Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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And she could just become a full BABe warrior-princess with a spell. Aren't Clerics grand?
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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And she could just become a full BABe warrior-princess with a spell. Aren't Clerics grand?
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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And if she's going to have a sword, there's no reason we couldn't eventually do some extra enchanting on it. A Defending or Guardian enchant, for example, would be very helpful (not just for Dany, but any of the Companions). Dancing, Spell Storing, etc., are nice, too.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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We don't have any reason to be able to access the Rampant template. I think we need to wait on that one.
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We can ask our Local Fey King for aid in finding one....for a price.
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Clerics, ugh.
Vinespawn need a size boost to threaten a kidnapping on Ulitharid.
I'm thinking Simple template: Giant and then Kingkiller referencing this line
Kingkiller's often seek, not only to kill and slay the ruler, but also other prominent members of the government, their allies and often despoiling the kingdom itself.
@Duesal Am I remembering correctly that we got the template from our unfortunate ancestor?
Total CR is 14 but we will likely only get 1 so it's worth filling out with another +1 CR.
Vinespawn need a size boost to threaten a kidnapping on Ulitharid.
I'm thinking Simple template: Giant and then Kingkiller referencing this line
Kingkiller's often seek, not only to kill and slay the ruler, but also other prominent members of the government, their allies and often despoiling the kingdom itself.
@Duesal Am I remembering correctly that we got the template from our unfortunate ancestor?
Total CR is 14 but we will likely only get 1 so it's worth filling out with another +1 CR.
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Ehh Kingkiller is a painful template to make as it has the addition requirement of needing a "king" to really die for them to be born. I wouldn't count on it.
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You remember correctly, we got Kingkiller from Baelor the Blessed.
Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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Iffy on using Kingkiller. What about Mighty instead?
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Yeah I would wait to hear from DP if we can get the variant Rampant otherwise it's not worth it.
With Lattices each 1000 would provide 142 optimally nutritious meals per day, while the raw food amount is only supplementary it should significantly bolster the wellness of the poorest sectors of our population as it's explicitly and magically everything you need in a meal, and as I said it would be a kickstart to a natural population that I hope to become a staple of our realm.
Each 500 would be 18,750IM can we drop 500 on each City we control? SD, Braavos, Pentos, Lys, Volantis and Myr?
If I'm the only one that sees benefit in this just drop it as it's a pricey thing to push through on my say so when it's all background non-combat impact.
Mighty is fantastic for taking out Medium sized threats but leaves it stuck at Large size and incapable of kidnapping Ulitharid. I'd definitely like to make 2-4 Mighty Vinespawn if we can fit it in.
The Kingkiller would be intended to be a singular bogeyman for the Ulitharid I think.
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Huh. I had no idea.
Agreed. Better not to risk it, Kingkiller is the sort of stuff one end a country with.
I'd rather not make them en-mass, and not against illithid of all people.
CR 15 is too little for one too, tbh.
I'll feel safe-ish with CR20 kinhkiller, but not 15.
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Definitely not en masse, there would be absolutely no justification for such things being so reproducible.
Can we go to CR20 with Flesh Forge?
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I agree with the concerns around Kingkiller.
It's very much a targeted überweapon that's very hard to direct properly, and even then it needs a hella strong chasis to be worth a damn.
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@Crake
Just kill the Lattices for now, it's too much hassle. I'll ask @DragonParadox what kind of numbers we need and for what effects we will get in provinces.
Just kill the Lattices for now, it's too much hassle. I'll ask @DragonParadox what kind of numbers we need and for what effects we will get in provinces.
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Would take some research and literal divine intervention if possible
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Current CR limit is CR 15. Upgrading the Flesh Forge is going to need a proper action.
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Hence directing it at Illithid, a strong heirarchial structure that is well defined and every single element of it a worthy target.
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Thank you all for patience with this, my actual paying work has definitely suffered but not my enjoyment.
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If we really wanted to we could have the target be the Elder Brain. Although as it was said it would have to CR20 for it to be worth it.
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That part won't be a concern.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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The only RAs we have concerning Flesh-Forges so far are the ones to bring the Lys' one up to speed.
Further upgrades...
I'm not sure if we even can do any.
Will certainly take a fair bit more.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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It just isn't powerful enough on any chassis we can make, to risk it, honestly.
What if they subvert it? Or otherwise confuse the poor thing?
They are objectively one of few factions better than Valyrians at fleshforging.
~CR20 we can stack up with specific anti-psionic and anti-illithid templates and be sure it's safe.
Making something of our current CR cap is just... risky :/
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The issue with Kingkiller is that you need a properly defined "King" to target it at, and even with the Elder Brain I'm not sure it's similar enough. If we're lucky a particularly powerful Ulitharid might qualify, or maybe an Aboleth Chronomacer. This is half on narrative mechanics, unfortunately.
That does make it a bit better. If DP lets us get away with this it would be fantastic.
If we made a Kingkiller monster I'd probably design it as a Mind-Flayer/Ulitharid hunter. The Elder Brain is a bit much to ever go after with a construct.
That's for the Fungus Forge of Lys, I was talking about the Flesh Forge of Gogossos. For the Flesh Forge there are two big ones.
1) Increase CR limit
2) Figure out how to make Seekers without resorting to twisting unborn babies
The latter is obviously way less urgent.
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ASwaH out of context: Not twisting unborn babies is not a priority.
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There are times I regret we can't go full mad science.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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Wait, are you implying you aren't always regretting that?!
[
]But for real, it is just too bad Illithid are just as good/better than us at fleshcrafting.
I would have loved unleashing some biological WMDs