So you basically want to crown her with the physical manifestation of having made the laws of nature her bitch?

Pretty much, yes. Basically, I want to give her an item that, when people look at her, they blink. Then blink again. Then have to walk away slowly and try to work out what the fuck they're looking at because there's no way that a mere human should be walking around with that much power singing above their brow. And then their mind breaks when they find out that Lya made the damn thing herself. All the power that makes it a Major Artefact would be in the ten pieces of demigod essence bound into each gemstone.

But I'll be honest, I have no clue where to even start with it mechanically.
 
Speaking of which, I recall that I promised a basic fluff writeup for the artefact I'd like to make for Lya's Crown. Do be aware that I doubt we can acquire this easily by the time of our coronation, but it's the long haul that counts. To that end, let me present to you thus:

The Crown of Ten Spheres

At first glance, this set of ten brilliant gemstones appear unremarkable beyond their perfection, but on closer examination, each one of them reveals their own secrets. Onto each stone is engraved runes that describe in fullness the nature of those powers that define the realms beyond the Plane of Balance, and if one bends their will upon them, they will find a piece of those primordial forces within each stone, bound in a cage of its own nature. To tell the tale of how each of those pieces were found, let alone captured, would stretch the credibility of even the most masterful bards of the land. But to tell it simply, there are few things that one will not do for the one they love. So it was for Viserys Targaryen, and the one they call Lya the Sage.

The Crown of Ten Spheres marks the apotheosis of a Sage of Creation's understanding of the multiverse, married to the will of a Dragon Emperor. Each gem of the crown represents one of the Lores that the Sage came to understand in their quest for knowledge, from Fire to Good and Earth to Chaos. On their own, they are talismans of those powers with few equals, shells of power wrapped around the essence of some of the mightiest beings of those worlds to imprison and amplify them both. But together, in the hands of the Sage, they form something far more. When properly attuned to a Sage, the gems of the Crown may rise at their command to form a crown of gems, bound together by a ribbon of pure magic. This energy is not divine, not arcane, nor of any of a Sage's Lores, though it is born from all such places. Brought forth by the Sage, this energy is channeled through the prisms of the gems, and through that process, purified into the very essence that lies below all things. In most circumstances, this light shines as a gentle glow, illuminating the area around it in the truth that makes all life Be, but in battle it burns with primordial power, such that even the Halos of the Angels pale in comparison.

To face a Sage crowned with this artefact is to court the fate of all those that were forced to surrender their essence to it. None of that list yet draws breath.

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In simple terms, I want to take the essence from a Being of Power tied to each of the Lores used by a Sage of Creation. Fire, for example, can be taken acquired when we kill the Sultan of Brass. A drop of his blood would be the Essence of Fire within the the Gem of Fire. I'd see each Gem as an extremely powerful magical item on their own, with the entire Crown - due to the conceptual weight I want to put behind it - probably racking up in the Major Artefact category.

@Azel would this suffice for our queen? Once we get all the pieces for it, of course. Which will take while.
Very nice, but when you compare that to our crown it feels a bit lacking....

So we are now mostly talking about having some clockwork decorations on a map table powered solely by magic.

More like half magic, half clockwork.

The anchors are permanent, just the links aren't. Which means you can break the connection between anchor and table, not that the anchor ceases to function after a while.

This is mostly an opening for infiltrators to mess with the system to prevent auto-winning at everything.

My method of sympathetic connections is not an autowin. For instance it is possible to break the connections through a ritual or by causing sufficient damage to the building or landmark we used as the focus.

Semantics. Satellite maps were invented for military purposes, now we got Google Earth.

Except google maps was heavily modified from the military satellites.

You are basically saying that the map must be useless for military purposes, otherwise it's not fine.

Not what i am saying. I am saying that it is heavily focused on military use and focused on the control of a battlefield and conquest when there is potential for something much more useful and IC for us to make. Namely something to aid in the management of the realm, facilitation of trade, building of settlements, and ruling.

Yours is the weapons of a general and an aid in conquest which, while we are likely to do, is not something that would warrent the creation of said table since we do not plan to perform long protracted marches of armies and invasions when we can win them over with words and intrigue and when that fails we perform lightning assualts and take them over quickly to avoid loss of life. Not to mention our magic makes the long marches of armies unneaded alongside the organization of such things for which the table would be ideal for.

It would make more sense to build something more focused on trade, city management, and such since that is our main focus.
 
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Very nice, but when you compare that to our crown it feels a bit lacking....

Our crown is a Circlet of Valyrian Steel with a bunch of Rubies in it. I intend to crown Lya with the bound physical manifestations of the forces of creation themselves.

Unless you mean that our crown feels a bit lacking? In which case I get you, but I'm sure we can come up with something nice for Viserys too. Maybe Lya can give him it as an anniversary present. Not sure what 'it' might be yet, but that isn't my focus right now.
 
More like half magic, half clockwork.
Not really. If you dynamically reshape the clockwork (which is necessary for updates), you can also just strip out the clockwork bits and directly shape the map itself.

The clockwork would be a purely artistic element that serves no mechanical purpose.
My method of sympathetic connections is not an autowin. For instance it is possible to break the connections through a ritual or by causing sufficient damage to the building or landmark we used as the focus.
That is pretty much exactly what my system is doing, just that I use dedicated, enchanted items as focus instead of using random buildings or landmarks.
Not what i am saying. I am saying that it is heavily focused on military use and focused on the control of a battlefield and conquest when there is potential for something much more useful and IC for us to make. Namely something to aid in the management of the realm, facilitation of trade, building of settlements, and ruling.

Yours is the weapons of a general and an aid in conquest which, while we are likely to do, is not something that would warrent the creation of said table since we do not plan to perform long protracted marches of armies and invasions when we can win them over with words and intrigue and when that fails we perform lightning assualts and take them over quickly to avoid loss of life.

It would make more sense to build something more focused on trade, city management, and such since that is our main focus.
You are arguing against a ephemeral strawman.

What is my proposal missing to serve these purposes?
 
Really? This again?

I sometimes get the feeling that the more and fancy the magic I propose, the more likely it is that I get accused of Sci-Fi aesthetics. Just for the record, if I would pick and promote a given aesthetic, it would be dieselpunk, not Iphone.
So far I can think of three cases of this: two were for flying vehicles, and this one seems due mostly to miscommunication. I read your gem-thing description and imagined small colored motes flying together over a table: this immediately brought Star Wars holograms to mind! Or Halo ones. Or Firefly ones. Or Mass Effect ones.
Hey, white holograms conjured with a wave are magic but blue holograms conjured by an array are sci-fi tech! Pop culture agrees with me!

[This isn't an important disagreement. I'll vote for your thing. This isn't like the flying castle stuff. I'm just griping here, no worries]

Also, I openly identify as male, so would you kindly check your privilige and use the appropriate gender pronouns? :V
Sorry. I'm French, and in French "vous" (they) is a generic pronoun used in everyday conversation (I'm not going to go into the etiquette of it here, but basically one adult can use "vous" to any other adult stranger (or respected acquaintance, or hierarchical superior, or...) and it won't be weird - it'll be polite).
So I tend to use 'they' by default when I'm thinking in French. Please don't consider it an attack on your no doubt fierce and powerful masculinity.

So we are now mostly talking about having some clockwork decorations on a map table powered solely by magic.
That's what I understood too, yeah. There isn't really another way to interpret that video. The clockwork is mostly there to make the illusion transitions nicer and "anchor" the spell, right?
If we really wanted to be a pain we could make the clockwork control the zoom and geographical setting or something. What do you think?

The anchors are permanent, just the links aren't. Which means you can break the connection between anchor and table, not that the anchor ceases to function after a while.
Sounds good.
 
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Can we use Legend Lore on the trophy?

That's literally the last tool in my arsenal, I can't think of anything else.

Well, other than summoning and turtling the actual Ik'chol the Ravener, but that seems like it'll be a horrifically dangerous fight so I'm not exactly eager for that.

We summoned the Marilith, I thought they were on similar timescales or did the spider demon know the name from many thousands of years well before it was sealed?

Sometimes it's hard to keep track of timelines considering time used to not flow equally between planes.
 
So far I can think of three cases of this: two were for flying vehicles, and this one seems due mostly to miscommunication. I read your gem-thing description and imagined small colored motes flying together over a table: this immediately brought Star Wars holograms to mind! Or Halo ones. Or Firefly ones. Or Mass Effect ones.
Hey, white holograms conjured with a wave are magic but blue holograms conjured by an array are sci-fi tech! Pop culture agrees with me!

[This isn't an important disagreement. I'll vote for your thing. This isn't like the flying castle stuff. I'm just griping here, no worries]
No, the dust would roil and churn like shifting sand, then assemble into an actual, physical model.
Sorry. I'm French, and in French "vous" (they) is a generic pronoun used in everyday conversation (I'm not going to go into the etiquette of it here, but basically one adult can use "vous" to any other adult stranger (or respected acquaintance, or hierarchical superior, or...) and it won't be weird - it'll be polite).
So I tend to use 'they' by default when I'm thinking in French. Please don't consider it an attack on your no doubt fierce and powerful masculinity.
That explains why you are so inconsistent with the pronouns, sometimes using genders and sometimes not. As you might have guessed by now, I don't know any Surrender Speak French.

Also, since you took my joking comment seriously, I will henceforth mock these instances as "your baguette is showing". :p
That's what I understood too, yeah. There isn't really another way to interpret that video. The clockwork is mostly there to make the illusion transitions nicer and "anchor" the spell, right?
If we really wanted to be a pain we could make the clockwork control the zoom and geographical setting or something. What do you think?
I greatly prefer the visual effect of "pure, grade A+ Magic Awesomeness" instead of shoehorning in some clockpunk to match the show intro.
 
Why not 2/day and keep it lit all the time?
Because of the expense and available crafting time. It can be upgraded later, if necessary.
You cast it on your familiar. It'd need to be on Viserus gear, or better, PoSKs.
I don't think that will be an issue.
@Goldfish, thoughts on adding a Monk's Belt enhancement to Varys' magic items?
I don't really think it would be worth the expense. She has a high BAB, but her Strength is so low that her melee attacks are heavily penalized, and she is Tiny, meaning her Unarmed Strike damage would be 1d4. With her Strength penalty, she would have Unarmed Strike +15/+10/+5 (1d4-2), meaning that at best her attack would inflict 2 points of damage and often they wouldn't do any damage at all. And with her low Wisdom attribute, she would only get a +2 bonus to AC. @TotallyNotEvil Can you see any way to make this worthwhile?
@Goldfish, while yours is very neat mechanically, I think you can't beat @Snowfires in Awesome.
I'm a lot better at mechanics than I am 'Awesome' stuff. :(

I really do like the mechanics of my proposed Crown of Stars. The fluff doesn't much matter to me, so long as it seems cool.
 
I dont get why you guys don't want that photorealistic real time map.

I mean combined with a magnifying glass of is literally a spy satalite.
 
That explains why you are so inconsistent with the pronouns, sometimes using genders and sometimes not. As you might have guessed by now, I don't know any Surrender Speak French.

Also, since you took my joking comment seriously, I will henceforth mock these instances as "your baguette is showing". :p
Witty.

Of course I took your comment seriously though. This is the internet, where people can get self-righteously angry that you didn't bother to read their 20 line signature (in tiny fount and weird colors) to notice that they're pansexual horsekin and want to be called "Zet/Zat/Zey", and where people who seemed normal can suddenly get angry at you for daring to "talk to them like a crazy faggot" (using "they" instead of him) and start rating about SJWs.
I am happy that you were joking.

I greatly prefer the visual effect of "pure, grade A+ Magic Awesomeness" instead of shoehorning in some clockpunk to match the show intro.
Damn. I came here disliking your idea and willing to accept a new one, and a few posts later I'm siding with your idea and hating on the new one.
Those devils and their silver tongues...


Hey @Snowfire, here are a few ideas for Lya's crown's mechanical effects:
  • Planar Bubbles (like a Planar Shepherd's class ability)
  • Selective Antimagic fields (blocking certain schools or descriptors - there are items and spells that do similar things!)
  • Banishment effects, or Holy Word/Blasphemy effects
  • An immunity to planar traits and to spells that target a specific plane or alignment (Blasphemy included)
 
Sure, but it'd be pointlessly cheesy a day/or more work than it's worth.

Weren't we discussing attacking with Venomfire taking a standard action?

... How?
Yeah, I'm fine with the Venomfire attack. Was just addressing @Duesal's question.

And I don't think DP will rule the spells can't be put on items for Varys to use. It's hardly game breaking and there are no other limits on command use spells put into items; i.e. a spell only on the Paladin spell list with a range of Personal can still be put on a magic item to be used by a Fighter.
 
But I'll be honest, I have no clue where to even start with it mechanically.
Could I perhaps recommend using the mechanics from my proposed crown? ;)

  • Spell Turning: Up to three times per day on command, the Crown automatically reflects the next nine levels of spells cast at the wearer, exactly as if Spell Turning had been cast upon her.
  • Spell Absorption: Rather than reflecting a spell via the Spell Turning effect, the energy from a spell can instead be absorbed by the Crown as if it were a Rod of Absorption. Using this ability expends a daily use of Spell Turning, and the absorbed spell energy must be used within an hour or it dissipates harmlessly.
  • Spell Blast: Rather than using absorbed spell energy to cast a spell, the wearer of the Crown can instead launch a blast of magical Force at a nearby target. The spell blast is launched as a Swift Action and behaves as an Orb of Force, but inflicts 2d6 points of damage per level of spell energy expended (20d6 maximum). The Ranged Attack bonus of the spell blast equals the wearer's Arcane caster level plus their Intelligence bonus.
 
Witty.

Of course I took your comment seriously though. This is the internet, where people can get self-righteously angry that you didn't bother to read their 20 line signature (in tiny fount and weird colors) to notice that they're pansexual horsekin and want to be called "Zet/Zat/Zey", and where people who seemed normal can suddenly get angry at you for daring to "talk to them like a crazy faggot" (using "they" instead of him) and start rating about SJWs.
I am happy that you were joking.
That is why I added a smiley after the statement to emphasis that this wasn't serious. I mentally abbreviate these kinds of declarations to "I'm not worth talking to".

Likewise, your inconsistent use of pronouns irked me on a purely "that is odd, why is Talon doing this?"-level, not the "die SJW scum!"-level.

However, I do have the sudden urge to introduce myself as "white male with a fierce and powerful masculinity" in the future. :V
Damn. I came here disliking your idea and willing to accept a new one, and a few posts later I'm siding with your idea and hating on the new one.
Those devils and their silver tongues...
We are indeed quite skilled with those silver tongues...
 
I honestly wouldn't feel comfortable making something much more powerful than what I came up with for a crown. Mine is already pushing the limit, IMO.

Ok, I'm going to be honest with you. What you have there is a Minor Artefact.

What the Crown of Ten Spheres is designed to be is a Major. And a high end one. The sort that doesn't have a listed pricetag because there will only ever be one. There is a rather...um...major (please don't hurt me) difference between those two things.
 
To be fair, I think sacrificing the essence of 10 deity level beings is a bit over the top, though it would be certainly something that would warrant "gain Wish as At Will SLA" or similar cheddar.

What I liked about your proposal @Snowfire is the imagery though, not the power. I think having 10 stones linked to the 6 energies and 4 alignments is very neat.

But maybe dial back the scale a bit to make it more achievable and less over the top?
 
Ok, I'm going to be honest with you. What you have there is a Minor Artefact.

What the Crown of Ten Spheres is designed to be is a Major. There is a rather...um...major (please don't hurt me) difference between those two things.
I understand, but I don't think it should be within our capability to craft Major Artifacts for a long, long time. When Lya is in high Mythic Tiers and has the Crafting Mastery ability, maybe, but not before then. It's extremely draining even for powerful gods to create Major Artifacts and they have to possess a specific Salient Ability to do it, IIRC.

If the Serpent's Sin is considered a Major Artifact, I would chalk that up to extremely specific circumstances and a ton of high quality crafting materials to work with.
 
I understand, but I don't think it should be within our capability to craft Major Artifacts for a long, long time. When Lya is in high Mythic Tiers and has the Crafting Mastery ability, maybe, but not before then. It's extremely draining even for powerful gods to create Major Artifacts and they have to possess a specific Salient Ability to do it, IIRC.

If the Serpent's Sin is considered a Major Artifact, I would chalk that up to extremely specific circumstances and a ton of high quality crafting materials to work with.

To make it clear, I agree. I'm not planning on making this thing anytime soon. But I want it for Lya's endgame. Make the Crown of Stars for now, that can be her coronation crown.

The Crown of Ten Spheres comes later.

To be fair, I think sacrificing the essence of 10 deity level beings is a bit over the top, though it would be certainly something that would warrant "gain Wish as At Will SLA" or similar cheddar.

What I liked about your proposal @Snowfire is the imagery though, not the power. I think having 10 stones linked to the 6 energies and 4 alignments is very neat.

But maybe dial back the scale a bit to make it more achievable and less over the top?

Nah, it's achievable. Just not right now. This is endgame gear, for when we invade the Lands of Always Winter.
 
I understand, but I don't think it should be within our capability to craft Major Artifacts for a long, long time. When Lya is in high Mythic Tiers and has the Crafting Mastery ability, maybe, but not before then. It's extremely draining even for powerful gods to create Major Artifacts and they have to possess a specific Salient Ability to do it, IIRC.

If the Serpent's Sin is considered a Major Artifact, I would chalk that up to extremely specific circumstances and a ton of high quality crafting materials to work with.
I mean, I'm assuming that it would take us so long to gather the ingredients for it that by then Lya would have hit real high Mythic Tiers with Crafting Mastery?

Reading that description it seemed like it would be pretty far in the future.
 
What I liked about your proposal @Snowfire is the imagery though, not the power. I think having 10 stones linked to the 6 energies and 4 alignments is very neat.
We can certainly cook up something very nice indeed with those guidelines.
If the Serpent's Sin is considered a Major Artifact, I would chalk that up to extremely specific circumstances and a ton of high quality crafting materials to work with.
I think it's Minor?
 
@Goldfish something I'm seeing as a mitigating factor in the creation of the CoTS is that it's using essence from ten beings that are around the level of minor demigods and the like. Sultan of Brass, etc. So there's a bunch of power already there going in. What Lya mostly does - using Mythic Crafting - would be to harmonise it all and find a way to use all the pieces to 'purify' a stream of magic down into base principles. Basically, to use 3.0 terms, she has a ribbon of the Tongue Primeval wrapped around her head. That's not exactly right, but it's kinda what I'm aiming for.

Make sense?
 
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