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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Snowfire said:
Are you quite sure about that :V

I see at least three different ways to break her away from Lucan. Two of them don't even involve bloodshed.
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I'm certainly not going to limit the plans you guys make, you've surprised me before. However she might be a bit of a time-sink with Lucan out and about acting in his own time

Anyway good night guys, see you tomorrow as we reveal what Dany and company have been doing in Oldtown and who they found.
 
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What was the name of the Septon we recently freed from captivity? He'd been imprisoned on Lucan's command for months, IIRC.
 
Well, seems like we keep getting roadblocked in this Conclave intrigue. Would not be surprised if we gained nothing out of it if we keep going the course we are on.
 
I need someone more versed than me in doublespeak to parse the angel's dialouge for bullshit.

I may be wrong, but something's niggling at me.

Also a bit annoyed that we lost a pawn we wasted so much time on, but that's why she's a pawn and not a queen. Alas, she would have been a useful idiot.
 
Massgamer said:
Well, seems like we keep getting roadblocked in this Conclave intrigue. Would not be surprised if we gained nothing out of it if we keep going the course we are on.
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Early days yet, and our information gathering on our primary opposition was nonexistent. We're remedying that. Depending on what Dany and co. have to tell us, I'm seriously considering going straight to Lucan tomorrow during the break, though we need to hit Kyle up first.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I need someone more versed than me in doublespeak to parse the angel's dialouge for bullshit.

I may be wrong, but something's niggling at me.

Also a bit annoyed that we lost a pawn we wasted so much time on, but that's why she's a pawn and not a queen. Alas, she would have been a useful idiot.
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He was pretty straightforward though ?

Tl;dr: Lucan does execute people, and the Planetar doesn't like it. He doesn't want to lie though, so and his deflections couldn't fool us (but they may fool the rest of the conclave).
 
I wouldn't consider Maer lost to us, though we will need to use different levers if we seek to influence her in the coming days. Further interaction as Dywen, however, probably isn't worth our time at the moment.

Gerald, on the other hand, is still fair game. That is a troubled Planetar, though I'm not certain exactly how to exploit that. @Snowfire He's obviously disturbed by the killings. Wedge issue?
 
Tomcost said:
Do speak. I suck at these things and I'd love to learn.
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There's a basic and driving hypocrisy at the core of the emotional connection we see here. She's most sorry for Gerald when he speaks of a massacre that, by our own knowledge, I believe we could state entirely truthfully that was unnecessary. I suspect this is part of Gerald's discomfort. There are ways to cure the hunger and madness brought by the Illithid. We've done it. It just requires high magic, or the aid of a god that is not of the Seven. The easiest way to break her connection to Lucan from this is to throw the fact that he has committed atrocities that we would not have seen done, because those afflicted were curable.

She believes in mercy, redemption, healing, we have made all of those parts of her stronger. The idea that a supposed paragon and Chosen would abandon that course would not go over well. And given how Gerald is so uncomfortable, I suspect he knows this too. Crakehall was a flashpoint.

And this is just option 1. I have others.
 
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Snowfire said:
There's a basic and driving hypocrisy at the core of the emotional connection we see here. She's most sorry for Gerald when he speaks of a massacre that, by our own knowledge, I believe we could state entirely truthfully that was unnecessary. I suspect this is part of Gerald's discomfort. There are ways to cure the hunger and madness brought by the Illithid. We've done it. It just requires high magic, or the aid of a god that is not of the Seven. The easiest way to break her connection to Lucan from this is to throw the fact that he has committed atrocities that we would not have seen done, because those afflicted were curable.

She believes in mercy, redemption, healing, we have made all of those parts of her stronger. The idea that a supposed paragon and Chosen would abandon that course would not go over well. And given how Gerald is so uncomfortable, I suspect he knows this too. Crakehall was a flashpoint.

And this is just option 1. I have others.
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You are freaking amazing.

I suck at socials so I can't even start to think all this.
 
DragonParadox said:
But many among them... there was a wrongness to their thoughts... a hunger... and Brother Lucan insisted that it would be his blade to do the deed..."
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This part is interesting to me. Why did he want to do it himself? Surely it would be easier to cleanse the taint by giving the job out to multiple people? I mean yes you are still doing the job but it is inefficient. Why did it have to be him? Was it some form of archaic First Men like honour? I know its not important but I find this interesting.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
This part is interesting to me. Why did he want to do it himself? Surely it would be easier to cleanse the taint by giving the job out to multiple people? I mean yes you are still doing the job but it is inefficient. Why did it have to be him? Was it some form of archaic First Men like honour? I know its not important but I find this interesting.
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It could simply be out of a sense of personal honor and responsibility.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
This part is interesting to me. Why did he want to do it himself? Surely it would be easier to cleanse the taint by giving the job out to multiple people? I mean yes you are still doing the job but it is inefficient. Why did it have to be him? Was it some form of archaic First Men like honour? I know its not important but I find this interesting.
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The leader who passed the sentence should swing the sword.

My best guess would be that it's a matter of trust and a desire not to burden his followers with this.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
This part is interesting to me. Why did he want to do it himself? Surely it would be easier to cleanse the taint by giving the job out to multiple people? I mean yes you are still doing the job but it is inefficient. Why did it have to be him? Was it some form of archaic First Men like honour? I know its not important but I find this interesting.
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Lucan would not stain the soul of any but himself. He's the gardener appointed by the Father, this is his task. But I also have a niggling suspicion that he did this to stop another option being offered. The other gods and powers have not been idle, and though we've not given him anything close to the infusions we've poured into the Old Gods and Yss (we need to upgrade the funnel!), we've made the Merling King stronger. And this is his field. Not the Seven's.
 
Snowfire said:
There's a basic and driving hypocrisy at the core of the emotional connection we see here. She's most sorry for Gerald when he speaks of a massacre that, by our own knowledge, I believe we could state entirely truthfully that was unnecessary. I suspect this is part of Gerald's discomfort. There are ways to cure the hunger and madness brought by the Illithid. We've done it. It just requires high magic, or the aid of a god that is not of the Seven. The easiest way to break her connection to Lucan from this is to throw the fact that he has committed atrocities that we would not have seen done, because those afflicted were curable.

She believes in mercy, redemption, healing, we have made all of those parts of her stronger. The idea that a supposed paragon and Chosen would abandon that course would not go over well. And given how Gerald is so uncomfortable, I suspect he knows this too. Crakehall was a flashpoint.

And this is just option 1. I have others.
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Is it worth the risk of outright claiming we have succeeded in helping those similarly afflicted where Lucan not only failed, but doesn't appear to have even tried?

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This part is interesting to me. Why did he want to do it himself? Surely it would be easier to cleanse the taint by giving the job out to multiple people? I mean yes you are still doing the job but it is inefficient. Why did it have to be him? Was it some form of archaic First Men like honour? I know its not important but I find this interesting.
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Wouldn't it be a neat trick to convince people he wasn't just ending their lives mercifully, but performing surreptitious blood sacrifices?
 
Snowfire said:
There's a basic and driving hypocrisy at the core of the emotional connection we see here. She's most sorry for Gerald when he speaks of a massacre that, by our own knowledge, I believe we could state entirely truthfully that was unnecessary. I suspect this is part of Gerald's discomfort. There are ways to cure the hunger and madness brought by the Illithid. We've done it. It just requires high magic, or the aid of a god that is not of the Seven. The easiest way to break her connection to Lucan from this is to throw the fact that he has committed atrocities that we would not have seen done, because those afflicted were curable.

She believes in mercy, redemption, healing, we have made all of those parts of her stronger. The idea that a supposed paragon and Chosen would abandon that course would not go over well. And given how Gerald is so uncomfortable, I suspect he knows this too. Crakehall was a flashpoint.
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Of course he could just throw out that dealing with "Pagan Gods" would forfeit their souls or some other such bullshit. "They would fall from the light of the Seven," would probably be the go to phrase.

These are folks versed in the Seven, as far as other gods are concerned we're speaking string theory to a squirrel.

They'd believe anything Lucan spouts over what proof we could provide and would become downright hostile the moment we brought up the fact that other gods can, have, and will do a better job in some aspects then their "all powerful" group of seven idiots.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
Of course he could just throw out that dealing with "Pagan Gods" would forfeit their souls or some other such bullshit. "They would fall from the light of the Seven," would probably be the go to phrase.

These are folks versed in the Seven, as far as other gods are concerned we're speaking string theory to a squirrel.

They'd believe anything Lucan spouts over what proof we could provide and would become downright hostile the moment we brought up the fact that other gods can, have, and will do a better job in some aspects then their "all powerful" group of seven idiots.
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Lucan can make that claim, and perhaps even believe it. A Planetar, however, would know better. It wouldn't be able to lie, if it were called on to answer such a question.
 
Snowfire said:
There's a basic and driving hypocrisy at the core of the emotional connection we see here. She's most sorry for Gerald when he speaks of a massacre that, by our own knowledge, I believe we could state entirely truthfully that was unnecessary. I suspect this is part of Gerald's discomfort. There are ways to cure the hunger and madness brought by the Illithid. We've done it. It just requires high magic, or the aid of a god that is not of the Seven. The easiest way to break her connection to Lucan from this is to throw the fact that he has committed atrocities that we would not have seen done, because those afflicted were curable.

She believes in mercy, redemption, healing, we have made all of those parts of her stronger. The idea that a supposed paragon and Chosen would abandon that course would not go over well. And given how Gerald is so uncomfortable, I suspect he knows this too. Crakehall was a flashpoint.

And this is just option 1. I have others.
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Remember when you showed up to Torturer's Deep how even with Heart's Ease not all or even most of the people touched by Deep Ones were salvageable? Viserys did not precisely agonize over that for months, nor did he lose companions over it. That is the equivalent of what you are proposing right now, convincing say Lya to abandon Viserys over killing cultists (not even sacrificing just killing). The option is very unlikely to work on the angel and not much better on Maer
 
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Evaunit02mark1 said:
Of course he could just throw out that dealing with "Pagan Gods" would forfeit their souls or some other such bullshit. "They would fall from the light of the Seven," would probably be the go to phrase.

These are folks versed in the Seven, as far as other gods are concerned we're speaking string theory to a squirrel.

They'd believe anything Lucan spouts over what proof we could provide and would become downright hostile the moment we brought up the fact that other gods can, have, and will do a better job in some aspects then their "all powerful" group of seven idiots.
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If they are indeed so idiotic as to do that, we might as well kill them and be done with that.
 
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