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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
When the princess had said the fight would be too dangerous for a trained fighter like the Florent but not for her Sandor had to bite his tongue against the foolishness. Not foolish after all is it? Sandor thought, strangely proud of his uncanny little liege lady, even if he didn't really understand her yet.
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I guess Cerseis recent "BOW BEFORE THE SORCERER QUEEN!" phase now looks even more ridiculous to him.

Speaking of that, does Sandor know what Cersei did to kill... was it Borous Blunt? I honestly don't remember. It was one of the exceptionally useless ones.
 
Azel said:
I guess Cerseis recent "BOW BEFORE THE SORCERER QUEEN!" phase now looks even more ridiculous to him.

Speaking of that, does Sandor know what Cersei did to kill... was it Borous Blunt? I honestly don't remember. It was one of the exceptionally useless ones.
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It was Boros, yes. The exceptionally useless one.

Even Trant is more useful.

And he's Meryn Trant.
 
Azel said:
I guess Cerseis recent "BOW BEFORE THE SORCERER QUEEN!" phase now looks even more ridiculous to him.

Speaking of that, does Sandor know what Cersei did to kill... was it Borous Blunt? I honestly don't remember. It was one of the exceptionally useless ones.
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Yes that is the dead kingsguard. Sandor does not know, Cersei tended to treat him like furniture, the only words she addressed him were commands.
 
Goldfish said:
Are we going to do it this coming month? If so, I need to know in order to get the necessary equipment crafted. We also need to begin making arrangements with our allies ASAP.

I think a significant Legion Artillery presence would be helpful, too. They have serious ranged capability, which we can further augment with Alchemical munitions.

We should go all out, if we're going to do it at all; Wyvern air patrols,Herald or maybe even Harbinger assistance, swarms of Elemental Wyrmlings, etc.
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My idea was to hit the convoy at the end of the next month (9th) and potentially assault the mine at the beginning of the month after (10th).

So, not yet. But if you can squeeze in more Wyverns and Heralds, that would be awesome. Having the Harbinger and a few Herals on security detail would be a tremendous boon, as they get constantly healed from the planar effects. Wyrmlings would be useless though, as they would need to be Fire type to survive outside and their attacks would do squat against the locals. Unless you throw in some kind of adaption effect for Cold Wyrmlings.
 
Crake said:
It was Boros, yes. The exceptionally useless one.

Even Trant is more useful.

And he's Meryn Trant.
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There is also Preston Greenfield. If you now ask "Who?", then I rest my case. Otherwise I would like to point out that the peasant riot in Kings Landing killed him in canon.
DragonParadox said:
Yes that is the dead kingsguard. Sandor does not know, Cersei tended to treat him like furniture, the only words she addressed him were commands.
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Honestly, that means she treated Sandor better then she does 99% of the court, to say nothing about a good chunk of the nobility.
 
Azel said:
My idea was to hit the convoy at the end of the next month (9th) and potentially assault the mine at the beginning of the month after (10th).

So, not yet. But if you can squeeze in more Wyverns and Heralds, that would be awesome. Having the Harbinger and a few Herals on security detail would be a tremendous boon, as they get constantly healed from the planar effects. Wyrmlings would be useless though, as they would need to be Fire type to survive outside and their attacks would do squat against the locals. Unless you throw in some kind of adaption effect for Cold Wyrmlings.
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The Elemental Wyrmlings can use the Attune Form item just as easily as a flesh and blood Legion soldier.

So at the very least we will need an Attune Form item.

I think rather than trying to make the Legion soldiers live on the Plane of Fire, we should just pay for another Permanent Greater Demiplane. We can add a Permanent portal Gate to it. Quarters and storage can be set up inside of it. It would also serve as a method to easily move large quantities of Adamantine and other materials between Planes by temporarily connecting it to the Imperial Demiplane or locations used by our allies.

Unfortunately we won't be getting any new Heralds in the 9th month, though all three of the first Wyverns will be completed.
 
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Goldfish said:
The Elemental Wyrmlings can use the Attune Form item just as easily as a flesh and blood Legion soldier.

So at the very least we will need an Attune Form item.

I think rather trying to make the Legion soldiers love on the Plane of Fire, we should just pay for another Permanent Greater Demiplane. We can add a Permanent portal Gate to it. Quarters and storage can be set up inside of it. It would also serve as a method to easily move large quantities of Adamantine and other materials between Planes by temporarily connecting it to the Imperial Demiplane or locations used by our allies.

Unfortunately we won't be getting any new Heralds in the 9th month, though all three of the first Wyverns will be completes.
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Alright, I for some reason assumed Attune Form would give you subtypes or something. Should have read the spell first.

And a Demiplane is too small to serve as quarters. It would be more cost efficient to make more attunement items then wasting so much money on expanding the plane that it can house a garrison. There are also logistical problems with the entrance and tactical concerns.
 
DragonParadox said:
Yes that is the dead kingsguard. Sandor does not know, Cersei tended to treat him like furniture, the only words she addressed him were commands.
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Come on, there must have been some insults here and there too.

Also re Garth do we tell him everything about the devils? Try and get him to spill on what he knows about the Maesters? I think he was like Oberyn in that he went to the Citadel but didn't go all the way. I'd have him spill everything he knows about the Conclave of the Seven and give us a way in.
 
Barbed Devil ashes added to the corpse stockpile in the Larder. Unfortunately since Dany was Destruction-happy we don't get to have a trophy out of it, so we'll need to wait for the next one.
 
Azel said:
Alright, I for some reason assumed Attune Form would give you subtypes or something. Should have read the spell first.

And a Demiplane is too small to serve as quarters. It would be more cost efficient to make more attunement items then wasting so much money on expanding the plane that it can house a garrison. There are also logistical problems with the entrance and tactical concerns.
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The Imperial Demiplane is the smallest sized Greater Demiplane available.
Imperial Demiplane #1
This permanent Demiplane has a volume of 340,000 cubic feet. It measures 110 feet long, 100 feet wide, and 30 feet high. At each end is a dedicated portal alcove 10 feet deep which is 30 feet wide and 30 feet high. One of the portal alcoves holds the permanent 20ft x 20ftx Gate connecting to Sorcerer's Deep, while the other is used to temporarily connect to other locations. The Demiplane itself, except for the minimum necessary space needed to open portal Gates in the alcoves, is warded against travel magic by a Forbiddance spell at an 18th effective caster level. The small unwarded sliver of space, when not occupied by a temporary portal Gate, is filled in with stone to prevent unauthorized Gates from connecting to it.
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Barracks-style housing for several hundred Legion soldiers could be set up in another Demiplane of this size. The Legion soldiers could also hot swap bunks, potentially trippling the number they could accommodate on a daily basis. There would still be room for a mess hall and bathing facilities, too.

It would cost just 9000 IM to render such a Demiplane Permanent and connect a portal Gate to it. That is nothing when compared against the profits we could extract from an Adamantine mine. And later, when it is no longer needed, the Gate to the mine could be dismissed and the Demiplane repurposed.

The Gate itself could be easily secured through magical and mundane means.
 
Goldfish said:
The Imperial Demiplane is the smallest sized Greater Demiplane available.

Barracks-style housing for several hundred Legion soldiers could be set up in another Demiplane of this size. The Legion soldiers could also hot swap bunks, potentially trippling the number they could accommodate on a daily basis. There would still be room for a mess hall and bathing facilities, too.

It would cost just 9000 IM to render such a Demiplane Permanent and connect a portal Gate to it. That is nothing when compared against the profits we could extract from an Adamantine mine. And later, when it is no longer needed, the Gate to the mine could be dismissed and the Demiplane repurposed.

The Gate itself could be easily secured through magical and mundane means.
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Look, you are putting all the eggs in one basket. Any attack that disables or blocks the Gate traps the garrison. Furthermore, there is such a thing as planar leakage through Gates, which is the reason the Inevitables are tasked with shutting such things down. What that means is, ultimately, that the barracks will sooner or alter take on the same planar properties as the Plane of Fire. Maybe gradually, maybe spontaneously due to a weather event or similar.

What we need are multiple, independent and self-reliant barracks to ensure that neither sabotage nor targeted attack can trivially wipe out the whole garrison. And since a demiplane that is connected by gate has no guarantee that the planar effects of the PoF are kept out indefinitely and might in effect kill everyone in here in their sleep due to a simple mishap, we should just plan for people to stay on the same plane as they are stationed on.

As for material transportation, that's what a Terminus is for. We can build a station underground in the mine shafts and move both people and material in large quantities without needing PC attention, or permanent connections that could leak elemental fire and attract Inevitables.
 
Azel said:
Look, you are putting all the eggs in one basket. Any attack that disables or blocks the Gate traps the garrison. Furthermore, there is such a thing as planar leakage through Gates, which is the reason the Inevitables are tasked with shutting such things down. What that means is, ultimately, that the barracks will sooner or alter take on the same planar properties as the Plane of Fire. Maybe gradually, maybe spontaneously due to a weather event or similar.

What we need are multiple, independent and self-reliant barracks to ensure that neither sabotage nor targeted attack can trivially wipe out the whole garrison. And since a demiplane that is connected by gate has no guarantee that the planar effects of the PoF are kept out indefinitely and might in effect kill everyone in here in their sleep due to a simple mishap, we should just plan for people to stay on the same plane as they are stationed on.

As for material transportation, that's what a Terminus is for. We can build a station underground in the mine shafts and move both people and material in large quantities without needing PC attention, or permanent connections that could leak elemental fire and attract Inevitables.
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You make some good points, except about the Inevitables. They wouldn't bother with a tiny Demiplane attached to the Plane of Fire.
 
Goldfish said:
You make some good points, except about the Inevitables. They wouldn't bother with a tiny Demiplane attached to the Plane of Fire.
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That was not the point I wanted to make. They wouldn't care about the demiplane, I just wanted to illustrate that the existence of Inevitables tasked specifically with removing Gates "to keep the spheres separated" is clear evidence of Gate's allowing planar leakage, which in this case means that the intended effect, namely isolation from the PoF, won't be achievable.

They would ignore the tiny pocket dimension, at least as long as we don't put up a second Gate to the Plane of Water in it or something.
 
Azel said:
Honestly, that means she treated Sandor better then she does 99% of the court, to say nothing about a good chunk of the nobility.
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I honestly have to keep asking myself "how is she not dead yet?"

If what even half of what we know about her is true then she's pissed off everyone except her brother, and that's because she's banging the bastard.
 
Evaunit02mark1 said:
I honestly have to keep asking myself "how is she not dead yet?"

If what even half of what we know about her is true then she's pissed off everyone except her brother, and that's because she's banging the bastard.
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The illusion of control and the promise of power, and the desire for both.

Tyrell ambition led them to siding with the Lannisters. Sure they intended to betray them the entire way, but still, people will do anything, grit their teeth and smile even if it tastes like shit until they're ready to dispose of the annoying blonde bint in their way--when and if they are in position to do so.

No one is in position to do anything about Cersei Lannister, and you have Jon Fucking Arryn to thank for that.

Everything can in some way be blamed on Jon Arryn.
 
Crake said:
Everything can in some way be blamed on Jon Arryn.
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I have no idea who that is, but for some reason that name alone is causing me to hate him. Like I seriously don't know why, it's just the way my brain says his name seems to poke at my "Burn it" nodes.

ryuan said:
Varys, basically. Varys and Pircelly I guess.
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Man is she in for a rude surprise when we finally get our ducks in a row.
 
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