I'm not concerned with Yss intentionally acting against us. I'm concerned with the Champion making things complicated. If we grant Yss wide latitude in how his duties may be fulfilled, Yss is free to accept bargains and sacrifices for the Champion's services that don't interfere with the "Prime Directive." For example, what if merchant captains realize that having a friendly, fuck-off tier sea serpent near their boats dramatically reduces the various risks associated with an ocean voyage? Paying tribute to Yss to adjust, or at the very least make public, the Champion's comings and goings could easily become a routine part of scheduling important voyages. Local markets will adjust in response to the existence of this new, premium 'insurance' service provided by Yss. We will have also inadvertently created a market incentive to catalogue and predict the Champion's comings and goings.

... until an Illithid raiding party captures a merchant vessel and extracts the information from the crew. Or an enemy mage is able to indirectly divine the Champion's movement by focussing on the flow of trade.

See where I'm going with this?

Not an inconsiderable concern... but the Champion is at the end of the day not ours. We're making use of its service indirectly by asking that it act in a certain capacity as part of our developing Pacts with Yss.

If Yss wants to risk it on some enterprise, I don't really think we should try limiting him, unless it could effect national security. To a degree, an enemy capturing or making the divine essence of the murderbeast into a powerful and dangerous artifact could be a danger, but it simply existing and performing under the capacity of a murderbeast is a risk then, not matter where it is placed. A very dedicated and persistent CR 20 tier enemy is going to find what they're looking for eventually, so therefore, it is probably wiser to just help secure it against attacks with assets that do things it isn't good at. It's already a power full-casting murderbeast, after all.
 
Mind you that attacks on divine champions are not trivial to pull off since it's very hard to shield them from divine foresight of the attacked deity. And if something attacked his Champion, Yss would immediately dial 555-TURTLER for some support.
 
Interlude DCXXVIII: Accursed Fate
Accursed Fate

Ninth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

If someone had asked Rina Cox a few days ago what the least magical place in the world was, she likely would have answered 'my father's study' before the question was half done. Yet here she was, listening to a tale of woe and witchery from a time before she was born when the world was smaller and the flame of magic dimmer. She did not for a moment doubt that They would still have been watching. They always were.

"Alren became stronger drinking the potion," he father continued his tale, his gaze growing distant and sad all at once. "He was never strong, you understand, but the cough stopped from that day on, and the chills. Come to think of it he would feel sicker in summer. There were days his stomach was so upset that he didn't touch food..."

The young sorceress felt a lurch in her own stomach at the words, sicking when it was warm, rejecting food that all living things need to survive. Had the witch cured her uncle, or simply laid an unseen shroud over him?

"Though he won his spurs squiring under old Lord Hawick and fought bravely in the War of the Ninepenny Kings he came back from the war ill at ease, he said the war didn't feel real to him, all the blood, shouting, and the madness, and for what? The great wars had already been fought and the great kings buried. What worth was it then to decide whose ass would sit upon the Iron throne, what color the cloth they would set above it?"

Rina had never heard her father speak thus, she could not imagine him doing so, but then these were not his words, but those of the long dead Alren Cox. "He wanted to be a hero like in the days of old," she said slowly. Remembering her own shade filled nights she added almost unwillingly. "He dreamed of it, didn't he?"

"How... how did you know?" her father asked, snapping back to the present. Thankfully there was no fear in his eyes, but bewilderment aplenty.

"Magic often comes to us in dreams, Princess Daenerys, Lord Justice Vanor, even the King. I've spoken to one who walked the path of magic in those days and the said that was as true then as it is now," she went on to explain, though holding Lady Melisandre's name back for now, not being entirely sure what words to use in the telling. "It is as though in dreams we become unstuck in time, we see what is, what was..."

"What is to come?" The question was spoken so softly as to be barely heard over the sound of branches scratching at the window outside.

"Not often, not with any certainty, but many things that are not friends to mankind might show the illusion of an unchanging path before one's feet to to make you walk it." Rina replied gently. "What did he see, father?"

"He would not tell me, he would not tell anyone really." He swallowed dryly, then reached for the pitcher of herbal tea, long since gone cold, but he did not seem to care. "After the war Alren spent less time in the training yard or in father's solar and more time with his books. We didn't have a maester so he just took over the tower, the library, no one gainsaid it, 'war changes folk' they all said, but it was a strange sort of change just the same. He would spend hours writing things so quick you would swear the parchment would tear, then the he would burn it. Other things too, it was never warm in the tower, the windows were always open and his window... well come on, I'll show you."

Rina got up and followed her lord father, down the steps of the tower and through the familiar corridors of the keep, past faded tapestries she used to hide behind as a girl and shields emblazoned with faded heraldry. She warded herself in a glamour against the eyes of passing servants, though wondering all the while if any of them would even know her now. Up the stairs they went, following the swaying lantern 'round and 'round. Oil sloshed on the stone.

"I can use magic," Rina offered somewhat hesitantly. She'd never cast a spell in her father's presence. It was one thing to hear of the unknown of sorcery, another to see it. He had not been untouched by its darker side.

"Yes, yes, of course," he waved her to do something. After a moment of staring at the pale light that kindled from her palm he continued up the stairs.

"Maester Vyman is away," her father explained, perhaps to fill the silence. She had assumed as much.

The door creaked open into a narrow dark room, the windows needing a good cleaning, the air slightly musty, though more with the smell of old onions than books and ink. As Rina moved to the shelves looking for any clue that may have been left over from her uncle's tenure, her father stood by the window and motioned outside. In the clear morning light one could easily see past bustling Saltpans and its walls of stone, to a hill shaded blue in the distance. Rina could just make out the shapes of dead leafless trees upon it.

"There is the hill your uncle wanted to be buried on," her father said, his voice strangely hollow. Turning around he pointed to a girder above Rina's head. "And there is the place he hung himself, looking out the window."

OOC: Still more characterization and buildup, it flowed reasonably well but the next one will be action.
 
Mind you that attacks on divine champions are not trivial to pull off since it's very hard to shield them from divine foresight of the attacked deity. And if something attacked his Champion, Yss would immediately dial 555-TURTLER for some support.
That sounds like a MirrorVision program begging to be made...

Dial T for Turtle
 
To be fair, it's a CR20 creature.
Champion of a God it may be, but sumply paying it enough to do something... may well be out of anyone's finances but us.

I really doubt it's comings and goings will be anywhat as easily predictable as described.

And, what Azel said too.
If something happens to that thing, us saving it is yet more good graces with Yss.
 
Not an inconsiderable concern... but the Champion is at the end of the day not ours. We're making use of its service indirectly by asking that it act in a certain capacity as part of our developing Pacts with Yss.

If Yss wants to risk it on some enterprise, I don't really think we should try limiting him, unless it could effect national security. To a degree, an enemy capturing or making the divine essence of the murderbeast into a powerful and dangerous artifact could be a danger, but it simply existing and performing under the capacity of a murderbeast is a risk then, not matter where it is placed. A very dedicated and persistent CR 20 tier enemy is going to find what they're looking for eventually, so therefore, it is probably wiser to just help secure it against attacks with assets that do things it isn't good at. It's already a power full-casting murderbeast, after all.
Is it not 'ours'? I think that is what is being disputed here. Protecting the waters of the realm is indisputably something which falls under the authority of the Crown. If Yss is going to assume a function in the Imperial government then shouldn't he be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else who is privileged with high office? Fundamentally, is it OK for military officers being allowed to profit from private contracts while on active duty?

It also puts us in the awkward position of favoring one god over the other, to the point of allowing the favored god to take over the domain typically associated with the disfavored god (i.e. the Merlin King might take Yss's expanded influence over the sea as a snub). We can pre-empt this by making it clear that Yss is enforcing purely mortal laws of our purely mortal empire, but that argument looses its teeth if we accept Yss's aid as a boon rather than a contracted service to the Crown. If the Champion's defense of mortals from the horrors that lurk in the ocean's depths is seen as an act of divine grace, it won't be long before sailors start worshipping Yss as a sea deity.
 
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Speaking of Yss' things, we never fed that undead coatl yet...
Don't we want it to become more powerful and breed?
 
Accursed Fate

Ninth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

If someone had asked Rina Cox a few days ago what the least magical place in the world was, she likely would have answered 'my father's study' before the question was half done. Yet here she was, listening to a tale of woe and witchery from a time before she was born, when the world was smaller, and the flame of magic dimmer. She did not for a moment doubt that They would still have been watching. They always were.

"Alren became stronger after drinking the potion," he father continued his tale, his gaze growing distant and sad all at once. "He was never strong, you understand, but the cough stopped from that day on, and the chills. Come to think of it, he would feel sicker in summer. There were days his stomach was so upset that he didn't touch food..."

The young sorceress felt a lurch in her own stomach at the words, growing sick when it was warm, rejecting food that all living things need to survive. Had the witch cured her uncle, or simply laid an unseen shroud over him?

"Though he won his spurs squiring under old Lord Hawick, and fought bravely in the War of the Ninepenny Kings, he came back from the war ill at ease. He said the war didn't feel real to him. All the blood, shouting, and the madness, and for what? The great wars had already been fought and the great kings buried. What worth was it then to decide whose ass would sit upon the Iron throne, what color the cloth they would set above it?"

Rina had never heard her father speak thus. She could not imagine him doing so, but then these were not his words, but those of the long dead Alren Cox. "He wanted to be a hero like in the days of old," she said slowly. Remembering her own shade-filled nights, she added almost unwillingly. "He dreamed of it, didn't he?"

"How... how did you know?" her father asked, snapping back to the present. Thankfully, there was no fear in his eyes, but bewilderment aplenty.

"Magic often comes to us in dreams, Princess Daenerys, Lord Justice Vanor, even the King. I've spoken to one who walked the path of magic in those days and they said that was as true then as it is now," she went on to explain, though holding Lady Melisandre's name back for now, not being entirely sure what words to use in the telling. "It is as though in dreams we become unstuck in time, we see what is, what was..."

"What is to come?" The question was spoken so softly as to be barely heard over the sound of branches scratching at the window outside.

"Not often, not with any certainty, but many things that are not friends to mankind might show the illusion of an unchanging path before one's feet to to make you walk it." Rina replied gently. "What did he see, father?"

"Alren would not tell me. He would not tell anyone, really." He swallowed dryly, then reached for the pitcher of herbal tea, long since gone cold, but he did not seem to care. "After the war, Alren spent less time in the training yard or in father's solar, and more time with his books. We didn't have a maester, so he just took over the tower and the library. No one gainsaid it. 'War changes folk', they reasoned, but it was a strange sort of change just the same. He would spend hours writing things so quick you would swear the parchment would tear, then the he would burn it. Other things, too, it was never warm in the tower, the windows were always open and his window... well come on, I'll show you."

Rina got up and followed her lord father, down the steps of the tower and through the familiar corridors of the keep, past faded tapestries she used to hide behind as a girl and shields emblazoned with half-forgotten heraldry. She warded herself in a glamour against the eyes of passing servants, though wondering all the while if any of them would even know her now. Up the stairs they went, following the swaying lantern 'round and 'round. Oil sloshed on the stone.

"I can use magic," Rina offered somewhat hesitantly. She'd never cast a spell in her father's presence. It was one thing to hear of the unknown of sorcery, another entirely to see it in person. He had not been untouched by its darker side.

"Yes, yes, of course," he waved her to do something. After a moment of staring at the pale light that kindled from her palm, he continued up the stairs.

"Maester Vyman is away," her father explained, perhaps to fill the silence. She had assumed as much.

The door creaked open into a narrow dark room. The windows needing a good cleaning and the air was slightly musty, though more with the smell of old onions than books and ink. As Rina moved to the shelves, looking for any clue that may have been left over from her uncle's tenure, her father stood by the window and motioned outside. In the clear morning light one could easily see past bustling Saltpans and its walls of stone, to a hill shaded blue in the distance. Rina could just make out the shapes of dead, leafless trees upon it.

"There is the hill your uncle wanted to be buried on," her father said, his voice strangely hollow. Turning around, he pointed to a girder above Rina's head. "And there is the place he hung himself, looking out the window."

OOC: Still more characterization and buildup, it flowed reasonably well but the next one will be action.
Made some edits to the chapter, DP.

The mystery grows stranger and stranger. This is great, DP.
 
Is it not 'ours'? I think that is what is being disputed here. Protecting the waters of the realm is indisputably something which falls under the authority of the Crown. If Yss is going to assume a function in the Imperial government then shouldn't he be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else who is privileged with high office? Fundamentally, is it OK for military officers being allowed to profit from private contracts while on active duty?

It also puts us in the awkward position of favoring one god over the other, to the point of allowing the favored god to take over the domain typically associated with the disfavored god (i.e. the Merlin King might take Yss's expanded influence over the sea as a snub). We can pre-empt this by making it clear that Yss is enforcing purely mortal laws of our purely mortal empire, but that argument looses its teeth if we accept Yss's aid as a boon rather than a contracted service to the Crown. If the Champion of Yss starts acting as safeguards for mortals as they cross the sea, it won't be long before sailors start worshipping Yss as a deity of the sea.
You're not making sense in regards to the domain thing. The Merling King is not a god of commerce. Yss is.
 
Is it not 'ours'? I think that is what is being disputed here. Protecting the waters of the realm is indisputably something which falls under the authority of the Crown. If Yss is going to assume a function in the Imperial government then shouldn't he be subject to the same restrictions as everyone else who is privileged with high office? Fundamentally, is it OK for military officers being allowed to profit from private contracts while on active duty?

It also puts us in the awkward position of favoring one god over the other, to the point of allowing the favored god to take over the domain typically associated with the disfavored god (i.e. the Merlin King might take Yss's expanded influence over the sea as a snub). We can pre-empt this by making it clear that Yss is enforcing purely mortal laws of our purely mortal empire, but that argument looses its teeth if we accept Yss's aid as a boon rather than a contracted service to the Crown. If the Champion's defense of mortals from the horrors that lurk in the ocean's depths is seen as an act of divine grace, it won't be long before sailors start worshipping Yss as a sea deity.
I think you are slightly overcomllicating the while thing.
I may be misreading you though, so...

Basically, we got complete control over Guardian Nagas', and their fealty, having recovered their bodies and fed Yss with HD.
He only resurrected them.

It stands to reason, that roughly same principles will apply to Champion Serpent - we are creating the CR15 creature in the fleshforge, and then Yss further empowers it.

We would be at least 50% in control of it, and that's before we count that we are also paying for Yss to apply his blessings to it.

The tasks?
Guarding the waters of PoB seems pretty straightforward to me, but personally, first and foremost it's a battering ram agaisnt the illithids.
If anyone wont mind both uses... that'd be Yss.

WHEN THE HECK DID AZEL COME BACK?

How come I didn't notice until now?

@Azel, welcome back you devil of a man. We missed you.
*does his best impression of Piccolo's voice*
Wait, we can talk about it?!
[:V]
 
Speaking of Yss' things, we never fed that undead coatl yet...
Don't we want it to become more powerful and breed?
*sigh*
Much as I'd have loved to, we haven't touched that yet, and aren't likely before the 1st month of next year at the earliest.

Honestly, between all the projects we have, I think that Char-Serpents, Valyrian Library, and another Snek-city stand as best delves in the 1-2 month-long period before we take on illithids but after we deal with Tiamat.

That is, if they dont attack immediately, so no real long-term planning for now.
 
WHEN THE HECK DID AZEL COME BACK?

How come I didn't notice until now?

@Azel, welcome back you devil of a man. We missed you.
Azel has been back for a while (you can find his latest posts easily with the search function), but we were trying to not make a fuss about it (considering the salt about why he left, etc).

However, now that we're doing this... @Azel, are you back as a lurker and player who sometimes drops canon omakes, or as an on-and-off QM ?
 
Speaking of Yss' things, we never fed that undead coatl yet...
Don't we want it to become more powerful and breed?
It's feeding by itself, and while we could make it stronger faster, us going looking for it would involve breaking its divination protections, so it's not a particularly good idea to do, until we have a whole lot of things to feed it.
*sigh*
Much as I'd have loved to, we haven't touched that yet, and aren't likely before the 1st month of next year at the earliest.

Honestly, between all the projects we have, I think that Char-Serpents, Valyrian Library, and another Snek-city stand as best delves in the 1-2 month-long period before we take on illithids but after we deal with Tiamat.

That is, if they dont attack immediately, so no real long-term planning for now.
Personally I want to do some basic exploration of the other Celestial realms, before we do the Char Serpent stuff, I know we probably wont be able to do anything huge there, but I would like an overview of the situation there, and I would really like to see if we can't set up a trade with a Fortress city in Nirvana, those are constantly under siege, so they must produce a lot of corpses, trading Plant creatures(unintelligent only of course) for the parts of the Illithid and Daemons they throw away, would be a nice way to get some profit, while showing the flag in the Celestial war.
 
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