Sample Mystic build and progression:
Mystic 1 - HP 9
STR 8 - DEX 12 - CON 13 - INT 14 - WIS 15 - CHA 10. Feats: Healing Devotion, Magical Training (cast as sorcerer, Prestidigitation, Message, Launch Item), Precocious Apprentice (Zone of Truth).
Flaw: Noncombatant

Non-human: No Diplomacy. Gain Flaw: Inattentive.
Skills: Max Concentration, Diplomacy, Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (Religion), Spellcraft.

Special: Sun Domain: gain ability to turn undead as a Cleric.
Spells known: Detect Magic, Guidance, Create Water, Read Magic, Divine Favor, Resurgence

Advancement:
2nd: Learn Mending.
3rd: Enter Church Inquisitor Prestige class. Use extra skill points for Sense Motive and if non-human Diplomacy, otherwise Bluff. Gain the Inquisition domain (learn Detect Chaos, get +4 to Dispel). Learn Protection from Evil.
4th: +1 Wis. Get Heat Metal from Sun domain and Zone of Truth from Inquisition domain. Learn Substitute Domain and Purify Food and Drink. Retrain Practised Spellcaster into Expanded Arcana (Zone of Truth - to be able to Substitute away the Inquisition domain if needed).
5th: Learn Remove Fear, Divine Insight.
6th: Take the Divine Defiance feat. Learn Dispel Magic and get Searing Light and Detect Thoughts from Domains). Retrain Expanded Arcana (Zone of Truth) into Expanded Arcana (Zone of Truth, Dark Way).

Combat gear: Reinforced Segmented Fullplate, Extreme Shield, Razor-Sharp Thinblade, two javelins, razorsharp dagger. Misc gear.

tl;dr: At level 1 they have decent healing through turn-fuelled Healing Devotion, and 1/day Zone of Truth. At level 4 they get excellent flexibility thanks to Substitute domain (which they can end whenever they want if they want their actual Domains back). At level 6 Divine Defiance makes them very useful in large land battles: they can spontaneously dispel enemy spells as a standard action!
They also have some social skills thank to Church Inquisitor and Divine Insight (so they could be decent as lawmen or Inquisition goons).
Sadly they have no save-or-die spells (that would require switching to the Dream domain to get sleep or something, which they can't do before level 4) but they can always just buff themselves and hit things in melee anyway.
Thanks to Healing Devotion which auto-activates when they fall to 0HP or less, they're our toughest magelings by far!
What would be your preferences for a 1st level and 2nd level PoSK for our Mystics to complement their builds?
 
What would be your preferences for a 1st level and 2nd level PoSK for our Mystics to complement their builds?
Depends how Cheesy @DragonParadox is going to let us be. Can we have Lya use Alternative Spell Source to craft PoSK of Divine versions of Arcane spells?
Oh and do you mind that I made this a 6-level build? They're basically divine Sorcerers, I think that they should also stop at level 6 and not 5.

If we're allowed Alternative Spell Sourced versions of spells, I'd want a PoSK of Divine Sleep (can also be replicated by an Mystic capable of casting Substitute Domain to get at the Dream Domain) and Divine Entangle (Mystics can cast it through Plant domain). Both are level 1 save-or-lose spells.

If we're not, then I'd want a PoSK of Sound Burst (Fort save-or-stun). Cleric level 1 spells are shit anyway if you can't get proper DMM up.

EDIT: By the way, thanks for reminding me. I just had them retrain MAgical Training into Expanded Arcana (Enthrall) at level 5: that's a pretty good AoE Will save-or-suck, even though it doesn't help with killing them very much. It's still great for positioning and fleeing and whatnot.
 
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Depends how Cheesy @DragonParadox is going to let us be. Can we have Lya use Alternative Spell Source to craft PoSK of Divine versions of Arcane spells?
Oh and do you mind that I made this a 6-level build? They're basically divine Sorcerers, I think that they should also stop at level 6 and not 5
  1. That's a bit more cheese than I'm comfortable with since it effectively makes classes less unique and I would like to avoid that.
  2. Sure that sounds fine.
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 12, 2019 at 11:04 AM, finished with 264332 posts and 13 votes.

  • [X] Reject the oath
    -[X] Such an oath is unacceptable. We will swear never to deliberately lie or mislead. Lies of omission, however, cannot always be avoided, as there may be times where Varnor simply cannot be privy to sensitive information, requiring us to withhold the truth for the good of himself or others.
    --[X] Explain to Varnor that in a world where Divination magic and mind-reading is becoming increasingly common, there is information he simply doesn't need to know, for the safety of himself and others.
    --[X] Give Varnor a Ring of Protection from Evil and Healing Belt. Tell him the ring will offer some protection from mental intrusion and make it much more difficult to influence or control his mind, but it is not an absolute defense.
    [X] Agree
    [X] Croissant
 
Non-human: No Diplomacy. Gain Flaw: Inattentive
Get half ranks in two things rather than no ranks in it.
What? Why would someone with 8 Strenght and no combat feats have that?
4th: +1 Wis. Get Heat Metal from Sun domain and Zone of Truth from Inquisition domain. Learn Substitute Domain and Purify Food and Drink. Retrain Practised Spellcaster into Expanded Arcana (Zone of Truth - to be able to Substitute away the Inquisition domain if needed).
Tremendously wasteful to have expanded arcana for a spell you already know.

Substitute Domain is already fairly cheesy/OOC.

Should have more charisma.

@edit: Remove Fear is also a waste.

Instead of Divine Favor, they should have Conviction, then pick up Mass Ressurgence at sixth instead of Zone of Turth and Dark Way.

They will probably take forever to train due retraining their asses off every other level, too, but eh.

Instead of Substitute Domain, they can have Close Wounds or Spiritual Weapon.
 
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Get half ranks in two things rather than no ranks in it.

What? Why would someone with 8 Strenght and no combat feats have that?

Tremendously wasteful to have expanded arcana for a spell you already know.

Substitute Domain is already fairly cheesy/OOC.

Should have more charisma.

@edit: Remove Fear is also a waste.

Instead of Divine Favor, they should have Conviction, then pick up Mass Ressurgence at sixth instead of Zone of Turth and Dark Way.
What do you think of it now?
I changed the skills to read "Non-human: No Diplomacy at level 1, then no Knowledge (arcana)" because I won't compromise on Spellcraft and Concentration (essential for a caster IMO) but 4 ranks is all the Knowledge arcana that's needed to enter the Church Inquisitor PrC.

Divine Favor was a mistake (habit, sorry). Replaced it with Conviction. Replaced Remove Fear with Command (Vee showed how good it is when you have armsmen around, and it's nice and nonlethal too for law enforcement work).

I love Substitute Domain! And our current cheese-o-meter barely even registers it :D
It's also a great source of flexibility for a prepared caster with a tiny spell-list. Sorcerer got an alternate class level, Mystics get Substitute Domain. Sadly Expanded Arcana (Zone of Truth) is necessary for Substitute Domain to be able to swap out Inquisition without losing the prerequisites for Church Inquisitor.

I put Con to 10 and Cha to 13. d8 HD, good armor and Healing Devotion should keep them alive well enough I suppose.
 
I want Lya to somehow turn her ovum into "metallic" dragon what-evers ever since DP noted that metallic/chromatic pairings can result in some exotic dragon-type offspring.

The Imperium could use a gaudy-ass prismatic dragon prince or princess, don't you agree?
 
Imperial Princes would be quite a pointless title.

The Empire is Viserys, if he decides to give court in the middle of the docks, sitting in a barrel and wearing his pajamas those will be the Imperial Court, Throne and Regalia respectively :V
 
I want Lya to somehow turn her ovum into "metallic" dragon what-evers ever since DP noted that metallic/chromatic pairings can result in some exotic dragon-type offspring.

The Imperium could use a gaudy-ass prismatic dragon prince or princess, don't you agree?
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Also, the dice roll will result from any pairing of different species of dragon, not just metallic and chromatic. If Relath or Amrelath ever mated with that Shadow Dragon that tried to kill us back in Illyrio's manse, there would be a 25% 50% chance of random species. I think it was a certain percentage of offspring will be the mother's kindred, another percentage the father, and then the last half is completely random.
With lya or someone we marry
We're going to be marrying Lya.
 
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:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Also, the dice roll will result from any pairing of different species of dragon, not just metallic and chromatic. If Relath or Amrelath ever mated with that Shadow Dragon that tried to kill us back in Illyrio's manse, there would be a 25% chance of random species. I think it was a certain percentage of offspring will be the mother's kindred, another percentage the father, and then the last half is completely random.

We're going to be marrying Lya.

Huh really? Thought chromtaic/metallic was somehow more special. Speaking of Relath... Djinn/Brine Dragon courting success?
 
Huh really? Thought chromtaic/metallic was somehow more special. Speaking of Relath... Djinn/Brine Dragon courting success?
I think Chromatic/Metallic might be a path to Prismatic in particular, but I'm not exactly sure.

As for Relath trying to seduce the Djinn, I asked about that and DP told me to ask Relath IC. I guess that means we'll see a Half-Djinn/Half Brine Dragon baby in the future?
 
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