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I was afraid of this.
We'll need to take care of that before the Leshys over the weekend. XP always takes priority.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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I was afraid of this.
We'll need to take care of that before the Leshys over the weekend. XP always takes priority.
Just find it hard to believe the Tyrells haven't even tried to see how he would take deal. They are pretty ambitious and Marg is very ambitious. What exactly is keeping them away in detail if they still haven't tried?
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Council from the Fey would be my guess.
Council from the Fey and possibly internal problems, they're sitting on their own personal schism in the Faith after all. The fact disliking us is one of very few things both sides in said schism can agree to would make it difficult to approach us. Specially when it's hard to keep secrets from the Fae.
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I love the first four seasons of the show and flatly refuse to touch the rest, and hold anyone who references the show's canon as having any sort of pull in utter contempt.
There's a reason I've been arguing against the fiction that the North is completely loyal to the Starks, and can give an analysis of the various houses if you'd want me to.
"Yeah don't go to the Dragon. He'll totally take control. Totally trust us. We'll have all the Reach ourselves."
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I mean one could argue that the North in the show was more treacherous/less loyal than the ones in the book. As for the North being completely loyal...well of course not every lord is loyal but enough lords exist that are loyal that the detractors can do little but grumble.
Crake
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Fey don't like a rival.
They really don't like how we'd treat them.
The keyword here being 'pests'.
That really rustles their jimmies something fierce. No matter how accurate it actually is, there are just some things they think should not be said or done. Like sighing exasperatedly, grabbing the broom, and sweeping up all the ashes they left behind after you finished tidying up.
They really don't like that.
Edit: What? We've already fulfilled our quota of Fey-bashing today?
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Have I told you how much I hate Tyrells already?
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Oh. I have.
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I REALLY HATE TYRELLS.
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And that's where I call bullshit. The Stark's rule a feudal state with a culture that highly values oaths and loyalty. This can lead to genuinely fanatical loyalists like the Manderlys, but those are the exception - if the Stark's look weak or their leadership incompetent and doomed, their vassals will revolt. You don't need Robb Stark burning every bridge in sight for that to happen - in fact, the dumbass ends up getting glorified in canon for still fitting the ideal for a warrior king and dying to betrayal.
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You aren't hearing disagreements from me. I agree with you but the fact still remains that right now at this moment enough lords find the Stark competent enough to not care about revolts and the ones that do can only grumble because they aren't going to get support from the majority. That and the fact that the succession looks secure as all hell. I mean 6 kids and a bastard mmm the Starks look like a good bet right now.
Fey don't like a rival.
They really don't like how we'd treat them.
The keyword here being 'pests'.
That really rustles their jimmies something fierce. No matter how accurate it actually is, there are just some things they think should not be said or done. Like sighing exasperatedly, grabbing the broom, and sweeping up all the ashes they left behind after you finished tidying up.
They really don't like that.
Edit: What? We've already fulfilled our quota of Fey-bashing today?
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Have I told you how much I hate Tyrells already?
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Oh. I have.
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I REALLY HATE TYRELLS.
Like the Fey in the Reach are a pain. Garth the Green supports them for some reason. Margaery is most likely being influenced by them too by Garth the Green. What Margaery is doing with the Reach party must be very interesting. Think they'll be at the Faith thing?
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I'm about to get my wisdom tooth out and I will unashamedly leverage the hatred of dentists into a request for Omake: Drakenbeast Jousting.
Pretty good odds one of you writey types has the phobia*
*The emoji in part reflects the current control I have over my own mouth, numbing has already begun.
Pretty good odds one of you writey types has the phobia
**The emoji in part reflects the current control I have over my own mouth, numbing has already begun.
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I'm about to get my wisdom tooth out and I will unashamedly leverage the hatred of dentists into a request for Omake: Drakenbeast Jousting.
Pretty good odds one of you writey types has the phobia
*The emoji in part reflects the current control I have over my own mouth, numbing has already begun.
I got mine extracted yesterday. It still stings a little and I can feel where my teeth were. It is not a good feeling.
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Garth the Green supports them because he is and always was firmly under the thumb of the Fey.
His first companion was Aryssa the Pixie Scout, who taught him magic, equipped him with halfway decent gear, etc.
He was subsequently equipped by the fey court, and then persuaded Mace Tyrell to accept a goddamn Mind Blank ring as a gift. Gods know what kind of debt the Tyrells are in for that.
It really is no surprise that Garth is their pawn.
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There isn't a single part of this I don't disagree with or is just patently wrong, the least of which being there aren't 6 Starks. There's Lord Eddard, Robb - a child - his bastard, and two daughters. A strong succession this does not make. House Stark's critical weakness is in this regard is a good part of the reason Bolton made his play in canon, actually.
Then there's the fact that more than one major house is actively disloyal on their own terms, the North is angered by Ned's seeming Southron ties, and we exist and are fucking terrifying.
Traitors can do a hell of a lot more than complain, bud.
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Is there a post outlining all the events for the festival?
Considering displays of magic. Is Viserys and/or Lya doing any kind of demonstration? Or even any of the other companions?
I think it would be great if Viserys and Lya did a combined magic performance. Almost like a far more impressive couples dance. As well as a kind of "This is what you can aspire to" for the other mages, and a "This is the power I protect my realm with" for everyone else.
Considering displays of magic. Is Viserys and/or Lya doing any kind of demonstration? Or even any of the other companions?
I think it would be great if Viserys and Lya did a combined magic performance. Almost like a far more impressive couples dance. As well as a kind of "This is what you can aspire to" for the other mages, and a "This is the power I protect my realm with" for everyone else.
Crake
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Now, and to be fair, while Robb was an idiot, the Starks get insulation from such idiocy from a complex web of allegiances woven across generations binding Houses in the North from acting against them (because by and large during times of peace, of which the North has largely been left out of any wars that occurred unless they marched South, in which case they were showing unity in purpose due to having another monarch to serve).
Basically, there was rarely such upheaval as the War of Five Kings, that touched every single Kingdom, and it is largely laid at the feet of treason against House Targaryen.
So if you think about it, the only reason things are as bad as they are now, in canon, and in ASWaH, is that they decided to overthrow the Dragons.
#TeamTargRepresent
That said, it would have been smart to have either made moves sooner to place Rhaegar on the throne, or even better, take advantage of the distinct opportunity a baby King who could have been molded into the perfect puppet would have granted. They could have stripped the Crown of all power, even beyond what they had lost since the Dance as time went on. Becoming largely ceremonial while a council of high lords governed in the day to day.
But nope... because "MUH DYNASTY" or "MUH DISTINCT NON-HOMOGENEOUS BUT STILL RATHER BLAND CULTURE".
God, you need to lean hard on Devils to explain away some of the stupidest bullshit that occurred. It's no wonder half the shit in ASWaH Targaryen history has Baator's reeking hands all over it.
Basically, there was rarely such upheaval as the War of Five Kings, that touched every single Kingdom, and it is largely laid at the feet of treason against House Targaryen.
So if you think about it, the only reason things are as bad as they are now, in canon, and in ASWaH, is that they decided to overthrow the Dragons.
#TeamTargRepresent
That said, it would have been smart to have either made moves sooner to place Rhaegar on the throne, or even better, take advantage of the distinct opportunity a baby King who could have been molded into the perfect puppet would have granted. They could have stripped the Crown of all power, even beyond what they had lost since the Dance as time went on. Becoming largely ceremonial while a council of high lords governed in the day to day.
But nope... because "MUH DYNASTY" or "MUH DISTINCT NON-HOMOGENEOUS BUT STILL RATHER BLAND CULTURE".
God, you need to lean hard on Devils to explain away some of the stupidest bullshit that occurred. It's no wonder half the shit in ASWaH Targaryen history has Baator's reeking hands all over it.
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I mean outright rebellion will go horribly, maybe withholding taxes? I don't see why they would do anything rash right now. I mean later on sure but right House Stark seems safe and yes there is the "Oh but southern ties" but honestly that kind of goes under grumbling because they aren't doing anything about it. If you can show active disloyalty rather than passing thoughts I will believe you. And no the Red Wedding isn't an example. Frankly you are arguing people are disloyal now and not after the shit show that was the war of five kings.
Edit: And what Crake said above.
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I'm arguing that people were disloyal before the War of the Five Kings - people are always disloyal, this is feudalism - but house Stark's position was strong enough that there was no opportunity to show that or act upon it.
Now? That ain't the case anymore. I'm not saying the Dustin's are going to raise their banner in rebellion any day now, but you're extremely overestimating the power and stability the Stark's actually hold.
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Being conscious while my wisdom teeth were extracted is one of the biggest regrets of my life. It was three hours of torture.I'm about to get my wisdom tooth out and I will unashamedly leverage the hatred of dentists into a request for Omake: Drakenbeast Jousting.
Pretty good odds one of you writey types has the phobia
*The emoji in part reflects the current control I have over my own mouth, numbing has already begun.
I hope you have a better experience!
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That's genuinely uncanny, I just had mine out today.
Crake
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Also, @LonelyWolf999 I think you are standing upon your point too finely here.
While it is not impossible for some of House Stark's lords to be upset or show disloyalty, the reasons you posit as the reasoning seem largely unconvincing.
The multiple times that Ned has been pressed by Jon (who is largely to blame for the clusterfuck state the SK is in, I mean really, rewarding Tywin Lannister, just because you were afraid of a little war might be necessary to get him to back off? FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED, YOU FUCK!) and Robert to stop treating with us, he not only said no, he had the balls to say "that is the purest form of folly I have ever heard" and then got away with it.
It doesn't hurt that it is a chance-y prospect to try to make a blatant move against House Stark, who's patriarch has negotiated in person with the one they supposedly might be so afraid of (or just see as an opportunity to oust their rival, ala Bolton).
Considering Stark was a chief instigator of the rebellion and supported our usurpation, the fact that we decided to talk with Ned first rather than sneak behind his back and backchannel through Umber or Bolton or hell Barbrey Fucking Dustin who's enmity is no secret, says a lot.
Starks ain't down, they ain't even being kicked.
While it is not impossible for some of House Stark's lords to be upset or show disloyalty, the reasons you posit as the reasoning seem largely unconvincing.
The multiple times that Ned has been pressed by Jon (who is largely to blame for the clusterfuck state the SK is in, I mean really, rewarding Tywin Lannister, just because you were afraid of a little war might be necessary to get him to back off? FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED, YOU FUCK!) and Robert to stop treating with us, he not only said no, he had the balls to say "that is the purest form of folly I have ever heard" and then got away with it.
It doesn't hurt that it is a chance-y prospect to try to make a blatant move against House Stark, who's patriarch has negotiated in person with the one they supposedly might be so afraid of (or just see as an opportunity to oust their rival, ala Bolton).
Considering Stark was a chief instigator of the rebellion and supported our usurpation, the fact that we decided to talk with Ned first rather than sneak behind his back and backchannel through Umber or Bolton or hell Barbrey Fucking Dustin who's enmity is no secret, says a lot.
Starks ain't down, they ain't even being kicked.
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How is their position any different from before the War of Five Kings? You know other than the fact that we exist. Like are there attacks on their legitimacy? Is there an open rebellion? Are certain lords and ladies being difficult? How is their position not secure right now?
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We also need XP for persuading Melisandre. XP is for overcoming challenges, and persuading Melisandre of all people to be more open-minded certainly counts.