Actually no, Daena could have stolen those eggs during Brynden's time... hm. Seventeen, then?
 
Brynden said there were nineteen eggs in Dragonstone's treasury at one time, not counting those two Daena stole since B-Rae was born afterwards, but does that include the Devil Eggs that they were using for schemes via Varys?

@DragonParadox, you have an answer to this?
In that case it would be those nineteen eggs (presumably stolen by Lanna and Gerion :mad:) in addition to everything they got from Valyria.

I'm suspicious they stumbled on the domain of one of the Forty and got a crap ton of eggs.
 
Hey @DragonParadox, did Varys ever get concrete numbers for how many eggs Lanna and Gerion stole from Valyria?

Varys did not know precisely though his best guess is 5-9

Brynden said there were nineteen eggs in Dragonstone's treasury at one time, not counting those two Daena stole since B-Rae was born afterwards, but does that include the Devil Eggs that they were using for schemes via Varys?

@DragonParadox, you have an answer to this?

Yes those eggs were taken from Dragonstone.
 
5-9... from Valyria.

We recovered a number of those eggs. I think Varys gifted two of them to Mammon as tithe, right @DragonParadox? Plus Ember with Joran.

So we might have anywhere from 12-20 eggs to look forward to in the Lannister's possession.

I find it astonishingly unlikely they could hide their dragons unless the were smuggled into a Demiplane or hidden offplane, and hiding them offplane would have many many added logistics as to make it undesirable, so a larger demiplane is a more reasonable answer, and to make a large demiplane would take enormous amounts of resources.

Not saying the Lannisters wouldn't have access to them though. But then that means they could be waiting on a bunch of dragons to grow to combat weight right now.

We really need to dig through Gerion and Lanna's heads at some point. Also other mages in Tywin's possession.
 
5-9... from Valyria.

We recovered a number of those eggs. I think Varys gifted two of them to Mammon as tithe, right @DragonParadox? Plus Ember with Joran.

So we might have anywhere from 12-20 eggs to look forward to in the Lannister's possession.

I find it astonishingly unlikely they could hide their dragons unless the were smuggled into a Demiplane or hidden offplane, and hiding them offplane would have many many added logistics as to make it undesirable, so a larger demiplane is a more reasonable answer, and to make a large demiplane would take enormous amounts of resources.

Not saying the Lannisters wouldn't have access to them though. But then that means they could be waiting on a bunch of dragons to grow to combat weight right now.

We really need to dig through Gerion and Lanna's heads at some point. Also other mages in Tywin's possession.
@DragonParadox, I am 100% okay with you letting them have a demiplane if you let us loot it.
 
Not saying anyone is, was just adding on that some people were saying 'hey yeah, we should be really severe in our measures here', and I'm like--well the other methods used would be death and by that measure our going to great lengths to find any reason not to kill them will likely involve similarly restrictive and invasive measures, just not tearing away their ability to even have children some day.
Like adding them to the house of mirrors schedule, and fostering them. For example on another continent.
 
@Duesal So we ALSO have a couple of fiendish template feral dragons to look forward to.

In the far future.

Actually maybe more. Maybe fiendish feral dragons will be a staple in Mammon's arsenal? And I guess Asmodeus, because all the Arch-Dukes have to pay him a tithe in whatever sum he wants, in any 'currency' he wants, which might mean dragon eggs.
 
@Duesal So we ALSO have a couple of fiendish template feral dragons to look forward to.

In the far future.

Actually maybe more. Maybe fiendish feral dragons will be a staple in Mammon's arsenal? And I guess Asmodeus, because all the Arch-Dukes have to pay him a tithe in whatever sum he wants, in any 'currency' he wants, which might mean dragon eggs.
I was very pleased about that. I've been begging DP to give us fiendish dragons to kill for years now.

If still got my fingers crossed for that three-headed one. I want that Limited Wish graft.
 
@Duesal So we ALSO have a couple of fiendish template feral dragons to look forward to.

In the far future.

Actually maybe more. Maybe fiendish feral dragons will be a staple in Mammon's arsenal? And I guess Asmodeus, because all the Arch-Dukes have to pay him a tithe in whatever sum he wants, in any 'currency' he wants, which might mean dragon eggs.
Uh. If someone really wanted to hurt us, he'd wait until we got a decent number of ferals and then used his to undo the curse.
 
Ah, Sandor... you loveable, assholish bag of wrath and murder...

Going to cook something up once I got the time. This is a bit more finnagly then I expected.
 
I'm curious as to how much taming Valryian dragons can be blunt forced with magic and how much you need the blood for it to work. We haven't really heard anything about the eggs the Lanisters have collected since they tried that thing with the Velaryons, which to me suggests that they're really stymied on getting something useful out of them. Not only in time to let them grow, but also appropriate riders - pressganging random dragonseeds doesn't have quite the same effect as putting a Lannister on one.

I suppose they could try to bond a Plumm, but that'd just cause as many problems if it worked than if it didn't.
 
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So was Dany.

Look I get it, I am convincing no one to treat them like the second coming of >insert relevant setting appropriate threat here<, because they're kids, but like, for instance, literally any measure taken to keep them in check would be preferable to acting like they are such non-threats that you could set them loose to do what they want with no one watching them.

Even sending them to Lanna and Gerion would be preferable, since neither of those two is likely to let them so much as breathe the word treason while they have their own kids to worry about.

Emphasis mine.

Who exactly is doing this? Please, do tell.

I didn't specifically call out putting them under permanent watch and such, and my original thought process was "No more watched than the Essosi Magister Children" so I can definitely see where Crake's point comes from.

Their safety will be guaranteed, but they're definitely not going to be protected from the full backlash. It is far too important of a tool politically for utterly destroying the image of Baratheon royalty. No way in hell are we keeping quiet about this.

I'm pretty sure that guaranteeing their safety is what was being asked for.

I took it as a wider interpretation of safeguarding their "heritage", which is definitely not our priority, hence my response.

If it's just safety then we can definitely guarantee that.

If we could in fact guard them from the consequences of being publically known as incestuous bastards, that would be great, but I freely acknowledge that "protection from physical harm and royal favor as all Wards have such" is likely the absolute best we could reasonably provide.
 
I'm curious as to how much taming Valryian dragons can be blunt forced with magic and how much you need the blood for it to work. We haven't really heard anything about the eggs the Lanisters have collected since they tried that thing with the Velaryons, which to me suggests that they're really stymied on getting something useful out of them. Not only in time to let them grow, but also appropriate riders - pressganging random dragonseeds doesn't have quite the same effect as putting a Lannister on one.

I suppose they could try to bond a Plumm, but that'd just cause as many problems if it worked than if it didn't.
It might not even require either. In canon Nettles tamed Sheepstealer by simply offering it a sheep every day until it trusted her enough to let her ride it. However this required a good amount of common sense and we all know that that is in short supply in Westeros.
 
Fair enough, everyone who made a plan or side story helped out a hell of a lot to make this quest as amazing as it is.

Which undersells other contributions, either in bookkeeping, fluffwriting, mechanical knowledge or just driving discussion which helps people even come up with plans or keep themselves invested to do any of that other stuff.

Ascribing value to someone's contributions around here as holding inherently more worth is cancer. And I'm the surgeon just coming off probation... nice to meet you.
 
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