A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Goldfish
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We don't know Invisible spell, though, so would need Ancestral Awakening to learn it, which then locks is out of the effect for other purposes.
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To put it bluntly, we won't have any Praetori ready for the invasion of Westeros then. They are at least half a year off, probably a year until the first ones are actually combat ready.
Getting 40 progress isn't trivial for so specialized research.
egoo
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egoo
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And so be it, I say then.
You all* were running around screaming about research-times not being realistic?
Well, you've brought this onto yourselves, I will uphold these very rules now.
If something is not convenient to research...
Well, too fucking bad.
*not you and not all. I'm saying it in the way I at least know how to formulate, kk?
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Praetori are entirely unecessary for Westeros.
Goldfish
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I'm fine with not having them for Westeros. We don't need them for Westeros. I want the super soldier program to be homegrown, and logically consistent, not suddenly magicked into being by the OG from thin air.
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I like that wording too.
It just feels cheesy and lazy. Mechanically, weee. But story-wise, lame.
A greenseer is a druid with the ability to warg who survives direct contact with the Greendream and finds his or her way back to the initial body. The actual process is more complex but Bloodraven can't really explain it in words (he is not even sure if all Greenseers experience it the same way).
egoo
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And talking about research-times...
@Azel, what's the Progress amounts needed for making those compound armors you came up with and agreed with DP upon?
@Snowfire, you promised a write-in for Arbitres and Advanced Launchers, too
@DragonParadox, since by now we drained everything out of the Quartheen Lich on the workings of the complex that held Red Dragon Orb - how much does that shave off from our Research Action on turning that complex into a Tiamat-shiv?
@Azel, what's the Progress amounts needed for making those compound armors you came up with and agreed with DP upon?
@Snowfire, you promised a write-in for Arbitres and Advanced Launchers, too
@DragonParadox, since by now we drained everything out of the Quartheen Lich on the workings of the complex that held Red Dragon Orb - how much does that shave off from our Research Action on turning that complex into a Tiamat-shiv?
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I'm merely pointing it out.
Though I'm admittedly not keen to wait until 2020 for them.
It goes down to 16. He did not know that much about its inter workings.
egoo
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...She can be the one to throw most of the poor turtles and bottles into the meat-mincing Wall of Blades?
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There was some talk about re-hauling action allocation in the design discussion for the guns @Snowfire proposed. So I'm going to fiddle with a bit of stuff after the next turn vote and will make a global proposal for these things.And talking about research-times...
@Azel, what's the Progress amounts needed for making those compound armors you came up with and agreed with DP upon?
@Snowfire, you promised a write-in for Arbitres and Advanced Launchers, too
@DragonParadox, since by now we drained everything out of the Quartheen Lich on the workings of the complex that held Red Dragon Orb - how much does that shave off from our Research Action on turning that complex into a Tiamat-shiv?
As is, the amount of work and bookkeeping for action-allocation is ludicrous, so I'm hoping to find a way to streamline that part of the turn-system.
I'm glad to see the approaching sacrifice/boons made the thread more active.I was starting to worry about the pacing during those festival fights. They were cool to write up but they imposed a rhythm of intrigue and politics with a lot of jumping around that I was not entirely comfortable with.
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@Azel I've already expressed my distaste for the idea of just magically having the Praetorian research done for us by the OG. A lot of my misgivings are tied into the manner of how it happens, rather than the shortcut itself. The Praetorian Project, at least as you envisioned it, should require a lot of research and resources.
What if we scrapped the Praetorian Project entirely (at least the one aspect), but kept the mechanics of it and applied them in a different manner? Rather than having the OG complete the research for us, why don't we ask them for a method to create enhanced warriors to combat our foes, the Others included?
Here are the mechanical benefits enjoyed by a Praetorian without the fluff;
If the OG provided upgrades to the Fungal Forge, Enhancement Pods or whatever we called them, the effects could be duplicated easily enough. I would remove the Adamantine, though, which would remove the DR 2/--. Reduce the Natural Armor bonus to +5, too, to bring it in line with a Barkskin spell.
In return, rather than costing 4,500 IM, it could maybe instead be reduced to 3,000 or 4,000 IM, with options to lower the cost or speed up the process (assuming the upgrade takes a month in the pod) through blood sacrifice. The Adamantine DR is something they'll benefit from via their armor anyway.
Possible physical side-effects could be pale skin, along with red hair and eyes.
Thoughts?
What if we scrapped the Praetorian Project entirely (at least the one aspect), but kept the mechanics of it and applied them in a different manner? Rather than having the OG complete the research for us, why don't we ask them for a method to create enhanced warriors to combat our foes, the Others included?
Here are the mechanical benefits enjoyed by a Praetorian without the fluff;
+7 NA
DR 2/-
at 5 HD, add DR 5/Chaotic
Light Fortification (gain Fast Healing 3 when it fails for Con-Mod rounds)
Darkvision (120 ft.)
Resistance to Fire, Cold, Acid 5, becomes 10 at 5 HD and 15 at 11 HD
can channel fire into his blade, see Searing Hands (Su)
SR 7 + HD
+4 to all attributes
+4 on saves against Mind-Affecting effects
+2 on Reflex saves
+2 on Initiative
+2 to Spot and Listen
1/day Cure Serious Wounds, Remove Disease (CL = HD) as SLAs
1/day Smite Chaos (Su)
Scent (Ex)
Monkey Grip as a Bonus Feat
proficiency with all Simple and Martial Weapons, all Armor and all Shields
Cost:
4,500 IM
40 lb. of Adamantine
DR 2/-
at 5 HD, add DR 5/Chaotic
Light Fortification (gain Fast Healing 3 when it fails for Con-Mod rounds)
Darkvision (120 ft.)
Resistance to Fire, Cold, Acid 5, becomes 10 at 5 HD and 15 at 11 HD
can channel fire into his blade, see Searing Hands (Su)
SR 7 + HD
+4 to all attributes
+4 on saves against Mind-Affecting effects
+2 on Reflex saves
+2 on Initiative
+2 to Spot and Listen
1/day Cure Serious Wounds, Remove Disease (CL = HD) as SLAs
1/day Smite Chaos (Su)
Scent (Ex)
Monkey Grip as a Bonus Feat
proficiency with all Simple and Martial Weapons, all Armor and all Shields
Cost:
4,500 IM
40 lb. of Adamantine
In return, rather than costing 4,500 IM, it could maybe instead be reduced to 3,000 or 4,000 IM, with options to lower the cost or speed up the process (assuming the upgrade takes a month in the pod) through blood sacrifice. The Adamantine DR is something they'll benefit from via their armor anyway.
Possible physical side-effects could be pale skin, along with red hair and eyes.
Thoughts?
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Not remotely as cool, and too much a direct boon from the OG, I would absolutely expect DP to slap a 'must be within X distance of a Heart tree' restriction on that.
The fluff of the Praetorians is the part that I want to keep over the specific mechanics.
To be honest I'm kind of iffy on that, the project loses a lot of its flavor if it is just something of the Old God, they wold not really be imperial super-soldiers and that's what I found the most engaging about the project. Moreover the Old Gods are not really innovators and they never had supersoliders before.
This is not me veto-ing anything mind, just expressing concern.
Goldfish
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Fine with me. I like the fluff for the Praetorians, and the idea of creating them ourselves. Was just presenting an alternative.