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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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OK in an effort to at least slightly stem the tide of silliness, what interlude would you guys want?

I was thinking either a fight or a reaction from Winterfell to your letter and news of the festival.
 
DragonParadox said:
Less than a day certainly.
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So we were warned that shadow steed can be iffy north of the wall, as air is the domain of the others, would there be any problems if the riders were careful to not use the fly feature?

And does your "day" comment account for shadow steed speeds, or was it a more reasonable walking speed consideration?

How far(ish), in units time, from one of the forts at the wall to the thenns? (Via shadow steed, contending with trees and such, cuz not flying)

Just incase we can save a scarafice.

Ohhhh! And of course we need to grab some party members, if we get lucky, shit might happen of the hostile encounter kind.

I'm kinda wanting a fight, hopefully one where we pay back for the tree strides we're killing people for.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Well, yeah. It's all sorts of complicated, and I want to know where professionals, aka Snowfire (and actually @Goldfish ? I don't know if that's his thing), draw the line. "Is anything that sprouts from such soil genuine, or a defense mechanism? What's the ethical call in a scenario where the victim is happy as a clam and not being abused anymore?"
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@Azel has hit this pretty well. It's judgement call, more than anything else. Every situation will be different, even if similarities are present. The hard part is helping a person work out which side of the line they're on - although there are legal sides involved in our culture wherein the law sets the line for us. Of course, the police don't really have to deal with fixing the people they save, but that's not their fault. Not to say they don't care, they most certainly do, it's just that isn't their job. Outside of legal points setting the lines, though, it's hazy and comes mostly down to the ability of the person listening to the person and trying to get a judge on their character. And let's be clear on this, no one is infallible in that situation. I've made mistakes, everyone does, no matter how good you might have become.

superguy2876 said:
That sounds right. But I am curious if you know anywhere i can read about this.

All the articles and papers I looked up constantly say that you cannot make someone leave a relationship, but it's always in reference to the aforementioned problem of self-autonomy.
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Self-autonomy is basically directly linked to personal desire to change. If someone is in a relationship that can unambiguously be called unhealthy (lol) but wants to stay there, then there's no way of removing them from it without probably doing about as much damage as you think the relationship is doing to them. But this is a more personal thing. The point of an outside therapist is to be outside of the emotional context, it's why they're given councillors of their own to help handle the cognitive and emotional strain of carrying and reflecting everything they do. It's why you should never try psychological analysis on friends or family, because you're inside the issue and therefore compromised by default. And it's also why training empathy and the other necessary skills for this sort of thing is rarely a walk in the park.

Sure, understanding people seems like a great thing to be able to do, but then you run into the fact that most people are kinda screwed up on one level or another and just making do with what they have. And you have to come to terms with the idea that there's nothing wrong with that, even if you can be walking somewhere, look at someone in passing, and want to literally break down crying in the street due to what you see. Understanding is, and always has been, a double edged sword with one of the sharpest edges I've ever found. It offers a great deal, and if you can process what it gives you, you can do some pretty incredible things with it. But every human has a limit, and the flip side of training empathy is that what you feel makes you want to help those that you interact with. People who usually don't realise everything they're giving away, and who will not be helped by doing so. It's why I work so hard to not get baited into 'using my psychology' when people ask me to. Because they only want to prove a point, and all it ever ends in is pain.

As to articles and reading? A good primer on this sort of thinking would be "A Way of Being" by Carl Rogers. A lot of the above is founded in principles of client/person centred counselling, and those viewpoints have been engaged in a minor (and sometimes not so minor) war with the more directive and diagnosis driven sides of the field basically since it came into existence. The issue is simple. Directive and diagnosis driven techniques can be repeated on people and you can easily (relatively) show how those techniques work, give a basic reasoning for why, and then present them to the evidence-based world we live in as a solution. Person-centred approaches can't (as easily), because they're designed around the client instead of around a specific technique. There are a set of founding principles that everyone who uses PCC use, yes, but how each person does so is as unique as how they're applied to each client.
 
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DragonParadox said:
OK in an effort to at least slightly stem the tide of silliness, what interlude would you guys want?

I was thinking either a fight or a reaction from Winterfell to your letter and news of the festival.
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Uggghhh that's a tough choice. I'll say Winterfell since it seems appropriate for the Mors Umber conversation for now with Rhaenys and Elia interlude a close second.
 
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