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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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One Autumn Leaf said:
Oh wow. that means that we can play the game of "Who wants to be king/our vassal" very easily here. Supply a few warlords here, promise protection there and bang! vassals in Yi-ti.
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Yep. :) Ideally we find a whole bunch of new supernatural minions as well.

But yeah, one of our priorities is to make sure the Valyrian Dragon Eggs held by the Azure Emperor don't fall into the hands of the Golden Company. That would be... less than ideal.
TalonofAnathrax said:
Be aware that they have a Viserys analogue too. He's far weaker and he isn't a Dragon, but he is going around reuniting things and being the rightful ruler !
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And we'll recruit him too! :evil:
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Be aware that they have a Viserys analogue too. He's far weaker and he isn't a Dragon, but he is going around reuniting things and being the rightful ruler !
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Great. Make a coalition to the North of him if he becomes too much of an issue. Otherwise recruit him as. a governor of the region he currently control and let that be the end of it. He can join us or his empire can go the way of the Qing Dynasty.

Edit: Wait never mind. We promised Yrael about the whole "peaceful acquisition".
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Bloody politics, zombie plague wrecking it all but people still politicking...

So it's basically an Asian knockoff of Game of Thrones, right? :D
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I wouldn't call it that.
The entire thing starts because the king does a typically king thing and decides he wants to live forever, so his court doctor tries for some kind of miracle syrum. It did not turn out well, and the king becomes the first zombie. The infection spreads from him, and the first person he kills dies and is carted off with his poor relatives unaware that they're carting off a zombie. Afterwards the court intrigues basically spell doom for the entire kingdom as the second-queen's family does their level best to keep the zombie!king a secret and retain control of the throne, while the crown prince is running around in the countryside with his loyal bodyguard trying to salvage the disaster. In a way if you squint it resembles GoT, but it's very different, and isn't horrendously disappointing.
 
Duesal said:
I wouldn't call it that.
The entire thing starts because the king does a typically king thing and decides he wants to live forever, so his court doctor tries for some kind of miracle syrum. It did not turn out well, and the king becomes the first zombie. The infection spreads from him, and the first person he kills dies and is carted off with his poor relatives unaware that they're carting off a zombie. Afterwards the court intrigues basically spell doom for the entire kingdom as the second-queen's family does their level best to keep the zombie!king a secret and retain control of the throne, while the crown prince is running around in the countryside with his loyal bodyguard trying to salvage the disaster. In a way if you squint it resembles GoT, but it's very different, and isn't horrendously disappointing.
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So the plot of FMA but with undead mistakes rather than Kingdom disappears mistakes.
 
@A_Somebody thanks for the very detailed post I'lldefinitly have to think about how to create a echo of Confucianism and how magic fits into that... there's a lot to do but I have a feeling I'll have fun covering it.
 
Duesal said:
I wouldn't call it that.
The entire thing starts because the king does a typically king thing and decides he wants to live forever, so his court doctor tries for some kind of miracle syrum. It did not turn out well, and the king becomes the first zombie. The infection spreads from him, and the first person he kills dies and is carted off with his poor relatives unaware that they're carting off a zombie. Afterwards the court intrigues basically spell doom for the entire kingdom as the second-queen's family does their level best to keep the zombie!king a secret and retain control of the throne, while the crown prince is running around in the countryside with his loyal bodyguard trying to salvage the disaster. In a way if you squint it resembles GoT, but it's very different, and isn't horrendously disappointing.
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huh I got the impression that the Emperor died naturally of smallpox. The second queen (the first queen died a while ago with no kids and the main character is the son of a concubine but the only living son so...) and her dad came up with a hail Mary attempt to keep the emperor "alive" long enough for the queen to give birth to a noble blooded son.
 
Duesal said:
I wouldn't call it that.
The entire thing starts because the king does a typically king thing and decides he wants to live forever, so his court doctor tries for some kind of miracle syrum. It did not turn out well, and the king becomes the first zombie. The infection spreads from him, and the first person he kills dies and is carted off with his poor relatives unaware that they're carting off a zombie. Afterwards the court intrigues basically spell doom for the entire kingdom as the second-queen's family does their level best to keep the zombie!king a secret and retain control of the throne, while the crown prince is running around in the countryside with his loyal bodyguard trying to salvage the disaster. In a way if you squint it resembles GoT, but it's very different, and isn't horrendously disappointing.
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Surprise plot twist the Zombie thing isnt originally contagious or people didnt know that it could be atleast. The zombie thing was how the father in law gets controlled of people. The people original Zombies bite just die....but if somebody eats the meat of those that dies this way they suddenly turn into the plague version.

Also I liked the series, saw it all which is more than I can say for Game of Thrones. I'll be honest never could stand to watch more than an episode or two even of the "good" seasons. I just know it from reading wiki to help understand this quest.

Also FMA Brotherhood is a treasure. Too good to be compared with these Netflix or Hollywood soaps!
 
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D&D has two asian-mage base vlasses, right?

Shugenja and Wu-Jen or something like that.

Never looked into those in detail, I wonder if they work well in fluff.
 
Sorry for the double post but I think this warrants it's own post.

GUYS WE REALLY NEED TO GIVE STANNIS THE HEADS UP ON BALKINIZATION. Seriously, it's gonna be a big deal. What're we reducing his lands down to again?
 
A_Somebody said:
huh I got the impression that the Emperor died naturally of smallpox. The second queen (the first queen died a while ago with no kids and the main character is the son of a concubine but the only living son so...) and her dad came up with a hail Mary attempt to keep the emperor "alive" long enough for the queen to give birth to a noble blooded son.
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It's been a while, but I definitely remember that it was the doctor's fault.
Abhishek M said:
Surprise plot twist the Zombie thing isnt originally contagious or people didnt know that it could be atleast. The zombie thing was how the father in law gets controlled of people. The people original Zombies bite just die....but if somebody eats the meat of those that dies this way they suddenly turn into the plague version.

Also I liked the series, saw it all which is more than I can say for Game of Thrones. I'll be honest never could stand to watch more than an episode or two even of the "good" seasons. I just know it from reading wiki to help understand this quest.

Also FMA Brotherhood is a treasure. Too good to be compared with these Netflix or Hollywood soaps!
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Right, there was that. There was a massive, massive famine that the imperial court was studiously ignoring, which drove the countryfolk to desperation.
Artemis1992 said:
D&D has two asian-mage base vlasses, right?

Shugenja and Wu-Jen or something like that.

Never looked into those in detail, I wonder if they work well in fluff.
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Plenty of fascinating eastern monsters as well.
 
Incarnum is surprisingly cool. I'm not an expert on it or anything, but the system isn't bad (the book is just poorly written, with key rules hidden in random places).

ToB is confirmed, but has DP given word on Incarnum classes?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Incarnum is surprisingly cool. I'm not an expert on it or anything, but the system isn't bad (the book is just poorly written, with key rules hidden in random places).

ToB is confirmed, but has DP given word on Incarnum classes?
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No Incarnum, please. That book is awful and thatst just what I remember from skimming it years ago.

We don't need another magic system tacked on to the one we already have.
 
DragonParadox said:
@A_Somebody thanks for the very detailed post I'lldefinitly have to think about how to create a echo of Confucianism and how magic fits into that... there's a lot to do but I have a feeling I'll have fun covering it.
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Aw thanks, but I do feel obligated to say you should probably take a quick glance at the "Doctrines" section of the Confucinism page on Wikipedia since it does show more how Confucinism is supposed to work as opposed to my tbh salt tainted sourness towards the idea of unthinking fillial piety. But another thing is that I would not be surprised, based on irl things, if Yi Ti was even worse to women than Westeros was. Two Points:

1. Foot Binding. It's a sign of status when you can afford to cripple half of your working population! As shitty as arranged marriges in Westeros can be, there's no systematic mutilation of noble ladies! Yeah no way Arya's water dancing with feet small enough to fit in a man's hand (this was the "ideal" size). There's also the fashion trend were woman were encouraged to grow/maintain super long nails. Long enough to the point where they'd need other people to do things for them, like feed.
2. Westeros does have instances of women holding noble titles in their own right. See Sheila Whent and Arwyn Oakheart. This...is not at all acceptable under Confucian principles where the male patriarch is the supreme leader of the household. See Empress WuZiTian. While she wasn't some paragon as far as I can tell, a lot of the really really negative histories of her come from Confucian scholars appaled at the fact some woman seized power instead of gracefully stepping down for her son.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Incarnum is surprisingly cool. I'm not an expert on it or anything, but the system isn't bad (the book is just poorly written, with key rules hidden in random places).

ToB is confirmed, but has DP given word on Incarnum classes?
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Goldfish said:
No Incarnum, please. That book is awful and thatst just what I remember from skimming it years ago.

We don't need another magic system tacked on to the one we already have.
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I'm somewhat inclined against incarnum simply because I do not think I can do another system justice. Psionics is already tricky enough for me.
 
Azel said:
Alright, then I'm fine with giving that area to the Rikkers. There will be plenty of traitor houses to make sure old Brune get his just rewards.

Eh... I'm kinda expecting undead Ironborn when we bring a dragon there. Or some left-over squid-fuckery in the cellars.

Well, if Reynald is here, might as well do it now.

- Dragonstone and Driftmark stay under direct Imperial rule
- Tarth taken from the Stormlands since it's a juicy island linking up our other islands
- incidentally, in this plan, we have absolute control over the Narrow Sea and the major shipping routes, even more so then before
- renamed some stuff:
-- Bay of Crabs -> Greater Darry
-- Oceanlands -> Red Lake
-- Dragonstone -> Northern Crownlands
-- Crownlands -> Southern Crownlands
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A fully updated, most recent map. Good luck.

Azel said:
Maybe like this?
That would be Umbers to the north-east, The Neck under Reed in the south and probably the Tallharts in the west.
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Further Northern divisions. Again It is a mess either way.
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Great. Make a coalition to the North of him if he becomes too much of an issue. Otherwise recruit him as. a governor of the region he currently control and let that be the end of it. He can join us or his empire can go the way of the Qing Dynasty.

Edit: Wait never mind. We promised Yrael about the whole "peaceful acquisition".
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We promised Yrael no conquest for conquests sake, conquering to stop evil is fine, but conquering something just because we want it, is a step towards becoming just another greedy tyrant.
 
tarrangar said:
We promised Yrael no conquest for conquests sake, conquering to stop evil is fine, but conquering something just because we want it, is a step towards becoming just another greedy tyrant.
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We are a greedy tyrant though...

Still, let's not be inefficient about it. PR matters, and rebellions suck. We can pull a EU and make the Brits beg to be let in simply by being richer, happier and stronger, and all the while gobbling up their former colonies and holdings (or at least their markets).
And then when they try to enter, we pull a De Gaulle and play hard to get :D
 
Before any plans with the Kingdom we need to see what the situation looks like. For all we know the good emperor isn't all too good and al this is a play for personal power and what not. Also if this guy asks us to kowtow what is the plan?
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Before any plans with the Kingdom we need to see what the situation looks like. For all we know the good emperor isn't all too good and al this is a play for personal power and what not. Also if this guy asks us to kowtow what is the plan?
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We will laugh and then leave.

We are not fucking kowtowing.

If he has the audacity to demand that of us then that's confirmation that he's too stupid to rule. And then we give our support to someone else to rule Yi Ti as a province of the Imperium.

My god, I can't even imagine the balls it would take to ask Viserys to kneel much less demand that he prostrate himself.
 
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