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- Canada (eh)
I'm next to you guys, and tariff man still has tariffs in Canada for some reason. Had interesting effects on the financial markets tho.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- a song of ice and fire a sword without a hilt d&d 3.5 dungeons & dragons 100% high octane dragon fuel ave corvidae battle action dragon diplomacy best sister bureaucromancy delicious soul-stuff dragon dreams come true dragon ta'veren greatest uncle hubris is a coward's word in defiance of gods and men mammon's folly mutually assured mage's disjunction qm murderhobo top tier coatl
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"I've fired the horse catcher."
That's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
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Write a crack interlude at Viserys being the headmaster of a university that Lucan teaches at and Danelle goes tooThat's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
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Also yeah. Secret police+art tends to end poorly.
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That's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
On a side note I certainly wouldn't complain about a nice looting interlude... Has the Trade Fleet stumbled across anything interesting? Has Wyla found anything in Sothoryos? Riz'Neth? Saan?
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- Canada (eh)
Well we can always hire trolls to print fake news and shitpost to drown out the dangerous stuff instead. Works for the internet.That's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
Evaunit02mark1
S-s-smell the Prey, S-s-start the Hunt.
That's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
Hey feel free to keep talking. I'm learning things here and I always enjoy that.
Then we'll lecture them on what excessive censorship does to us (actually encourage more sedition and treason, not to mention a thriving black market of banned material), much like how we'll lecture them on not kicking around dangerous cultists for the lulz because it'll get them killed one day when the cultist turns out to have poisonous blood or something.That's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
Instilling professionalism into government agencies is going to be a constant struggle apparently, if they can't grasp this on their own, but we really need to do it so we will.
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I stand by my statement that capturing and kidnapping them was something we could have used. Was it right? No. Could we have been better? Yes. Would I do it again for the sake of information? No but only because they were level 9 and level 6. They wouldn't know anything important. If we had done more to keep an eye of Lucan and done better info-sec we would have approached it different.
Also @DragonParadox I am assuming that these mages are in the middle of the power totem pole. Am I correct?
Also @DragonParadox I am assuming that these mages are in the middle of the power totem pole. Am I correct?
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
Which is why they only get to keep watch not actively interfere without orders, their job will be to pre-read anything being mass produced, but they only get to straight up ban it if it's explicitly magical, if it's not totally clear that this is the work of evil, then they will be required to take it to a separate branch of the government for review, this branch purpose, being to make sure that only dangerous information is being censured, not everything critical of the government.That's fair but if you make it the job of the secret police to censure the press (the people whose job is also to stop treason and sedition) they are very likely become over-zealous.
In the balance of freedom and security there is no perfect state.
And now I'm lecturing OOC about stuff I learned in uni.
I really need to get back to an interlude or something
If you're mass producing pamplets with mind-control, then the inquisition can and will arrest you, but if you are writing a book that is simply critical of the government, then the inquisition is not actually supposed to interfere, and the most they can legally do, is hold it back a month or 2 by sending it though vetting processes(of course they can be corrupt and fake a mind control enchantment on the books, but then again, they can also pretend someone they deem insufficiently loyal is a cultist, and arrest them, but both of those are things they aren't allowed to do, and things they will very much be punished for when it's discovered)
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Just watch the news. Hint: that bad bad internet that helps bad people and the need for surveillance and restrictions. For example.
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@DragonParadox @Azel
Would the phoenixes be willing to provide grafts (I assume those injuries can be healed?) In exchange for the future praetorians volunteering at their orphanages?
it was mentioned that the upgrades could have a dehumanizing effect? Which working with and around children could help mitigate. As well as being a less direct form of psychological screening.
If I can't trust someone to be around kids for any length of time I don't want them to have super powers.
It's a thought.
Would the phoenixes be willing to provide grafts (I assume those injuries can be healed?) In exchange for the future praetorians volunteering at their orphanages?
it was mentioned that the upgrades could have a dehumanizing effect? Which working with and around children could help mitigate. As well as being a less direct form of psychological screening.
If I can't trust someone to be around kids for any length of time I don't want them to have super powers.
It's a thought.
Flesh granted as grafts cannot be healed until the graft is destroyed, so that is unfortunately non-viable.
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I'll be honest, I never really understood the morality issues behind the Praetorians. We were only ever going to get fully informed adult volunteers for that, who would be entirely aware of the kinds of things they'd be sent up against. Is the surgery gruesome? Sure. But they're the kind of weapon we need on a large scale. If they become less human in mindset I don't see it as that much of a loss -- we have thousands of non-human vassals.
Rina interlude next and fair warning I'm going to do something fluffy and silly because that's what I feel I need right now.
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There were morality issues with the Praetorians?I had always thought we needed more research and never got around to it.
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The key is "informed." We probably won't be fully aware of the implications of the surgery until we actually perform one (which I don't think we have yet).
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
...I take this as a personal offense, just so you know.
I recon, Goldfish does as well.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
That too
Or rather, mainly that, and the issues that were ever raised haven't gotten much (any) traction, aside from (maybe) balancing.
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Apparently. I know it's definitely been commented on in the past, though I disagreed with the sentiments.
Part of that is informing the ones we do it first to that they are the experimental batch, and that we straight up don't know what will work and what won't. We happen to have diehard loyal soldiers who won't care and will be happy to serve even in that capacity. We were never once going to hide what they were signing up for. You think Vee would have tolerated anything of the sort?
The fact that they are diehard loyal people is the issue, there's a massive power imbalance there with a literally life-changing procedure in the balance.
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Damn, I mentally built a year long graft scavenger hunt where they have to earn the implants from SDs supernatural denizens by doing tasks for them that count as training as well.
Probably not very practical though. Excellent display of ritual magic though.
Naw, worried about them going megalomaniac basically.
Though everyone in SD having foxes cunning should lower that somewhat.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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Okay, but what?
In real life, Government could posit that it is fine and dandy to censor the press, because seditious or critical talk could be damaging to the government, which in the most benevolent parlance could mean it would hurt "the people" or the state.
Or just upset the status quo.
In your example you state "so what do you do, keep away the advanced True Speech tech from the Press and screen all news releases for memetic hazards?"
If Chaos Corruption stand-ins are a natural state in the world, authoritarianism is necessary for survival. 40K is an extreme example, but it's often shown that for as many barbaric and savage and ultra-conservative narrow-minded policies and decrees exist, a lot of them end up being absolutely the difference between a Solar Sector existing and being eaten by soul devouring monsters.
In real life, Government could posit that it is fine and dandy to censor the press, because seditious or critical talk could be damaging to the government, which in the most benevolent parlance could mean it would hurt "the people" or the state.
Or just upset the status quo.
In your example you state "so what do you do, keep away the advanced True Speech tech from the Press and screen all news releases for memetic hazards?"
If Chaos Corruption stand-ins are a natural state in the world, authoritarianism is necessary for survival. 40K is an extreme example, but it's often shown that for as many barbaric and savage and ultra-conservative narrow-minded policies and decrees exist, a lot of them end up being absolutely the difference between a Solar Sector existing and being eaten by soul devouring monsters.
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I don't know what to tell you, DP. Now we can't even trust volunteers because they're too loyal and might not be thinking objectively? Should we start relying on divinations to weed out the ones who would later regret it?
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It would be insanely difficult to embed memetics in true speech I bet.
Anywho
There's the other side of the coin to consider as well. Well there would be if celestials and good outsiders hadn't been curb stomped by the evil... Mm.