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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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One Autumn Leaf said:
I imagine that at best they have managed to at least introduce conflict into our Seven Church. Unfortunately the other religions are a bit too influential.
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*sigh*

Honestly, I kinda hoped they did something incredibly stupid that we have no choice but to break their Church and finally get rid of their filthy existence for all eternity.

They're lucky my enmity is predominantly at R'hllor than the Seven Bint.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
*sigh*

Honestly, I kinda hoped they did something incredibly stupid that we have no choice but to break their Church and finally get rid of their filthy existence for all eternity.

They're lucky my enmity is predominantly at R'hllor than the Seven Bint.
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R'hllor, ironically, is going to be far, far easier to work with.

With the Imperium freeing slaves left and right, easily half his worshippers:
1. View us as Azor Ahai
2. Are no longer slaves and thus don't pray to R'hllor as a god of slaves, shaping him away from what he once was

The Seven on the other hand, while they don't have to be enemies, will be inherently more antagonistic.
 
The damn thing is, a war of rhetoric is one inherently in our favor ironically, despite being the "evil empire".

We are more Just than Lucan Longfield, who executed (murdered) men and women who had committed no crimes.
 
Deliste said:
I still don't see why we can't just move the tree.

Why is the fake necessary if we're already waiting to allow Stannis his perceived political distance from us? It's quite pointless.
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That's in the event that people want to rush the whole thing, which I believe isn't the best idea given how it would increase scrutiny on Stannis drastically. Right now we enjoy the benefit of nobody thinking Stannis would ever betray Robert since he's too stubborn in his sense of duty.
 
Cant we just make a show of it being struck by lightning or something? Would even make a good excuse why Stannis stared worshipping the Storm God. Could play it off as divine revelation of a God that hates the Old Gods.

Have Stannis worship the Storm Father while we build a temple and offer sacrifices to the Sky Father. Completely different Gods wink wink nudge nudge. Right Varys? Tell your King about it. Back him up Magister.
 
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Abhishek M said:
Cant we just make a show of it being struck by lightning or something? Would even make a good excuse why Stannis stared worshipping the Storm God. Could play it off as divine revelation of a God that hates the Old Gods.
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We don't want to publicize antagonism amongst our pantheon.

Just move it when it's necessary without the mummery to show the Old Gods are happy for the Storm God to have his homeland.
 
Stannis is rather mercantile in his own view of the Gods once he was convinced they were real. The Seven didn't do shit for him despite all he's been through, from losing his parents, to the Siege of Storm's End, to being foisted off on Dragonstone and having his birthright torn away from him.

The Storm God would actually value him commiserate to his actual worth and abilities, whereas to the Seven... one person is just one person. Their living or dying means nothing to them, all just pawns in a greater game.

That's an actual downside of the larger religions, TBH, they could easily lose followers to other Gods, since their behavior doesn't really cleave to the values necessary for prosperity, success or safety in a death world like AWoIaF. If the wider implications were known, that even faith is little protection to your immortal soul and it's all just one big coin toss, you would try to get some benefits out of the arrangement while you were still alive, too.

Well that or go mad with despair, really it's fifty/fifty.
 
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Deliste said:
We don't want to publicize antagonism amongst our pantheon.

Just move it when it's necessary without the mummery to show the Old Gods are happy for the Storm God to have his homeland.
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The Old Gods dont care about public opinion outside us. And the Storm God does hate them. Plus it is all summery. Course it wont get spread on our side.

Give Westros another God that can do something. Heh, he's already ours anyway. Just makes the subversion easier. An ally God against the heathens when they are the enemy and a ally God against the Cold when they are brought into the fold.
 
Abhishek M said:
The Old Gods dont care about public opinion outside us. And the Storm God does hate them. Plus it is all summery. Course it wont get spread on our side.

Give Westros another God that can do something. Heh, he's already ours anyway. Just makes the subversion easier. An ally God against the heathens when they are the enemy and a ally God against the Cold when they are brought into the fold.
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The Old Gods need to agree to move a tree, so yes they are allowing it.

The Storm God wants his homeland, he doesn't hate them.

Public opinion is for the public, I don't want people being antagonistic on the basis of belief.

Furthermore while the Old Gods do not accept worship plenty of our pantheon does, so public belief in the unity of the pantheon will cause unity of the pantheon.

The Stormlands will be ours and the locals know the history of the place so yes the narrative will spread to our people and indeed will start with our people.

A fake tree doesn't make any of this easier in any way at all and is just mummery for the sake of it.
 
G'morning

@Crake, mind adding Honeyed Tongue for an effect of "roll 2 dices every time Diplomacy check is made- take highest result" to the plan?

No such thing as too much buffs.
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Great work with the plan, really.

I'm not sure if getting another MR so soon after the last one... but whatever, it's definitely up to DP.

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I'm also not sure if I should really add fucking around with that Maid's head, y'all.
Even as a joke, that... seems just too pretty.

Wisps are at least a danger to travelers, and killed people out of malice.
She's just a fuck-up.
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@Crake, any additions to MAs?
I dare to assume you already laid an eye upon some Westerosi to convert now.
 
Deliste said:
The Old Gods need to agree to move a tree, so yes they are allowing it.

The Storm God wants his homeland, he doesn't hate them.

Public opinion is for the public, I don't want people being antagonistic on the basis of belief.

Furthermore while the Old Gods do not accept worship plenty of our pantheon does, so public belief in the unity of the pantheon will cause unity of the pantheon.

The Stormlands will be ours and the locals know the history of the place so yes the narrative will spread to our people and indeed will start with our people.

A fake tree doesn't make any of this easier in any way at all and is just mummery for the sake of it.
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Alright then. Go full bullshit and just publically steal the thing? Make em think we are stealing the Storms Ends famous tourist spots one by one just to fuck with Robert?

egoo said:
I'm also not sure if I should really add fucking around with that Maid's head, y'all.
Even as a joke, that... seems just too pretty.
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Definetly dont. You'd give the woman a heart attack and then we'd have to pay for the resurrection.
 
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@Crake, there s also this buff, albeit minor:
ADORATION
School enchantment [emotion, mind-affecting]; Level bard 1, sorcerer/wizard 2, witch 2
Casting Time 1 standard action
Components V, S
Range close (25 ft. + 5 ft./2 levels)
Target one creature
Duration 1 minute/level
Saving Throw Will negates (harmless); Spell Resistance yes
The target of this spell is the subject of adoration by those whom it tries to affect with Diplomacy or during performance combat. If the target is out of combat, it receives a +2 morale bonus on all Diplomacy checks it makes to influence creatures. If the creature is engaged in performance combat (see page 153), the target gains a +2 morale bonus on all performance combat checks.
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Deliste said:
The Old Gods need to agree to move a tree, so yes they are allowing it.

The Storm God wants his homeland, he doesn't hate them.

Public opinion is for the public, I don't want people being antagonistic on the basis of belief.

Furthermore while the Old Gods do not accept worship plenty of our pantheon does, so public belief in the unity of the pantheon will cause unity of the pantheon.

The Stormlands will be ours and the locals know the history of the place so yes the narrative will spread to our people and indeed will start with our people.

A fake tree doesn't make any of this easier in any way at all and is just mummery for the sake of it.
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The idea behind planting the fake was, that we are trying to bring Stormy back to speed as fast as we can, while not antagonizing Old Gods, and not revealing Stannis to more scrutiny.

To start empowering him we need but:
1) move the tree
2) Turn Stannis.

Objectively, by putting a fake up in, say, 12th month, we'll get several months of a headstart on that, and people of Westeros would be none the wiser that we switched the tree - as such, Stannis will remain safe(ish) on that front
 
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