girl.

Still, sympathy cannot be what guides you here, at least not sympathy to two alone. The fate of tens of thousands of smallfolk hangs in the balance of the age old feud.

What do you do next?

[] Speak to Lord Bracken
-[] Write in

[] Speak to Barbara to see if she was sincere in recanting her promise to her sister
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: And here we are, not quite as silly a plan as first appeared, but still with holes you could fly Balerion through.
 
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Yeah, sure, and it has nothing to do with the fact that Azel made a fuckmazing write-up for that upgrade, or that she'd look

"Once a almost plain looking blade forged from dragonsteel, this ancestral blade of House Targaryen was remade by the flames of the Dragon King, it's magics rewoven by the Smith of Souls and blessed by gods of death. The slender blade is shaped in the Valyrian fashion and only a few blood red rubies adorn it's hilt. Only the runes inlaid into the blade in the white bone of fiends and monsters hint at it's true might. Though light and swift, it lays heavy in the hand and many who saw it drawn claim to have felt a deep dread settle into their bones, knowing in their very souls that this blade would cut deeper then mere flesh."
:rolleyes:
That's a very nice picture there, dude.

I'm fine with the upgrade plan for Dark Sister, though I would remove the Ghost Touch Enhancement in favor of just making her a +4 weapon instead. We can slap a Greater Weapon Crystal of True Death on her for 1000 IM that will grant the Ghost Touch property.
I think it is utterly ridiculous to accuse anyone of 'enabling' or feeding toxic discussion in the last few pages.

Some people disagreed passionately and said they would muster all efforts to convince people not to vote for it. Duesal's not known for subversive debate tactics, Point One.

Goldfish was rather pliable in the details, et al, just presenting a template package he thought was ideal for the proposal. Point Two.

I fed into the discussion by pointing out that if the preference was against one resource expenditure, there should be some significant tradeoffs, on the conceit of the original fluff, and was at no point dissuaded during ongoing discussion while awake we might utilize other fluff, and thus use other tradeoffs. Point three. Match set.

Where's the salt? Better yet, where mah boi TNE at?
TNE is currently suspended for some reason. I just saw it while looking at an old post. I'm guessing he said something over in the Divided Loyalties quest that got him an unfortunate amount of mod attention.
 
Suggestions on alternate names are welcome, and a picture would be great if anyone can find something that fits. It's hard to find good pictures of winged sea serpents with claws, at least those which don't have feathers.
Couldn't come up with a better name.
Once the name is finalized, are you going to update the description? It still talks about 'sea serpents'.
 
I think it is utterly ridiculous to accuse anyone of 'enabling' or feeding toxic discussion in the last few pages.

Some people disagreed passionately and said they would muster all efforts to convince people not to vote for it. Duesal's not known for subversive debate tactics, Point One.

Goldfish was rather pliable in the details, et al, just presenting a template package he thought was ideal for the proposal. Point Two.

I fed into the discussion by pointing out that if the preference was against one resource expenditure, there should be some significant tradeoffs, on the conceit of the original fluff, and was at no point dissuaded during ongoing discussion while awake we might utilize other fluff, and thus use other tradeoffs. Point three. Match set.

Where's the salt? Better yet, where mah boi TNE at?
TNE got banned because of a mod in the Divided Loyalties thread. No idea for how long.

End mod oppression! TNE was innocent ! Turn this website into 4chan!
/jk
 
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A Peace Ill Fated

Twenty Third Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

In the end you decide upon House Bracken for your first visit. Better to have both sides of the tale before making any judgements, other than the fact that it is a dreadful tangle, but there isn't anything young Catelyn Bracken can tell you that would change that opinion besides perhaps 'father and lord Blackwood spontaneously reconciled', and in that case you would have to check both lords for enchantment.

So it is that you, Ser Richard, your mother, and Rina come within sight of Stone Hedge, once more riding unseen upon spectral steeds while Dany lies coiled around your shoulders in her familiar hatchling form. The keep is old and strong, though more sprawling than tall as it stretches out over three low hills with a maze of walls, gates, and courtyards watched over by towers and keeps enough to make even the most determined assault pay in blood for every step. From its battlements flies the red rampant stallion of House Bracken watching over the herds of flesh and blood horses that graze on the surrounding hills.

History tells that the Brackens have always been great horse breeders, though how far that history goes or how it began depends on which side of the great feud one happens to bend one's ear to. Still, former sellswords or ancient lords, the past matters little to you in this instance, it is the present you are concerned with, and the key to a full understanding in this instance is not lord Jonos but his third-born daughter.

Dany spirals down from to the window you know to belong to the girl, a tower apart from the rest and from what you can glimpse of the furnishings quite spartan. Had Lord Braken also learned of the secret assignations?

It does not take long until you can ask for yourself, for Dany soon invites you to speak to the girl along with any others that might wish to interview her. Rina follows, but to your surprise your mother choose to remain aloft. Then you catch sight of Ser Richard's relieved expression and realize she had given him an excuse to stay out of the conversation he wanted no part of.

"Your Grace, an honor to meet you," the girl's voice is firm enough, but she cannot quite meet your eyes as she curtsies and you do not think it is only the shyness of youth or the unexpected nature of the meeting. Ominously, she holds a letter in hand that bears all the marks of something written in haste. The last thing you fancy yourself is a courier to the ill fated idyll.


"My lady," you greet her politely nonetheless. "Has my sister explained why we are here?"

"Yes, Her Highness has been most kind it's..." the facade of sophistication and calm cracks. "I couldn't really believe it wasn't a dream at first. I'm sorry I was so much trouble. I... we just wanted to make it all right and..."

"Catelyn, breathe," Dany interjects, taking the girl's hand in hers.

Blushing Catelyn falls silent for a moment, but when she speaks she is once again composed. "You have to understand we were not just trusting in portents and signs like the old witch said, nor just in love, though yes, Hoster and I are in love." She finally lifts her gaze almost defiantly. "By the time Lord Blackwood found the letters I had already spoken to Barbara, she's my eldest sister and father's heir, about ending this mad quarrel. Do you know we still argue after whose tits the hills were named for? Like it matters one whit who Aegon..."

"Who Aegon the Unworthy bedded, yes," you finish. "The moniker and the deeds that earned it are a matter of historical record. So you convinced your sister to..."

"To reconcile with the Blackwoods when she is Lady of Stone Hedge and Hoster was working on doing the same with his eldest brother Ser Brynden before things came apart. Father made Barbara swear on the Seven Pointed Star that she would uphold 'our ancient claims and honor'," Catelyn continued, the frustration of several months of stewing finally boiling over. "Which honor that would be I know not. The honor that allowed Harren the Black to take over the Riverlands and kill Seven only know how many raising that monstrosity of a castle? The honor that killed countless sons and daughters of both our houses and their smallfolk, each death adding one more reason to push others into the Stranger's arms? They say the Old Gods do not forgive, I would not know, for I am no theologian, but the Seven surely do, and we Brackens have been remiss in that for time out of mind."

You had expected a love-struck girl, and love-struck Lady Catelyn is indeed, but not as thoughtless as you had assumed she would be. On the other hand, you can well imagine why Jonos Bracken made his daughter swear to uphold the grudge between the houses and not just from sheer hardheadedness. It would be difficult enough for a woman to succeed without also leading the House she had just taken lordship of out of an age-old conflict. If memory serves, Lord Jonos has both a bastard who is knighted and a warrior tested, and a nephew not much younger.

"How did your father discover that you and Lord Hoster were conversing?" you ask as delicately as you are able.

"Lord Blackwood sent a letter, I only know a little of what is in it," she replies tight-lipped. "He called me a whore." And that was the part her own father had chosen to read out to her. Poor girl.

Still, sympathy cannot be what guides you here, at least not sympathy to two alone. The fate of tens of thousands of smallfolk hangs in the balance of the age old feud.

What do you do next?

[] Speak to Lord Braken
-[] Write in

[] Speak to Barbara to see if she was sincere in recanting her promise to her sister
-[] Write in

[] Write in


OOC: And here we are, not quite as silly a plan as first appeared, but still with holes you could fly Balerion through. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, @DragonParadox.

The Bracken's keep sounds pretty cool and I'm liking Catelyn quite a bit more than I was expecting. Good head on her shoulders, at least.

[X] Crake
 
Their plan actually wasn't that bad, all things considered. They're both young and naive, of course, but they didn't have a lot to work with. Neither is anywhere close to having authority or influence within their respective families, which is unfortunate.

If there weren't clearer heads around here, I would be half tempted to just go on a Brain Spider spree, single out everyone within both families who would be unable to let the feud go, and arrange an unfortunate "plague" to remove them from the equation entirely.
 
[X] "I--a whore? Really?" You really shouldn't be surprised. You really shouldn't be surprised. "Does a grudge give every person on this blasted continent the right to stomp on the innocent and blameless? I suppose I should be blaming my own family history for enabling this nonsense nearly three centuries before I do the Blackwoods..." Much less the Brackens, who as she just pointed out are no less guilty. Well, your own grumbling exasperation won't fix this mess.
-[X] "Assuming we had both heirs reconcile, even against the wishes of their fathers, Lady Barabra would have to trust that succession would be upheld by the Crown with her father's passing even against other claimants attempting to usurp her. We would have to get Ser Brynden to trust that the Crown will enforce and formalize de jure land rights on the Crown's authority, both things which would be easier to do while already King and already having made steps towards that end."
-[X] Turn to Lady Catelyn finally: "If you can get me a meeting with Lady Barbara, and assuming Hoster Blackwood can convince his brother to listen still, this all would still hinge on neither Lord Blackwood or Lord Bracken inflaming the conflict and striking out in blood before aught else..." You have an idea though.
-[X] "Your father, is he an ambitious man? And Lord Hoster, he is not particularly hung up on the idea of your hypothetical cadet branch bearing the name "Blackwood", aye?" Oh it would rankle at Lord Tytos Blackwood, but less so if they took up another name, ennobled in Essos where those trade ties would enrich both their lines through trade relations shared between Lady Barbara and Ser Brynden when they take up their seats. "Granting you lands in the East aren't much of an obstacle in this instance, and assuming he could trust the Crown would uphold Lady Barbara's succession, much of his concerns would then rest upon the claims he's making on Blackwood lands." So we cut that knot. Lord Blackwood and Lord Bracken will agree to your proposal of formalized land rights along current boundaries, giving up all claims to lands on opposing sides of the Red Fork. Lord Hoster and Lady Catelyn are granted rich lands in the east and gather no spite from either House upon bearing their rival's name. You insure Lady Barbara's inheritance.
-[X] "This all presumes that Lord Blackwood doesn't need certain other assurances. I should hope not considering the brinksmanship here favors neither House with war on the horizon." You aren't sour. Honest.
 
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[X] "I--a whore? Really?" You really shouldn't be surprised. You really shouldn't be surprised. "Does a grudge give every person on this blasted continent the right to stomp on the innocent and blameless? I suppose I should be blaming my own family history for enabling this nonsense nearly three centuries before I do the Blackwoods..." Much less the Brackens, who as she just pointed out are no less guilty. Well, your own grumbling exasperation won't fix this mess.
-[X] "To be perfectly honest I don't see a way to get Lord Bracken or Lord Blackwood to set aside their grudge without certain assurances that would preclude the other side from agreeing. I suppose if Lord Bracken would just listen, but then he would also have to trust, trust that I would uphold his daughter's succession rights, trust that I would not favor Lord Blackwood ten or twenty years down the road over land rights, allow succession to fall into dispute, or any other number of things, not that many people would disparage my sense of honor or fair play... to my face." Nor will whining about it help, for that matter. You sigh.
-[X] "Assuming we had both heirs reconcile, even against the wishes of their fathers, Lady Barabra would have to trust that succession would be upheld by the Crown with her father's passing even against other claimants attempting to usurp her. We would have to get Ser Brynden to trust that the Crown will enforce and formalize de jure land rights on the Crown's authority, both things which would be easier to do while already King and already having made steps towards that end."
-[X] Turn to Lady Catelyn finally: "If you can get me a meeting with Lady Barbara, and assuming Hoster Blackwood can convince his brother to listen still, this all would still hinge on neither Lord Blackwood or Lord Bracken inflaming the conflict and striking out in blood before aught else..." You have an idea though.
-[X] "Your father, is he an ambitious man? And Lord Hoster, he is not particularly hung up on the idea of your hypothetical cadet branch bearing the name "Blackwood", aye?" Oh it would rankle at Lord Blackwood, but less so if the took up another name, ennobled in Essos where those trade ties would enrich both their lines through trade relations shared between Lady Barbara and Ser Brynden when they take up their seats. "Granting you lands in the East aren't much of an obstacle in this instance, and assuming he could trust the Crown would uphold Lady Barbara's succession, much of his concerns would then rest upon the claims he's making on Blackwood lands." So we cut that knot. Lord Blackwood and Lord Bracken will agree to your proposal of formalized land rights along current boundaries, giving up all claims to lands on opposing sides of the Red Fork. Lord Hoster and Lady Catelyn are granted rich lands in the east and gather no spite from either House upon bearing their rival's name. You insure Lady Barbara's inheritance.
-[X] "This all presumes that Lord Blackwood doesn't need certain other assurances. I should hope not considering the brinksmanship here favors neither House with war on the horizon." You aren't sour. Honest.
Looks good, but I think the part in red can be removed entirely.
 
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