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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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fan550 said:
is there a reason we do not just push up talking over Westores?
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Yes. We need to deal with the Golden Company/Tiamat and the Deep Ones before we conquer Westeros, or they will seize the opportunity to mess with our conquest and generally ruin it for everyone both IC and OOC. Once we deal with them we'll be able to enjoy our conquest. However, if Westeros gets itself into a civil war before we're ready, we're between a rock and a hard place.
MTB said:
Goldy found the solution in Wild Arcana ...
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Oh, missed that. That's a massive relief.
 
065tdsa said:
Well pound for pound they were worse, but Westeros has a lot more pounds. Difference between 3 city states and a continent.
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Yeah but pound for pound is how you have to compare them, after all the amount of people whose lives are bettered, and the amount of profit we get from conquering it, is also increased pound by pound, so the only fair comparison is pound by pound.
One Autumn Leaf said:
Yeah Uncle Bloodraven gave the worst news possible. Really it is some bullshit but this seems to give further credence to the plan of replacing Varys. So I am cool with it. But man it must suck being told you have to keep the man you hate alive, even temporarily.
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Robert isn't the man Viserys hate, that would be either Tywin or Gregor Clegane, Robert is a man Viserys hate, but he's pretty far down the list, probably only somewhat above the more cruel slavers, and the cruelest slavers, such as the one whose cruelty created a fiendish creature of despair, he probably hate near as much as Robert.
DragonParadox said:
While Viserys does hate Robert, it could be worse. He might have been asked to keep Tywin alive.:V
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There are many he would have hated having to keep alive more, at least if he had to keep them alive without imprisoning them, as he has to do with Robert, I mean I'm quite sure he would hate it far more, if he had to keep those child-eating, demon worshipping, flying Drow alive and in power for a plan.
Snowfire said:
Key point here. Were.

Also lul, this is going to be good. The main issue here is that actually taking over for Varys will require the ability to be in multiple places at once - which we can't be. Literally cannot, not with our schedule.

So we need one of two things. A simulacrum (nope nope nope) or someone else to do the job for us, that we can keep in mental contact with. If we had the time, I'd suggest building an Incarnum for it, but we don't.

Grrrr.
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Well yeah but we had to clean them up ourselves, and when we take the remaining slaver cities we will have to clean them up too, it's the same with Westeros, after we take it, we are certainly not going to let it remain a shithole, even if it's one of the least smelly pre cleaning.
Goldfish said:
That's how Simulacrums normally work. They are loyal to their creator, not necessarily the person being simulated. This is why I had an issue with believing Varys had someone create the Simulacrum for him, because then it wouldn't be loyal to him.

If we create one using Varys' flesh, we could have just slotted it right back into the Red Keep. Unfortunately, we implicated him in Pycelle's disappearance when we sent the shitbiscuit looking for the Usurper.
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Yeah that's how the basic Simulacrums work, but in all likelihood, it's not all that difficult, to make a ritual to change a Simulacrums loyalty, to the one it's a Simulacrum of.
 
...We can probably make a simulacrum that'd be under Bloodraven's control/mental bond.
If there's a person I'd trust to overtake Varys' schemes, it's him.

Although "trust" is perhaps too strong of a word.
I'm assured in his competence.
 
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egoo said:
...We can probably make a simulacrum that'd be under Bloodraven's control/mental bond.
If there's a person I'd trust to overtake Varys' schemes, it's him.

Although "trust" is perhaps too strong of a word.
I'm assured in his competence.
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Telepathic bond it to BR, creator tells simulacrum 'follow orders received via bond'.
 
egoo said:
...We can probably make a simulacrum that'd be under Bloodraven's control/mental bond.
If there's a person I'd trust to overtake Varys' schemes, it's him.

Although "trust" is perhaps too strong of a word.
I'm assured in his competence.
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MTB said:
Telepathic bond it to BR, creator tells simulacrum 'follow orders received via bond'.
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If we do this, Viserys would be their creator and should also be the one we link to them via Telepathic Bond.
 
Goldfish said:
If we do this, Viserys would be their creator and should also be the one we link to them via Telepathic Bond.
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Well, doing it this way would allow Bloodraven to act way more freely in Westeros, and won't make us waste time...

The problem is, I start being paranoid again.

Do we trust Bloodraven to such an extent?
Overtaking Varys' operations and "openly" moving in Westeros via simulacrums are an incredible boost in power for him.

I'm not sure if his basket is the best place for all intrigue-eggs :/
 
egoo said:
Overtaking Varys' operations and "openly" moving in Westeros via simulacrums are an incredible boost in power for him.
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He can't be Mind Linked anyway. The Old Gods wards are too strong.
egoo said:
The problem is, I start being paranoid again.

Do we trust Bloodraven to such an extent?
Overtaking Varys' operations and "openly" moving in Westeros via simulacrums are an incredible boost in power for him.

I'm not sure if his basket is the best place for all intrigue-eggs :/
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Paranoia's running rampant there, dude. It's far too late to be distrusting Bloodraven at this stage.
 
Goldfish said:
If we do this, Viserys would be their creator and should also be the one we link to them via Telepathic Bond.
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Viserys does not have the time. Bloodraven does, and with access to this sort of power...holy hell he'd be able to run circles around the Seven and use the influence of Varys and Pycelle to prepare for the reconquest and Long Night.

Duesal said:
He can't be Mind Linked anyway. The Old Gods wards are too strong.
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Source on that? Not meaning to distrust, but for this, I could see him being willing to shift some of his overarching attention. It's an immense power boost. And he's uniquely suited to dealing with this for us.
 
Snowfire said:
Source on that? Not meaning to distrust, but for this, I could see him being willing to shift some of his overarching attention. It's an immense power boost.
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Extrapolation on my part.

If the Whispering Braziers were hard-blocked by the wards, I would assume that Mind Link would be as well.

I would be happy to be wrong about this, it would make talking to Bloodraven easier for us if we had a direct link to him.
 
Duesal said:
Extrapolation on my part.

If the Whispering Braziers were hard-blocked by the wards, I would assume that Mind Link would be as well.

I would be happy to be wrong about this, it would make talking to Bloodraven easier for us if we had a direct link to him.
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He has to control all his spies and plots somehow. I suspect it's a form of mindlink, though probably not one he could use to us as a direct form of communication as we're not one of his tools.
 
Snowfire said:
He has to control all his spies and plots somehow. I suspect it's a form of mindlink, though probably not one he could use to us as a direct form of communication as we're not one of his tools.
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Point. Again, I will be happy to be wrong about this. The second DP confirms, then I'm voting to make a permanencied Telepathic Bond with Viserys, Dany, and Bloodraven. It will make things far easier on us if we can immediately talk to Bloodraven at the drop of a hat.
 
Snowfire said:
Viserys does not have the time. Bloodraven does, and with access to this sort of power...holy hell he'd be able to run circles around the Seven and use the influence of Varys and Pycelle to prepare for the reconquest and Long Night.



Source on that? Not meaning to distrust, but for this, I could see him being willing to shift some of his overarching attention. It's an immense power boost. And he's uniquely suited to dealing with this for us.
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It wouldn't take much of Viserys' attention to manage them. They go about their daily business, then report to him once a day, unless unusual circumstances warrant a break from routine.
 
Duesal said:
Point. Again, I will be happy to be wrong about this. The second DP confirms, then I'm voting to make a permanencied Telepathic Bond with Viserys, Dany, and Bloodraven. It will make things far easier on us if we can immediately talk to Bloodraven at the drop of a hat.
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I thought we asked DP about that a long time ago, but he ruled the wards prevented it?
 
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