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How so? I'm open for suggestions, but this is the perfect opportunity to ensure that Stannis remains away from Kings Landing and widen the rift between him and Robert.
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Hold on why do we care if Stannis dies? We could easily bring him back to life. It isn't exactly a hassle.
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While valid, the plan takes into account that they would find out her mind has been altered. It's supposed to have been altered by the Falxugon that Varys called up. If they can find out that Viserys is the one that altered her mind that means they have a higher level caster then Viserys and thats causes us way more problems than finding out that Viserys altered her mind. Plus if Stannis is actually killed by Cersei I'd imagine we could resurrect him, and have him side with us even further especially if Robert doesn't do anything to punish Cersei.
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[X] Plan neat and clean.
-[X] Hit Myrcella with a Greater Dispel Magic, then Quickened Deep Slumber.
-[X] Use a Bloodwished Modify Memory to implant the following memory:
--[X] She caught the kitty, and sat down and cuddled with it for a bit. She got sleepy from because she was tired from chasing it, and because it was purring, so she decided to take a nap.
-[X] Take a moment to make sure the princess is safe from harm, then take the cat and move on.
There, Azel's plan is a fine one, but I'd just rather not, thanks.
Need a good way to make sure the kid isn't found for a bit, not long, just 30 minutes or so, to establish a solid timeline.
-[X] Hit Myrcella with a Greater Dispel Magic, then Quickened Deep Slumber.
-[X] Use a Bloodwished Modify Memory to implant the following memory:
--[X] She caught the kitty, and sat down and cuddled with it for a bit. She got sleepy from because she was tired from chasing it, and because it was purring, so she decided to take a nap.
-[X] Take a moment to make sure the princess is safe from harm, then take the cat and move on.
There, Azel's plan is a fine one, but I'd just rather not, thanks.
Need a good way to make sure the kid isn't found for a bit, not long, just 30 minutes or so, to establish a solid timeline.
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If he stays alive there's plenty of ways to get Robert to piss him off more and more, and vice versa. Also I'm afraid DP will impose some kind of loyalty roll on whether or not Stannis accepts a resurrection.
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The idea is that we wont have Varys be tried by the Justice system. We're hunting him down right now and are probably going to just kill him outright if we can't capture and bookify/question him.
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At this point, Varys is a skull sitting in a trophy rack, so that hardly matters. Furthermore, the whole point of this is to make the implication in a way that only Cersei would ever take seriously.
Again, what is this doomsaying about? Who in their right mind would execute a Lord Paramount on the say-so of a toddler?
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>Implying Stannis would ever fail a loyalty roll
>Implying Cersei is in her right mind
Eleas
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A couple of points:
- Doesn't memory alteration require us to convincingly fake Varys, despite having never met him?
- This would naturally lead to Varys being tipped off and becoming persona non grata, particularly when people start trying to scry him in earnest. Do we really want him going to ground and putting the pieces together (which he will)?
- This still effectively burns easy entry and exit inside the castle, because wards and measures.
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Well Cersei but she doesn't count since you did specify they had to be in their right mind.........
EDIT: Curse You Talon!!
The point of this is to get Cersei to do something? If it is, then keep in mind she's nuts. Also, unless we're grabbing him right now, the second this plan starts working he'll know and go to ground. Whereas if we grab him right now and the plan starts working no one will believe a thing, not even Cersei.
EDIT: Yeah, I didn't read the plan right. Still seems unbelievable to me, but I guess even in a failure nothing's likely to go bad that we care about.
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The memory will only trigger once Vary's vanishes. I'm not entirely sure on how we can actually do that short of having a manual trigger that we release once we've caught Varys, but either way he should be in our hands when this memory shows up.
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1. Not really. We need to fool Myrcella with the memory, not an adult.
2. The memory specifically stays hidden until Varys has disappeared or is proven dead. He will not be able to act on any of this.
3. They will ramp up security efforts anyway once the Master of Whisperers goes missing. This way though, they will ward against Devils, not Targaryens.
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It's not a manual trigger, it triggers when Myrcella learns that Varys is gone. Which is the way Unconscious Agenda works.
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Please add Greater Arcane Vision first before we dispell if @DragonPardox says we can cast it in the time period
Or, for, and this is potentially a bad suggestion, have it in the vote that we cast Greater Arcane Vision as soon as Viserys realised it was the King's daughter, if that would be ok DP? If timing is an issue wrt current plan. I am deeply curious about what her parents have seen fit to give her with.
Also, tripwires are a good thing to install when you're heavily warding someone imo, espically when you have several limits on how heavy you can make them due to lack of resources (like Westerosi lacks), so a dispel carries its own risks here, if anyone needs a non-curiosity reason
Assuming that magic hitting royalty or lords here has a chance of pinging on Varys' "web" seems like a reasonable caution to hold imo.
*Reads rest of plan* wtf Azel!? No. Do not traumatise the innocent three year old with an image of a devil. That is a "not ok" thing to do. To see a fiend in its true form is to know its foulness, though one may not have the words to describe it. That's like... A thing. And an image of a devil would have the same effect of wrongness.
I was gonna suggest having it be an invisible monster that Varys' refers to using some polite term/title that would make it clear to a mage what he was taking to, but on further thought, why trumatise this child that far even?
[X] Snowfire
And even then I can see a straight chain of events leading a divination trail straight back to Ellea and thingy martell from this.
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Yep. Unconcious Agenda is also wonderful for being nearly impossible to detect, even when using the standard detection magics. You would have to do a serious deep inspection to find any trace of it.
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True but aren't there varying degrees of gone especially to a toddler? I imagine if she heard the Varys just left the keep would that trigger the memory? I'm uncertain whether the interpretation of our order under Unconscious Agenda works according to our understanding or out targets understanding. If it's the latter just a toddler hearing that Varys isn't anywhere nearby could cause the memory to show up as she might interpret that as he's gone.
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Why do we care about the child? Cool its Mycerella. If she sees a devil then nothing will come of it. She is three. At most it will be a bad dream. With this plan we can drive a wedge further between the Baratheon brothers and not kill him once battle comes. We are doing this to spare Stannis.
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Just for the record, not one of our wards, Dany's playmates or other kids at home had any kind of "horrible mental scarring" because they saw Mereth and Leto out of disguise.Please add Greater Arcane Vision first before we dispell if @DragonPardox says we can cast it in the time period
Or, for, and this is potentially a bad suggestion, have it in the vote that we cast Greater Arcane Vision as soon as Viserys realised it was the King's daughter, if that would be ok DP? If timing is an issue wrt current plan. I am deeply curious about what her parents have seen fit to give her with.
Also, tripwires are a good thing to install when you're heavily warding someone imo, espically when you have several limits on how heavy you can make them due to lack of resources (like Westerosi lacks), so a dispel carries its own risks here, if anyone needs a non-curiosity reason
Assuming that magic hitting royalty or lords here has a chance of pinging on Varys' "web" seems like a reasonable caution to hold imo.
*Reads rest of plan* wtf Azel!? No. Do not traumatise the innocent three year old with an image of a devil. That is a "not ok" thing to do. To see a fiend in its true form is to know its foulness, though one may not have the words to describe it. That's like... A thing. And an image of a devil would have the same effect of wrongness.
I was gonna suggest having it be an invisible monster that Varys' refers to using some polite term/title that would make it clear to a mage what he was taking to, but on further thought, why trumatise this child that far even?
[X] Snowfire
And even then I can see a straight chain of events leading a divination trail straight back to Ellea and thingy martell from this.
You are getting offended for the sake of getting offended.
@Azel there's a bit of an issue with the plan. Myrcella being a three year old has never seen a Falxugon which means if someone finds a memory of one in her head there are only two options:
- She actually saw one
- Someone implanted a false memory
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So what if she sees a devil?