A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Goldfish
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I don't think we should have Relath take the Psion retraining. He would end up with shittier Sorcerer magic and low level psionic manifesting. Not worth it, IMO.
Done.
egoo
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I'm just more interested in immediate gains from upgrading Well of Souls with a bit more power, since we will get more captive Psionics and Aberrations once the war starts.
And we are highly unlikely to do our avaliable Psionic Research in next 2 to 4 months, anyway.
egoo
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[X] Lya immediately renews Nazath's Mind Blank via Wild Arcana.
-[X] Sacrifice it to the Merling King at once using the sacrificial dagger. We will ask for the Well of Souls to be further empowered in return for the sacrifice.
--[X] Sacrifice the Greater Intellect Devourer (Advanced by HD, Psion caster 13) as well, if it would improve the results from the Merling King's contribution to the Well of Souls.
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[X] Sacrifice it at once
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[X] Lya immediately renews Nazath's Mind Blank via Wild Arcana.
-[X] Sacrifice it to the Merling King at once using the sacrificial dagger. We will ask for the Well of Souls to be further empowered in return for the sacrifice.
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[X] Keep it as a training tool to train Psions
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[X] Golfish
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Precisely my concern. The good luck was unfortunately wasted on Relath, though the bonus feat is certainly nice.
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Fair enough, just wanted to say that it might have other uses then as a sacrifice.
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@Goldfish @egoo I agree with Azel on this one. This thing was originally intended for the Merling King, but now circumstances have changed pretty drastically since then. A CR 16 sacrifice isn't going to make that much of a difference in power compared to managing to get a stillborn Elder Brain which has to be CR 20-something.
This is the kind of test subject that would actually matter for researching psionics. It has thirteen levels of psion casting.
egoo
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We aren't going to finish that required research for months and months.
I refuse to let it lie in Larder for so long, while we can apply it instead for some more power against Tiamat.
There will be more, and better, test subjects.
Holding onto this one makes little sense.
EDIT: and cr16 is still quite a lot, even compared to Cr20-something.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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I agree with @egoo. We have a ton of other research options to work on, and we're likely to gain additional valid subjects in the coming months. Let's get as much out of this meeting with the Merling King as we can. If there is enough juice left over, there might be a boon involved, though I won't be holding my breath on that one.
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... It isn't just sitting in the Larder, dude. The research requires test subjects exactly like this if we want to do it at all. It research action was designed that way.
The power boost isn't going to be all that much better compared to what the Merling King will already get from a Stillborn Elder Brain, it's only CR 16.
The psionics research will go faster the more varied the test subjects. We're unlikely to face the same creatures over and over, and odds are in the heat of battle (especially with Azel back as a co-GM considering how that omake of Braavos invading Pentos went) it won't be a good idea to pause for capture, so I'm far less sure about getting more test subjects.
EDIT: Especially considering that apparently Elder Brains or Ulitharids close to it are powerful enough to go, "Surprise! You're a Brainstealer Dragon now!" if they're close enough.
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Wait did we capture the brainstealer dragon?
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Yes, you did.
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We got the Brainstealer Dragon and the Mind Worm.
Goldfish
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Fine, fine, extra sacrifice removed from the plan.
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@Azel, your avatar is literally the Devil. You have made a point of being an Evil bastard for years now. One of your favourite talking points in this quest has been "stop with the stupid but morally comfortable attitudes, you've already done worse !"Why is everyone remarking about their fond memories of me being an Evil Bastard?
Your quests have tags about it!
Your forum persona is more or less permanently set to "Evil Bastard" at this point.
[X] Goldfish
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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It's going to be all-out war.
Even in the worst-case situation, we'll be getting a lot of variety in psionic-capable corpses, and thanks to our Fungal Pods, Vee, and some support from Gith (books on basics of Psionics incoming next month), I'm sure we'll get Progress even if literally everythign dies.
Which is unlikely.
Captives will be happening, there's jsut too much varied fighting all around for them not to.
And yes, Azel being back here too terrifies me. Tiamat, Asmodeus and Illithids with him as co-dm... let's just say I'm mite bit nervous.
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Also, no, the RAs we have avaliable don't have anything specified about the corpses
Look into Jeyne's body as base. Further will be augmented by Gith giving us more lore, yes, but it isn't about making wide variety of Psionics avaliable, but safely unloking some Psionics as a start.
Sneks and Minddragons, nuff' saif.
Entirely unrelated to Abominations.
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Ye'r a traitor, Fishie.
*salts*
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*holds a bowl of fresh fries under @egoo's face*
Thank you.
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@TalonofAnathrax, this proves nothing!
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What was the plan with the latter again? I saw a few good abilities it had but I don't remember the greater plan there
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I missed the tags. 🤣 Now I have to go back and check.
First, corpses are okay, but they're not as good as live subjects. Second, it's not specified in the RA, but DP's word on the subject made it clear we get better results the more varied the test subjects.
This is the only one I'm interested in, and it's what the aberration psionic test subjects are meant to aid. We look in to Jeyne to see how she was made untainted, and then poke at aberrations to see how their power works as well.
This is admittedly superfluous and not a priority in the slightest.
This I'm looking forward to but you're right in that it doesn't require any aberrations.
Barring special projects I suppose it gets tossed into the Research Psionics pile.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Sorry.
What about sacrificing the Mind Worm along with the aborted Elder Brain?
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Huh. They don't seem to have survived the XenForo change. The "we're not evil just pragmatic" one is still there, however.
A shame. I remembered finding it amusing the first time.
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The Mind Worm unfortunately is equally valuable in psionics research.Sorry.
What about sacrificing the Mind Worm along with the aborted Elder Brain?
If you want a boost in the sacrifice, toss Lomor and his apprentice into the pile.
He's the Golden Company mage who made the warped Darkenbeast which was in so much pain that Vee had to put it out of its misery, and made her so angry she told Viserys she didn't want him recruited ever.
That's a shame.
egoo
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I just really, really hope we get good stuff out of eating Ymeri's Herald's heart.
WIth Relath having succeded where we stopped last time (becasue Viserys did the same thing, but chose not to push through into Elder Brain for lore. Luck favors those failing Wis-rolls, eh?), I'm feeling as if we are failing every time a power-up appears on the horizon (Brain, Tree... I'm sure there was more).
Dice is evil, I tell ya!
WIth Relath having succeded where we stopped last time (becasue Viserys did the same thing, but chose not to push through into Elder Brain for lore. Luck favors those failing Wis-rolls, eh?), I'm feeling as if we are failing every time a power-up appears on the horizon (Brain, Tree... I'm sure there was more).
Dice is evil, I tell ya!