Guys i feel like we are making too many types of mordern weapons. Where do the ideas for these things supposed to have come from IC. And we should have no idea on how to use them in a war without atleast a few more trails and actuall experience. I feel like we are using mordern knowldge to design weapons but not justifying where are we getting ideas for them. We are smart but we cant just spontenously imagin new doctrins of war. So can anyone explain to me what IC explanation is for all the weapon ideas.
 
What about hardpoints on the wings for additional bomb capacity? They could be dropped first in any bombing engagement to cut down on weight and drag.
The wings are needed for steering, so you can't mount anything on them.
It gets stupid pretty quick, so it's best to not think about it too hard. That said, a good part of my plans to obliterate the Deep Ones cities involve massive KKWs, Alchemical explosives, and copious amount of magic to make it all work.
Again, that won't work underwater. The medium is too dense and has too high viscosity. I did the math. Unless you want to drop a frictionless cube of neutronium, it won't do shit against a stone fortress.
It's hard to even think about calculating real world physics for something like a KKW and translating it into D&D numbers. For the sake of sanity, I would ask DP to just rule that they can inflict between 1d6 and 4d6 damage depending on the altitude from which they are dropped and the speed the craft dropping them is moving at the time. This is for the smaller flechette types. If we start talking about the larger KKWs, just scale it up, 3d6 to 10d6, for something rocket-sized, and so on.
That's extremely low. A Lazy Dog projectile hits with the force of a rifle bullet and you can expect multiple hits in the affected area.
 
We haven't seen Brienne in a rather long time so I'm hesitant to make any judgments or plans. I assume Stannis and Fenly have been keeping a close eye on her, so when we make an effort to fully bring them onboard we'll probably get an update on the situation.

The Smith's champion sounds like a kid who's good at one thing and feels desperately out of his depth. He should be the second easiest to diplomance besides the Maiden's champion.

The Crone's is someone to be careful around. Everything we've heard about her suggests that she's a lot more realistic and dangerous than the rest of the champions.

Luncan's downfall should best occur at the hands of the nobility. There's more people than the Targs who don't want a return of the Faith Militant, and having him kill someone important for heresy or something along those lines will convince the noble houses that the Faith is a threat to them. That'll destroy his cause more than anything we could do.

Dunno what's up with the Mother and Stranger, but almost certainly nothing good.
 
Weird thought but what about Rhaella becoming the champion of the Mother? No idea how likely that is so not taking it too serious.
 
I'm giving it decent odds that the Mother is just biding her time until a moment when her Chosen isn't either roped into Lucans merry suicide squad or killed by one Targ or another.
 
I'm confused. Why would the Smith love us?

As good of an Emperor as we are, the Imperium is still built on blood sacrifice which the Seven despise, and the Champion of the Smith is busy making dragonbane weapons as we speak.
Several reasons, manly how hard we champion knowledge and innovation, as well as.

Also if any of the 7 are going to be wed to practicality it would be the Smith.

Also I'm categorically against sacrificing a child we parted on good terms in without putting any effort into talking to then first. Especially when for all the good/7 hate she hasn't actually done anything to us.

Especially since shes focused on fighting devil's.

It's just distasteful. Incredibly so.
 
Several reasons, manly how hard we champion knowledge and innovation, as well as.

Also if any of the 7 are going to be wed to practicality it would be the Smith.

Also I'm categorically against sacrificing a child we parted on good terms in without putting any effort into talking to then first. Especially when for all the good/7 hate she hasn't actually done anything to us.

Especially since shes focused on fighting devil's.

It's just distasteful. Incredibly so.
Lucan is the only Champion of the Seven I want sacrificed. The rest are either simply killed if they try to fight us, or made to fall in line. Brienne was never on the sacrifice list.
 
Several reasons, manly how hard we champion knowledge and innovation, as well as.

Also if any of the 7 are going to be wed to practicality it would be the Smith.

Also I'm categorically against sacrificing a child we parted on good terms in without putting any effort into talking to then first. Especially when for all the good/7 hate she hasn't actually done anything to us.

Especially since shes focused on fighting devil's.

It's just distasteful. Incredibly so.
Please take a step back, breath in, count to 10, breath out.

Now tell me who here suggested sacrificing Brienne, the chosen of the Warrior.
 
Lucan is the only Champion of the Seven I want sacrificed. The rest are either simply killed if they try to fight us, or made to fall in line. Brienne was never on the sacrifice list.
Eh... if we kill them, we feed them to the Old Gods. We've got a deal and I'm intending to keep to it.

Also, blood of the chosen is a pretty good Valium alternative for the Old Gods. Get's those murderous urges down.
 
Eh... if we kill them, we feed them to the Old Gods. We've got a deal and I'm intending to keep to it.

Also, blood of the chosen is a pretty good Valium alternative for the Old Gods. Get's those murderous urges down.
Point. Again, this all depends on them being dumb enough to fight us. Lucan is definitely marked for sacrifice. The rest have their fates in their own hands.
 
Point. Again, this all depends on them being dumb enough to fight us. Lucan is definitely marked for sacrifice. The rest have their fates in their own hands.
Lucan also had his fate in his own hands. He just decided to be so stupendously offensive in every conceivable way that I will take particular joy in seeing his guts draped over a tree.
 
ITT: Who is saying to sacrifice Brienne?

Also ITT, literally the next post: Well if we kill them they get sacrificed.

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Implying that we're probably not going to kill Brienne if we can help it.
Lucan also had his fate in his own hands. He just decided to be so stupendously offensive in every conceivable way that I will take particular joy in seeing his guts draped over a tree.
Bloodraven had better have an extra sacrifice bonus prepared for Lucan when we finally get him.
 
ITT: Who is saying to sacrifice Brienne?

Also ITT, literally the next post: Well if we kill them they get sacrificed.

:thonk:
That's a particularly lazy brand of logical fallacy you are using there.

I've never said to kill Brienne either. Unless she becomes a problem, I'm perfectly happy to ignore her.
Bloodraven had better have an extra sacrifice bonus prepared for Lucan when we finally get him.
I'm perfectly content with nothing more then the sweet satisfaction of seeing him die.
 
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I've written Brienne off as a lost cause at this point.

Either she realizes the insanity of the Seven and defects, or she doesn't and we have to deal with her.

Please take a step back, breath in, count to 10, breath out.

Now tell me who here suggested sacrificing Brienne, the chosen of the Warrior.
I may have read too much into "lost cause" and "deal with her".

Especially, we haven't even...

We haven't even spoken to her again.

Is lost cause really what we need to apply to her?

She's not even likely to go after us if she's a LG paladin.
 
I may have read too much into "lost cause" and "deal with her".

Especially, we haven't even...

We haven't even spoken to her again.

Is lost cause really what we need to apply to her?

She's not even likely to go after us if she's a LG paladin.
"Lost cause" referred to me wanting to talk to her months ago and I was shot down by the entire thread, so I gave up.
 
I may have read too much into "lost cause" and "deal with her".

Especially, we haven't even...

We haven't even spoken to her again.

Is lost cause really what we need to apply to her?

She's not even likely to go after us if she's a LG paladin.
We didn't really have an opportunity to speak with her again, as approaching the daughter of a hostile lord is hardly something we can do on a lark.
That being said, neither have we received any information about what she has been up to since we've met, neither for good, nor ill.
 
The fact we've not heard anything about Brienne, not even from Bloodraven, to me indicates that she's likely stayed home in her island. And for that to happen, the place has to be receiving a sizable stream of monsters but nothing so strong they've beaten her.

So chances are the only thing she's done lately is gain some levels.
 
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"Speaking to the heir of a major Lord from a hostile Kingdom isn't something we can just do on a whim, guys!"

"Now let's discuss restructuring ancient borders and implementing continually sophisticated economic reforms in regions that have only known blood and sorrow for centuries, all while setting up a mailing list of "how to commit sedition" with a dozen major lords in one breezy afternoon."

"Azel, isn't that..."

"HUSH, Imperialism is intensifying."
 
"Speaking to the heir of a major Lord from a hostile Kingdom isn't something we can just do on a whim, guys!"

"Now let's discuss restructuring ancient borders and implementing continually sophisticated economic reforms in regions that have only known blood and sorrow for centuries, all while setting up a mailing list of "how to commit sedition" with a dozen major lords in one breezy afternoon."

"Azel, isn't that..."

"HUSH, Imperialism is intensifying."
There is a difference when doing so when they come to us or we have existing ties then when we show up at their doorstep. Furthermore, Lord Tarth is loyal to the Baratheons, was already creeped out when we interacted with his daughter, has decidedly a problem with her martial inclination and is generally on the list of people we don't talk with.
 
Isn't sacrificing a little extreme for just going against us? Didn't we make laws that frown on that? Lucas goes to the extreme so an exception can be made but the others?
 
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Isn't sacrificing a little extreme for just going against us? Didn't we make laws that frown on that? Lucas goes to extreme so an exception can be made but the others?
The Old Gods want Andal blood an a champion of the Seven is worth a thousand Andals or more.

And this whole "we can't sacrifice this and that!" business is getting really stupid when we keep hiring the same people we otherwise turn into snake food or VS.

I mean... seriously...

We fed Azemas mom to Yss and nobody batted an eye, but sacrificing the chosen of the Crone is somehow a problem?
How many friends and colleagues of Mereth and Leto did we carve up for spare parts again?
Didn't we sacrifice every cleric of Tiamat to Yss for permanent soul-kill, with the sole exception being Dany?
 
Isn't sacrificing a little extreme for just going against us? Didn't we make laws that frown on that? Lucas goes to the extreme so an exception can be made but the others?
It's not just going against us that's the problem, it's the active suppression of all magic that isn't theirs, the weakening of the Seven Kingdoms against the awakening supernatural threats, etc. If we were classifying by practices, they'd be enemies of humanity without a doubt. They're more worried about fighting us than they are about fighting Deep Ones, Fiends, Winterborn, etc. :facepalm:

That, and their sacrifice will spare people who actually deserve to be spared.
Didn't we sacrifice every cleric of Tiamat to Yss for permanent soul-kill, with the sole exception being Dany?
It should be noted that Tiamat is a bitch, and if we don't sacrifice her clerics then she gets all her power back due to the Greed domain. So when we fight her minions we need to capture rather than kill.
 
To me...

I feel like the rest of the 7s chosen have their own hang ups, but are probably not going to be inherently unreasonable.

Most of them are not working with Lucan after all.

Which is... A monumental failure on his part. Both in practical terms and in terms of what the father's chosen is supposed to be.

It's... I.

Never mind.
 
The Old Gods want Andal blood an a champion of the Seven is worth a thousand Andals or more.

And this whole "we can't sacrifice this and that!" business is getting really stupid when we keep hiring the same people we otherwise turn into snake food or VS.

I mean... seriously...

We fed Azemas mom to Yss and nobody batted an eye, but sacrificing the chosen of the Crone is somehow a problem?
How many friends and colleagues of Mereth and Leto did we carve up for spare parts again?
Didn't we sacrifice every cleric of Tiamat to Yss for permanent soul-kill, with the sole exception being Dany?
We sacrificed those people because they were enemies of all of humanity, not because they were our enemies. Unless you are saying that the Champions of the Seven also qualify as such, this is a false equivalence. We did sacrifice Baelor, iirc, so that could be a kind of precedent, but he was an insane fanatic with far too much power.

I don't have any trouble fitting Lucan into that category, but Brienne certainly doesn't qualify yet, and we don't know enough about the rest of the champions to decide one way or another, I think.
 
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