But the Lyseni war irked me because it was incredibly unnecessary. Very cool OOC, but very unnecessary. This isn't "kill a few dozen semi-innocent pasties to kill major devil-worshippers in KL" (I don't care about that), or even "kill a few dozen innocents when destroying the Rock for PR". No, this is "start a war and kill thousands just for PR" when we could have used intrigue and mind control/murder to achieve the same result. Heck, we could have pulled a well-prepared Tyrosh 2.0 and just used propaganda and stories of the Legion breaking Unsullied to get good PR!
It wasn't just for PR, among other things, it was also to bind the Dothraki closer to us.
 
And we get annoyed with you, because you do the same the other way around, you dismiss the good we do as just pragmatism, and argue for the bad we do, to mean we are the bad guy.

Viserys is a complex character, he do some evil things and some good things, and in the end calling him evil, is at least as wrong as calling him good.

So yeah I think part of our arguing against you and near calling Viserys a Paragon, is that we remember you trying to make him out to be a monster, and that's not a thing we want, and in trying to refute that idea, we go too far in the other direction.
I have been utterly silent on that front for months while you keep dredging up "Good leaning", so kindly stop playing the victim.
 
Hmm maybe we could have other characters such as Lady Uraka, Alinor or even Bronn mention how far Viserys has come on his magical advancements. I mean Sorcerers Deep is a City of Wonders and maybe Viserys hasn't had that pointed out to him explicitly so he hasn't really internialised that he caused this.
 
I have been utterly silent on that front for months while you keep dredging up "Good leaning", so kindly stop playing the victim.
Yeah you have, in the same way I have been silent about reincarnating people into dragons for even longer, yet I still get taunted with it and called a pariah, your reputation lingers here in the thread, that's true for both you and me.
 
Just to be clear: my objections to the Lyseni plan were moral pangs warring with the awesomeness of the chapter (and my desires to make Aedon lose it all before he died). This is just a story and I do love reading a nice beatdown from time to time... But IC this is kinda skeevy...
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The plan had a lot of benefits, also it sets a bad precedent if we handle EVERY. SINGLE. CONFLICT. Personally. We have directly stated intent before to be involved in military matters as much as possible, but proving to others that our military is literally just kind of a joke-y side project to "AM DRAGON BURN ALL" prevents people from underestimating it just because we're not in the area.

Is it kind of ruthless and horrible? NO DOUBT.

But it wasn't pointless and OOC.
 
Yeah you have, in the same way I have been silent about reincarnating people into dragons for even longer, yet I still get taunted with it and called a pariah, your reputation lingers here in the thread, that's true for both you and me.
So you feel entitled to effectively attack me constantly and out of the blue, not for something I'm saying, but my sheer presence?

Look, aiming at one of the people who pointedly don't carry a grudge over your past actions might not be the wisest move to get rid of the pariah tag. Because I'm certainly not going to speak up against that again.
 
The plan had a lot of benefits, also it sets a bad precedent if we handle EVERY. SINGLE. CONFLICT. Personally. We have directly stated intent before to be involved in military matters as much as possible, but proving to others that our military is literally just kind of a joke-y side project to "AM DRAGON BURN ALL" prevents people from underestimating it just because we're not in the area.

Is it kind of ruthless and horrible? NO DOUBT.

But it wasn't pointless and OOC.
Oh, I'm aware of the fact that it had benefits. I just don't consider them particularly worth the cost in lives, but that's my opinion and you're free to disagree with it.
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Frankly put, I'm rather dissatisfied with the final stretch of the Lys intrigue myself as shit kept going wrong at every juncture, yet we had not enough information or time to really plan around it.

For example the whole thing with the army being sick for weeks was a nasty surprise and had we known earlier, we could have done something much smoother.

As it is, I just soldiered on and tried to somehow make this shitshow work, not because that's how I wanted it to be, but because I wanted it done and over with.
 
I think it's nice for Viserys to feel bad about stuff occasionally.

Also to not feel bad about stuff occasionally.

I hope this was helpful :V

I was actually surprised to see that he offered the drow the chance to surrender. I certainly wouldn't have.

We've never...

That guy who accidentally summoned a demon.

That was close, probably the closest Viserys ever got to really unleashing that dragon anger and cruelty on one of the "regular people".

I remeber coming up with a plan for turning him into a ghoul, decapitating him, and hanging his skull in a public venue as a warning to others.

...

For all his self control Viserys is a person who's emotions run incredibly close to the surface. It's not unusual to see an entire plan turn on a dime to deal with some plucky princess looking for indelendence, or dangerous evil threat.

It's one of the few things that break through the positively machine like pragmatism he normally displays.

Which to me is worth it.

Because I do find the depths of ruthlessness we sink to disheartening. Especially since nobody seems to have ever cared or acknowledged that we do so.
 
So you feel entitled to effectively attack me constantly and out of the blue, not for something I'm saying, but my sheer presence?

Look, aiming at one of the people who pointedly don't carry a grudge over your past actions might not be the wisest move to get rid of the pariah tag. Because I'm certainly not going to speak up against that again.
That was not what I meant to say, I was just saying that our comments in the past color our future interactions, you have spoken up a lot about preferring an evil protagonist, so when you speak about morality, the people who prefer a good protagonist get defensive, as they know that their preferred morality is radically different from yours.

I wasn't saying I feel entitled to attack you, just that we all have reputations, and those reputations, color how people interpret what we write.

I certainly don't feel entitled to attack you, but because of those old comments, even if they are indeed old comments, when you are talking morality, I subconsciously do tend to assume, that you are pushing for a slightly darker Viserys than I would like, which don't give me the right to attack you, but might cause me to misinterpret your comments slightly.

If I came off as saying I had a right to attack you, then I apologize, that was certainly not what I meant to say, I just wanted to point out, that people thinking you were pushing Viserys toward LE again, might be part of why they argued so fiercely against you.
 
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Frankly put, I'm rather dissatisfied with the final stretch of the Lys intrigue myself as shit kept going wrong at every juncture, yet we had not enough information or time to really plan around it.

For example the whole thing with the army being sick for weeks was a nasty surprise and had we known earlier, we could have done something much smoother.

As it is, I just soldiered on and tried to somehow make this shitshow work, not because that's how I wanted it to be, but because I wanted it done and over with.

Speaking of 'too little information' I think the current vote might suffer from just that. I think I'll get rid of the last vote and just have your next update be a debriefing on the KL situation. What do you guys think?
 
Speaking of 'too little information' I think the current vote might suffer from just that. I think I'll get rid of the last vote and just have your next update be a debriefing on the KL situation. What do you guys think?
It would certainly be appreciated. Right now we are acting on exactly nothing, which is always sub-optimal.
 
I remember people wanting that war specifically because they needed to keep the promise to Rango about giving him glory and victories while he tries to steer the dothraki into proper proto-mongols.
I can't speak for others, but my reasoning:

1. Keeping our oath to give Rhango a grand victory to use to gather the remnants of the Dothraki to his khalasar
2. Utterly annihilating the dissidents who would march against us and sow chaos in Lys if left alive
3. Showing the world the might of the Legion, having our legionnaires prevail against overwhelming odds (in the same line as the Unsullied beating the Dothraki, the Dothraki trampling the Sarnori, etc., basically carving their legend into the world and making everyone realize very quickly that our Legion is serious business)
4. Blooding our Legion
5. Wiping out the Spicers who would have undoubtedly made out takeover of the city much harder, all while keeping the blame firmly pinned on Aedon while keeping our hands clean

It was a dirty job, but conquering the world is a dirty job, and I regret none of it. It's a shame about the collateral damage, but at the same time it's so much less than a normal conquest. I would do it all over again, though that said I'd probably assign Aedon a babysitter of some sort so that we wouldn't have an infuriating repeat of the army getting sick and delaying us for weeks.
 
I was actually surprised to see that he offered the drow the chance to surrender. I certainly wouldn't have.

As you begin to descent into their tunnels one of them calls a surrender, the words clear through the aid of sorcery of her own. You do not dignify the offer with a reply. It is all you can do not to laugh, but you manage it, not because you do not hold them in contempt but because they are not worth a single wasted breath of the fetid loathsome place they have made their lair.
We didn't.
One tried to surrender, but we didn't really react.
 
Its the thing you ask when you wish to express concern over someone emotional well-being without coming across as overbearing or insensitive to most people.

So, is your emotional well-being adequate at this place and time? or should I try bothering people for more omakes.

THE GHOST OF OMAKEMASS PAST
 
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