Considering what we know of afterlife mechanics, chances are Jon Arryn refused to come back because he's in the Seven's afterlife, which is probably nice. If he'd not made it there he'd be eager to come back, what with the other options for him being mostly the lower planes and their subsidiaries. In any case, no point messing around with him, he's just not a major factor anymore.
 
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I bet the Rakshasa Tyene discovered is the women's ally, or at least she believes that to be the case. There's no telling what it's actual agenda is.
 
I bet the Rakshasa Tyene discovered is the women's ally, or at least she believes that to be the case. There's no telling what it's actual agenda is.

It's apparently rare that Rakhasa act as free agents, since summoning them automatically starts a contested Save vs. Soul Sucking roll vs. the Bloodstone Emperor. Which given what we know about Planar mechanics is utter fucking bullshit, in hindsight.

So it's actually 100% guaranteed to be in the service to the Bloodstone Emperor.

And you don't "cut a deal" with that mambajamba, like he said, he doesn't make deals, he takes tribute. Not an entity you bargain with, even less so than Baator, who you can at least get how much you're being fucked over in writing with.
 
Also, I know that Ghiscar is "dealing" with the Tiger Devils, but let's be real, they're gifting thousands of slaves to them in exchange for protectorate status and aid against enemies that Shady Jewels wants to kill anyway.
 
It's apparently rare that Rakhasa act as free agents, since summoning them automatically starts a contested Save vs. Soul Sucking roll vs. the Bloodstone Emperor. Which given what we know about Planar mechanics is utter fucking bullshit, in hindsight.

So it's actually 100% guaranteed to be in the service to the Bloodstone Emperor.

And you don't "cut a deal" with that mambajamba, like he said, he doesn't make deals, he takes tribute. Not an entity you bargain with, even less so than Baator, who you can at least get how much you're being fucked over in writing with.
I doubt it's that absolute.

I mean, you can propably make a deal, as long as that deal starts with a big tribute to the big man.
Less seductive than Hell, but if it were impossible no Rakshasa would ever get summoned in the wide world, and that's just wasting a vector to get agents and infiltrators out there.
 
*awakens*
*is sleehpy*
[] Visit your uncle again. You have things to talk about, and people to scheme against.
-[] Specifically visit the Mindblanked god-cave, some of the subjects of the discussion are too important to be left to chance, mind-link or not.

-[] Try to learn if there are any other Ancient Weirwoods that Old Gods remember about, which can be revived similarly to Tree of Age of Dawn. Divination as usual.
--[] Also ask whether OGs seek any particular places of interest where raising a Heart Tree will be in our shared interest.

-[] Ask about Boltons. Their house is said to go way, way back, and unsavory as some practices may be, you are more interested in knowing if you have to keep them and Old Gods away from each-other.
-[] Ask him what his plan was for the Heart Trees that will inevitably be stranded beyond the Wall, completely defenseless and all but easy prey once Winter comes in earnest.
-[] Ask about OGs ability to grow/create a vessel for a Wish spell, not unlike the one Tiamat granted for Shadow Dragon... and how much would it cost/how long would it take.

-[] Ask for his/OG's understanding on what would happen if:
--[] We attempt to grow a Weirwood in the Dreamlands.
--[] We attempt to sacrifice the king of the fey court. Would the Old Gods take control or would the court dissolve?
--[] We sacrifice a Lord of Hell to the Old Gods.
-[] Ask OGs what other gods existed in the early age of man, other than the Storm Lord and Mother Earth.
-[] Ask Bloodraven on the current state of affairs in Westeros - how things are going in King's Landing, Lannisters, Robert, reaction of the public to recent events, etc.
--[] Ask if he found any troublesome rumors about the rat-creatures we know to live beneath King's Landing. We left them in peace for now, since Inquisition had more important matters to attend to - but they are still an unknown element, and we wish to know if they are deserving of an immediate action.
-[] AQ:AD (Additional Questions: Ask @Duesal)
Here's all we have insofar as questioning uncle goes.

Posting in case I sleep through tomorrow's voting (my sleep schedule got even more fucked last few days).
 
I doubt it's that absolute.

I mean, you can propably make a deal, as long as that deal starts with a big tribute to the big man.
Less seductive than Hell, but if it were impossible no Rakshasa would ever get summoned in the wide world, and that's just wasting a vector to get agents and infiltrators out there.
Then why would random summon#17097575 result in Immediate Save or Die despite Mindblank but lucky Tom, Dick and or Harry get to grovel a bit and get a contract out of it?

Edit: Also, the result of summoning Shadow Tor and not dying to Soul Sucking was him being unbound by the hierarchy he was originally part of. One posits, then, that this is an inextricable part of their beings, and the reasoning for why a Save or Die is enacted by Shady Jewels. To keep his minions from becoming completely free agents.
 
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Then why would random summon#17097575 result in Immediate Save or Die despite Mindblank but lucky Tom, Dick and or Harry get to grovel a bit and get a contract out of it?

Edit: Also, the result of summoning Shadow Tor and not dying to Soul Sucking was him being unbound by the hierarchy he was originally part of. One posits, then, that this is an inextricable part of their beings, and the reasoning for why a Save or Die is enacted by Shady Jewels. To keep his minions from becoming completely free agents.
Different idea.

We tried a Planar Binding, the spell where the called fiend doesn't get a choice, only a willsave to get sucked in by the summoning.
Meanwhile Planar Ally is, as the name implies, a friendly invitation to the summoned creature.

Maybe he only reacts if people try to steal his minions by the first, but not if the call for help with the second?
 
Different idea.

We tried a Planar Binding, the spell where the called fiend doesn't get a choice, only a willsave to get sucked in by the summoning.
Meanwhile Planar Ally is, as the name implies, a friendly invitation to the summoned creature.

Maybe he only reacts if people try to steal his minions by the first, but not if the call for help with the second?

Possible? But functionally what is the difference mechanically between the two?
 
I can't look up spell effects behind these Catholic organizational firewalls. And one brings in an Outsider up to X HD whom you can bargain with. But what stops you from Baleful Polymorphing the fucker anyway?
Nothing if you don't have a god or are summoning evil.

I assume if you did so for Raksha you would get on the emps shit list eventually.
 
I can't look up spell effects behind these Catholic organizational firewalls. And one brings in an Outsider up to X HD whom you can bargain with. But what stops you from Baleful Polymorphing the fucker anyway?

Planar Ally is you asking and making a tribute. Also, you do not pick what is called, the Power (Deity/Archfiend/Vestige/Empyreal Lord/Elder Evil/e.t.c) does. Expect probable consequences for your spellcasting if acting in bad faith.

Planar Binding has no component cost (no tribute), nor is it limited by alignment or anyone gating you.
Rips exactly what you want out of the aether, to appear before you. Unlike Planar Ally, it also has a save to resist.
 
Planar Ally is you asking and making a tribute. Also, you do not pick what is called, the Power (Deity/Archfiend/Vestige/Empyreal Lord/Elder Evil/e.t.c) does. Expect probable consequences for your spellcasting if acting in bad faith.

Planar Binding has no component cost (no tribute), nor is it limited by alignment or anyone gating you.
Rips exactly what you want out of the aether, to appear before you. Unlike Planar Ally, it also has a save to resist.
Thank you, that was succinct and answered my initial question.
 
I can't look up spell effects behind these Catholic organizational firewalls. And one brings in an Outsider up to X HD whom you can bargain with. But what stops you from Baleful Polymorphing the fucker anyway?
Greater Planar Ally is the Divine version of the spell. It always Summons a willing subject who you can ask to perform a single task or bargain with for longer service. It also costs XP.

Greater Planar Binding, the Arcane version, is forceful, requires overcoming the subject's Will and Spell Resistance, and needs additional preparation if you don't want to die messily or just have your new Summon escape immediately, such as inverted Magic Circles, Dimensional Anchor effects, etc. And you still have to overcome it once it is Summoned to make it obey. It doesn't cost XP.

Greater Planar Ally in this case probably feeds the XP directly to the Shadow Emperor, or whatever his name is, thus renting the services of his minion while further empowering him.
 
@Duesal sorry to bother you, but I have finished the Tourney arc, and I thought part of the reason for the Tourney was to select the guards for the Sept but I could not find a list of the knights that chose to serve, were they chosen later, did I miss an information post or did i fail reading comprehension (unpossibles!)?.
 
Interlude DXLXI: A Covenant of Necessity
A Covenant of Necessity

Eighteenth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Tyene Sandviper had never desired another arcane talents for her own—not Lya's ever expanding collection of lore, not Dany's vast trove of stolen spells, not even Viserys' power to sunder mountains—but standing there unseen before a foreign shrine, meeting the eyes of one who could as easily be an ally or a deadly rival, she dearly wished she had Garin's power to meddle in the memories of others. Five minutes would be more than enough to know for certain, to bind Mei Lin in chains of light, to lay upon her a curse of silence and another to weaken her will, and then to pick through her thoughts for the truth.

The sorceress shook herself. Have I grown so dependent on magic that I cannot judge for myself, so used to being wrapped in arcane protections that I can no longer take a chance? She had been sent here as much for her judgement as much as for her magic, and by that judgement she would choose.

In a moment that seemed to stretch out unnaturally but was barely twenty heartbeats long, she looked back on what they had learned about the senior concubine over the past two weeks, not rumors, but word from the eunuchs who knew her well. Ambitious, clever, does not shy from a fight but does not start one without provocation or a clear goal in mind, content to give her foes rope to hang themselves with...

The headdress shifted. Gold clinked against gold. She was whispering something too low to hear.

With a thought Tyene shifted the magic bound into her mind and soul, the words still faint but clear: "...grant me peace from these nightmares and visions of madness. If the end of the Golden Empire is truly upon us then I will not strike the first mournful note. Not even for him." Her eyes will filled with pain not guilt. A gamble...

Before she could second-guess herself, the Dornishwoman drew lines in the air, her voice rising in a spell. The glamour rippled around her but it held. Garin was no novice in the grafting of glamours. The 'dagger' was bound in threads of light stronger than Adamantine, torn from Mei Lin's hair even as it transformed into a writhing serpent with its dreadfully human eyes.

"I would speak with you, my lady, but not in the presence of spies that defile this hallowed place," Tyene spoke quickly, using as few words as she dared to try and reassure her before a cry for help could alert the guards.

"Kami?" the word was a gasp of surprise and for a moment Tyene was tempted for she was skilled in the crafting of glamours and had read enough lore of the local guardian spirits to project the form of one. Better to begin this as she meant to carry on.

Dispelling the veil she bowed hastily, somewhat lower than her station would require, but now was not the time to be punctilious about the royal heritage of House Martel. "No guardian spirit am I, only a traveler from far off lands."

"But... you cannot, he will know, he will come for me," the woman said, clinging to her composure by sheer stubbornness.

"It was forced upon you?" Worse than she had hoped but better than she had feared, the sorceress concluded. The fear and disgust in Mei Lin's voice was not false, else she was the greatest mummer Tyene had ever seen.

"Yes, to ensure I did not tell holy man or cultivator of the soul of rot that spreads ever closer to the Son of Heaven. He is coming, you must run or hide as you were before..."

Tyene was touched by the unexpected altruistic impulse, nothing she had been told of this woman would have led her to believe she would be inclined to ward a stranger in the face of peril, but the last thing she was inclined to do was flee. "Who is this foe and when do you expect him?"

"Kai Gang Ru, the Vice Minister for Revenue. He would not dare cross the threshold of the temple, but his servants do not fear holy things for they take pleasure in defiling them..." The woman trailed off, noticing that Tyene had already turned her attention to the still bound Fiend. "What are you doing?"

"Looking through its mind to learn more of its master," Tyene answered absently. "There's some good news to be had, he was not looking through the spy's eyes. It has no way to send word back since it has been bound, and it is not scheduled to report back for three more days..."

"Who are you to walk through the mind of a dark spirit so lightly..." From her tone it seemed as though the woman was beginning to have doubts about the wisdom of trusting aid unlooked for.

Tyene was about to explain that the creature before her was petty indeed as fiends were counted, but spell-wrought intuition stilled her tongue. "I am one who very much needs to know what I have walked in on. Better to take a small risk now than the greater risk of the unknown."

The admission of weakness calmed Mei Lin as nothing else before had done. This was a woman who was used to being in charge and would take poorly to being wholly in the power of yet another mage, but now she seemed to have found her footing. "If what you say is true then we yet have time to seek out more allies to proclaim Kai Ru's treachery before the throne and see him executed."

"A good thought, and one which aligns with my own purpose and my lord, who is King in the far west beyond the Gates of Qarth, who sent me and others of his most trusted confidants to offer warning and counsel to the Son of Heaven in these dark times." Under other circumstances that would have been a shamefully curt proclamation given its gravity, but time was short.

Thank you, you Fiend-binding son of a bitch, Tyene thought, keeping back a smile as Mei Lin nodded resolutely.

OOC: Well, you have your audience. The question now is do you want to leave it to your emissaries or try to go in person from the start, actually that could be part of the current vote if you guys like.
 
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Another great Yi Ti interlude and personally think we should leave this to our companions since they have done well so far.

Also this event will not only get us a meeting with emperor but get us on his good side and see some of their magic users in action against a traitor.
 
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