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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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BeepSmile said:
We both get eachother's points here, I think, my problem is that the quoted bit, while true, means that your plan depends on the inevitable failure. It feels odd/bad to rely on the destruction of the Imperium.

Also, I don't want moonsong to have a reason to ever desire to destroy the Imperium, as that would be annoying at the least.

I agree that she'll be happy as long as there is an out, but I don't understand why choose to make it be one we really don't want to happen (even though it will, inevitably), as opposed to choosing something that... isn't that.

As an alternative, how about several hundred/thousand years of service, after that she can leave (negotiating fairly what is hers, and what is Imperium property, as said), and that she is only Captain of the Moonchaser while she is a Captain of the Imperium. When she leaves, the ship, the fighters, all of it remains in the Imperium

Italics on the bit that is a response to your point, and a potential solution. Hopefully.

I agree that this ship, keeping it in the Imperium is the main point, but I hope that the above suggestion is suitable, or that it sparks off some super amazing idea ;)


To elobrate my point to other threadgoers, it comes from this:
"Court of Stars is bound by oaths of fealty and of aid, but to the fey who cannot lie these oaths are hard as adamantine chains and thus oft resented as in Crimson Lotus' case"

Moonsong will be fine for a few hundred years, probably a few thousand since we make a point of being nice to her. I'm not so sure about a few million.

So, we can just make the deal contingent on ownership of the vessel always being to the Imperium, rather than make it inevitable that, unless the Imperium has fallen, Moonsong is going to want to destroy it (or helps someone else do so).
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This seems overly complex, and only about as thought out as making her pledge service for as long as the Imperium exists.

If it's so concerning, have her make the pledge to Viserys, then tell her she is always free to approach him if she feels his lordship has something or another to be desired. There are no slaves any more than another Vassal is, and while they have responsibilities to the Imperium and their Liege we have stretched the limits there already and plan to do so more, with lords letting officials run their fiefdoms for them hopefully in the long term. Also cheekily recommend that we would appreciate it if she didn't try to negotiate her exit contract with regicide.

We don't have to elaborate what we reward treason with, we exude it with every searing agonizing maximized breath.
 
[X] Goldfish
The "when she returns from Yi-Ti"-part basically incentivizes her to run back as soon as possible :V
 
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Goldfish said:
she knows that we would release her rather than force her to serve against her will.
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Not paranoid, logical conclusion based on a probability greater than zero, over a time period of "(potentially) forever" but your quoted bit does rather clear that up.

Didn't know that she knew we'd release her from her oaths upon request.

Crake said:
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I may have nattered a bit, but my idea is about as complex as your idea, just presented poorly. Evidently very poorly. I... do not see it as complex in the slightest.

(Your better idea, that solves my issues entirely, btw ;)) (...had Goldfish not also done so)

Goldfish, I request that you add Crake's idea to the vote. Not 'cuz it's needed, but because it's funny :)
 
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I've been thinking on this -- can we make our own fey?

Judging from the past few updates we're going to have quite a few more fey sacrifices in the near future alongside Crimson Lotus, so that's plenty of material to reverse engineer. And since the Old Gods used to be very closely related to fey to begin with...

Granted, it would probably take a very long study action and probably cost quite a lot, but still. Imagine being able to create fey, and programming loyalty into them from the start.

I just want a squadron of fey knights to order around.

I want their horses more. Two dozen is a good start.
 
BeepSmile said:
Not paranoid, logical conclusion based on a probability greater than zero, over a time period of "(potentially) forever" but your quoted bit does rather clear that up.

Didn't know that she knew we'd release her from her oaths upon request.


I may have nattered a bit, but my idea is about as complex as your idea, just presented poorly. Evidently very poorly. I... do not see it as complex in the slightest.

(Your better idea, that solves my issues entirely, btw ;)) (...had Goldfish not also done so)

Goldfish, I request that you add Crake's idea to the vote. Not 'cuz it's needed, but because it's funny :)
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I wasn't seriously presenting it as a suggestion, but if taken literally then yeah, equally complex.

I was asserting that it was unnecessary. You have to be quite thick not to go and josh that Viserys tolerates treason like he tolerates slavery.

Eradication.
 
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Takesis said:
Finally have time to reply, and really DP :V???



"With blood and rage of crimson red,
Ripped from a corpse so freshly dead,
Together with our hellish hate,
We'll burn you all--that is your fate!"



"What's mine is mine and mine and mine.
And mine and mine and mine!
Not yours!"



"In blackest day, in brightest night,
Beware your fears made into light.
Let those who try to stop what's right
Burn like my power Sinestro's might!"



"In brightest day, in blackest night,
No evil shall escape my sight.
Let those who worship evil's might
Beware my power--Green Lantern's light!"



"In fearful day, in raging night,
With strong hearts full, our souls ignite.
When all seems lost in the War of Light,
Look to the stars, for hope burns bright!"



"For hearts long lost and full of fright,
For those alone in Blackest Night.
Accept our ring and join our fight,
Love conquers all with violet light!"



"Tor lorek san, bor nakka mur,
Natromo faan tornek wot ur.
Ter Lantern ker lo Abin Sur,
Taan lek lek nok--Formorrow Sur!"



"The Blackest Night falls from the skies,
The darkness grows as all light dies.
We crave your hearts and your demise,
By my black hand, the dead shall rise!"

:V:V:V

[X] Goldfish
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This is a legendary call-out.
 
superguy2876 said:
Thank you for the consideration. I think i'll take it down, so you can remove it from the threadmark list. And I will have to think about it. Mostly cause i really need to go to bed.

I have to say also. Although I am disappointed that the character would probably die. I'm quite happy that there was discussion over the omake, thank you to everyone who posted.
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I'm a bit late to the party and didn't get to read what was posted but I don't actually see a problem with him hanging, IC I see why and agree with the others but moreso OOC for me it would make it a much more powerful piece, to show that it's not all sunshine and roses when the "monsters" aren't around, that unfortunate things happen and sometimes it's an unavoidable avoidable-tragedy.

I'd really appreciate being able to see the original in a PM if you still have it and don't mind sending it over.
 
Crake said:
I wasn't seriously presenting it as a suggestion, but if taken literally then yeah, equally complex.

I was asserting that it was unnecessary. You have to be quite thick not to go and josh that Viserys tolerates treason like he tolerates slavery.

Eradication.
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I just didn't want Moonsong to be in a position where she needed to commit treason to go do her own thing in a few thousand years, I don't know where I made any statements about what the response to such a choice should be, but that's not really what I was trying to address. *Shrugs* (edit: eradication sounds like a good general position to hold imo ;))

Moot point as Moonsong's aware of Viserys general "if you want out that's cool" thing, which is what I wasn't aware of before.
 
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BeepSmile said:
I just didn't want Moonsong to be in a position where she needed to commit treason to go do her own thing in a few thousand years, I don't know where I made any statements about what the response to such a choice should be, but that's not really what I was trying to address. *Shrugs* (edit: eradication sounds like a good general position to hold imo ;))

Moot point as Moonsong's aware of Viserys general "if you want out that's cool" thing, which is what I wasn't aware of before.
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Viserys is violently opposed to undesired servitude. For... many reasons.

Ultimately the self aware "mustache twirling villain" part of him realizes that he will ruthlessly extend his dominion to all parts of the world, directly or indirectly, so that no one can avoid his influence regardless of what they choose, but people are perfectly free to live in between the cracks.

And to anyone opposed to that kind of overbearingness from him, the salient counterpoint: Planetos and those living in it have proven they do not deserve sovereignty for the most part. :V
 
Crake said:
Viserys is violently opposed to undesired servitude. For... many reasons.

Ultimately the self aware "mustache twirling villain" part of him realizes that he will ruthlessly extend his dominion to all parts of the world, directly or indirectly, so that no one can avoid his influence regardless of what they choose, but people are perfectly free to live in between the cracks.

And to anyone opposed to that kind of overbearingness from him, the salient counterpoint: Planetos and those living in it have proven they do not deserve sovereignty for the most part. :V
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Crake do you have any desire of exposing true atrocities that people of westeros have committed? When we conquer it I mean. Cause places like slavers bay don't really need it being slavers bay and all with the slaves and the whips its made pretty clear what they're all about. westeros though a lot of people just aren't aware of some of the fucked up shit nobles they like do. I mean there are nobles who people are perfectly aware of doing fucked up shit but thats besides the point. Oh also the fucked up shit that people of the church do.
 
@Snowfire great updates.:)

It was a really nice surprise when I got to the end of the first one and saw the next link I was.

On a more substantive note very good job capturing Mab, though it is a pity we have not gotten to the point in the thread where Viserys sees and Other so you could not contrast. Another person I'm curious to see Viserys react to is Michel Carpenter, or for that mater how Charity reacts to him. Having her wizard daughter saved by a dragon would probably feel like opposite day to poor Charity.
 
[X] Goldfish

TotallyNotEvil said:
It will take a lot of seweing to pierce together a cloak of Liminal Sprite wings.
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Well, Moonsong propably appeared Medium-sized here and Aemon doesn't know many Fey that didn't try to toast him in Ymeri's name, so maybe he thinks that's her natural size?

@Goldfish
Are you sure that works out, with Aemon holding land in Volantis and out realm before the two officially merge?

I mean, it won't be a problem for long, but if we take it so lightly an astute politician could likely guess why it won't be a problem for long.
 
@Goldfish, could you please specify that we are offering the title of Vaeroseia for both of them? Not that this ends with confusion and suddenly a Thaemos title.

Also, I would personally prefer not to spoil Moonsong on the Moonchaser. Just tell her that we have a proposal for her once she returns if you must.
 
DragonParadox said:
I'm thinking of rolling up the archery competition (mostly back-dated). Do you guys want to do anything special for that?
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Aradia showing off in between the competitions to entertain the masses. Like shooting targets in the Circle of Battle from the jousting ground (should be roughly 1 km, so an easy shot for her).

Also, using a few lesser ravens to have the competition with moving targets. Let the contestants toss a coin for every 1 vs 1 match, the winner of the toss deciding if they will use moving or static targets.
 
Azel said:
Aradia showing off in between the competitions to entertain the masses. Like shooting targets in the Circle of Battle from the jousting ground (should be roughly 1 km, so an easy shot for her).

Also, using a few lesser ravens to have the competition with moving targets. Let the contestants toss a coin for every 1 vs 1 match, the winner of the toss deciding if they will use moving or static targets.
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Sure I can do that.
 
Azel said:
Jokes aside for a moment:
If you government is using violence to suppress peaceful protests, then I you have your problem right there.
You are still peacefully protesting instead of actually rioting.
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On the other hand I understand* that Hafez al-asaad used violence to incite violence in peaceful protests specifically because suppression of violent protests are more manageable on the global stage.

*For a veeeeeery generous definition of 'Understand'.
 
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