Goldfish
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There's a reason brakemen were used for so long IRL. Reliably linking the braking systems for trains, and making them work, was pretty far up the locomotive tech tree.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Goldfish
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That runs counter to what I think of as Oberyn's character. He's more likely to send someone to do the boring start up work of establishing ownership of the land, building a keep, surveying, etc., while he enjoys himself doing amazing shit.
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I would say 9-12th, it simply blows everything that isn't a Mindsighted Pseudodragon out of the water, and even then, it's apples to oranges.
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9 is fine. Starting at level 9 any build that wants to use a Familiar for Combat can start slapping spells like Extended Polymorph or Trollshape onto their familiar, thus making their basic combat ability pretty much irrelevant. Losing a feat for a chaff-killer at level 9 isn't a huge deal, really.
I'd also be chill with 12 though, so whatever. It'd be a little harsh (at level 12, for 1 feat you can get actual Dragons as cohorts) but this Improved Familiar would mostly be for fluff anyway...
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
In our Imperium, anyone level 9 don't have to use a feat to get a Familiar, at that level a feat is more valuable than a 1000 IM, and that's what getting a Familiar by ritual cost.
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Actually, I forgot to comment on this, but we are supposed to need research and/or training to get most PrCs. Which is the reason most of the cast had ones made for them that could be reasonably explained away.
So @DragonParadox @Goldfish @however else is on this, how did an investigator wizard end up with the PrC that symbolizes the highest understanding of the very fundamental mechanics of Magic?
She should be getting a roguish wizard PrC if at that, Unseen Seer would be perfect for her.
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Goldfish
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The finest magical education available on Planetos, an Intelligence score that qualifies as genius, Divine enhancement via Philospher's Tree, and maybe a bit of epiphany on the side?
Interlude in beta.
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Pff. According to that, anyone could become an Incantatrix :/
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Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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ON AN OPEN FIELD, NED!
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Bullshit.
An Incantrix is a wizard amongst wizards. The baseline for being a wizard is being a genius.
She has been doing nothing of the sort that would remotely qualify her for coming up with the most powerful wizard class entirely on her own.
I'd expect her to get a freaking Mythic Rank from becoming an Incantrix on her own.
She hasn't been doing breakthrough, bleeding edge research on a nexus of wild magic or some shit.
She has been catching spies, cultists and low level magical nasties.
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Snowfire
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...I'm not happy saying this, but...yeah, I agree with @TotallyNotEvil here. That's just not enough. An Incantatrix is a specialist to rival all specialists. This sort of breakthrough is the type that should take months of study, even with everything you've just listed. In most base setting routes, it's possible to justify this knowledge from acquiring a teacher, from those with the sort of power to know. But there's none of that teaching infrastructure in Planetos. We're having to build it. From scratch.
That we can somehow bridge the gap in so little time is extremely questionable.
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Goldfish
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@TotallyNotEvil And to build on this, Mia is barely into the Incantatrix PrC, which has none of the amazing features it gains later. She can be considered to be researching it as she levels further. Eventually, she might be teaching in the Scholarium, sharing her insights and experience with new magelings.
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That's taking it a little far :/
I don't really think that this matters though? Goldfish mostly seems to want it because its level 3 ability is cool, things like that. Not to break the game with infinite Persists or whatever.
On principle I utterly agree with you though. I'd even have such secondary characters not take PrCs, because not everyone has to have one and sometimes it's nice to see single-classed people. Especially when they already have one of the best classes in the game
Snowfire
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Fuck! Get the Frenchy out of the wine cellar!!
Goldfish, man, look. This is the base description for the PrC:
Where is that in Mia? Where is the study, the work that should have come to our attention on the matter already if she was delving like this? The narrative you're trying to establish simply doesn't hold together.
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Goldfish
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I disagree, obviously. She meets all of the requirements, none of which are particularly esoteric.
If @DragonParadox says we can't use it, I won't mind. She'll get her Necromancy spells back and I'll find her a different PrC.
Mia is very unlikely to even make it to level 10. That class will ultimately have very little impact on your game-play. It'sjust there because it's a cool bit of fluff and you did have someone to help train her.
Snowfire
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It's not the mechanics here, DP. That's actually entirely secondary - at least to me. It's the narrative. Mia has, as far as I'm aware, spent the last 'x' amount of time doing Inquisition work. Where in there is the ability of her to have gained the sort of blindingly esoteric understanding, the type Lya has in certain fields, for spell interaction? It just doesn't fit.
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No man, just no.
There's no way to justify it. It simply does not involve what she has been doing and getting experience at, in any way.
You tell me she picks up Unseen Seer? I'd buy that in an instant, it's the eponymous "Wizard Inquisitor" class.
Incantrix? On her own? From scribbling notes in her very rare downtime? From random musings?
You better slap her on the Companions list, because she damn near makes Lya look like an amateur. This is Beethoven sitting on a piano for the first time and randomly pounding a masterpiece.
So, has Mia been the Beethoven of Magic all along? Because that's the implication here.
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Fair point. She has been a bit busy for intense study
@Goldfish I hate to retcon a sheet you worked on but I think it might be for the best.
Interlude CDIX: The Penned Stag
The Penned Stag
Twenty-Fifth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC
"... so you see, Your Grace, we can thus turn the Sorcerer King's strength into a weakness, give him the choice of either letting his grain rot in the silos, drawing rats and pestilence, or sell them to his foes, all the while we learn from these spells, after they have been suitably purified with the aid of the Golden Shields, of course," Baelish droned on and on as usual, seemingly determined to kiss every ass in sight at least three times over.
A mailed fist crashed down on the table. "So that is how we are going to kill him, it is? Smash him across the face with a bigger grain sack?" Robert Baratheon rumbled disgustedly. "You said you had something important about how to fight him. Fight doesn't mean 'pinch a few coins out of his pocket,' Littlefinger. It doesn't mean sending off some sick peasants and hope the plague gets him, either," he added, turning his head to look at the Spider.
Everyone around the table froze still as the red-eyed sphinx statues opposite the king's chair, jewel eyes glittering in the torchlight. Without Jon's presence none of them wanted to speak first. Baelish swallowed dryly. Varys just dipped his head in apology, cold as a fish and living proof that you didn't need your balls to be brave. Then again, maybe life was not that worth living all that much for him.
Kevan Lannister was the first one to speak this time: "We are not ready to give that sort of challenge. The Golden Shields are working diligently, but discovering a way to reproduce the Dragon-slayer weapons without becoming like the Old Valyrians themselves takes careful and often dangerous study, and raising dragons to fighting weight even more so, though we might cheat here and there, as my good sister Lanna puts it."
Then before Robert could reply Varys put in: "I am working to stem or perhaps even turn the tide in Essos. I have it on good authority that many of the magisters in the newly conquered lands chaff at his rule. The raising of freedmen above them chaffs so much their throats are bloody with it, and in the east Volantis gathers its strength. The boy's rule may look impressive, but it is a brittle thing held together by fear of his powers. One stone in the right place and it will shatter like glass."
"And the right place is through his head," the king's voice was softer now but no less dangerous. Why hadn't he killed the Dragonspawn when they were hiding under rocks in Braavos? he asked himself as he had done many times before, but the answers were of little use. Because he was just one boy without an army, because he hadn't wanted to test Ned's friendship any further. Surely now he would understand, surely Ned wouldn't... He shook off the thought, the fear. "The damn Dragonspawn is practically inviting an army to his shore for his Traitors' Tourney. Make it an army of loyal men and then they'll all..."
"I fear they would all burn," Pycelle's normally wispy voice was surprisingly firm when those were Tywin Lannister's words in his mouth. "An army, even a true one, cannot kill a dragon, even with engines, magic, perhaps even an extraordinarily skilled warrior armed and armored with sorcery."
"Like the Valyrian Steel he's giving away!" Robert roared. "He doesn't seem to be too fucking worried about that, does he? I've been listening to that shit for years now, and look at where it got the realm? Knights pouring over the Narrow Sea to pledge themselves to Aerys' foul get, lords rushing off for a chance to plot treason in person since ravens just take too bloody long. What are we going to do about Driftmark and Claw Isle when the fleet doesn't dare stick its nose out of port?"
"Perhaps it is time that we trust faith to guard against foul magics as your ancestors did," Guncer Sunglass, the Master of Ships, said. He probably even meant it. He was almost fit to try and pray to an arrow to the gut in the middle of battle. Of course, that was not quite as stupid as it would have been a few years back, a small and not entirely welcome voice at the back of his head noted.
"Can you get those miracle workers and angels to guard your ships?" Robert Baratheon asked bluntly.
"That is not for me to say, nor for any man," Sunglass answered. Useless as the rest of them.
"Lannister, I know you have ways of talking to Tywin that are faster than a raven. I want news about what those wizards of Tywin's are doing, real news before I ride off North," the king commanded.
If there was one small mercy about a Small Council with Jon away dealing with that mess at Rosby, it was that he couldn't look on with disapproval at the decision to leave the capital as he had done so many times before.
OOC: Since I know you guys are going to ask, the trouble at Rosby was the infant Tywin Rosby getting sick, his mother getting help from the Golden Shields, and then a spontaneous mob forming around rumors of changelings and evil magic. The fallout risks alienating either the Faith or one of the stronger Baratheon loyalists in the Crownlands, hence Jon Arryn riding out personally.
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