Angron is bound to end up working with us

He can run away for a millenia if he wishes too but chaos corrupt and impregnates everythinf so if he want to be free he will need to face chaos and the only way to contain chaos is by cooperating with pandora

Plus she is the only one that gives a single fuck about his life so unless he wants to be pursued by crusades of fanatics untill death he shoulf side with her

He could also just mooch off her domain indefinitely or go off to the Halo Stars where they did not even hear of the IoM or the Primarchs. He does not have many good options, but he does have options. That was rather the point of freeing him.
 
I'm thinking we should rest. Pandora isn't an inhuman machine, she's a human who needs rest like everyone else does.
@Swordomatic is Angron now human converted to his Pre Heresy state? If so what happened to powers invested by blood God? Any impact on his Geneseed and Marines?
Lily nodded. She turned as other Deva joined her, crossing stellar distances in the blink of an eye. "Easy," she said, as the others drew their weapons at Angron, once more donning the appearance of a man and carrying their Goddess in his arms. "He's safe. Pandy did something stupid again."
Angron looks like his pre-heresy self, minus the nails/warpaint/etc. If you read in-between the lines, Angron doesn't have his Demon Primarch powers anymore. We don't know about his Geneseed and most of his World Eaters probably think he's dead.
 
Pandora snapping and ordering the execution of those corrupt Administratum adepts is a case of her high stress influencing her decision making
I thought that was her being practical and deciding to remind everyone that while yes she is a little girl and some what naïve she has teeth while at the same time disposing of human trash that was utterly irredeemable
 
We'll probably have the option of resting on the way back, like we did on the journey to Ba'al:
[][EXPED] Spend time to ground yourself and retreat from authority so you can relax and unwind even in these stressful times. You need a break, and you deserve a break. Even if this is time that you won't be spending helping people who badly need it.

Stress causes Pandora to act erratically as with the summary executions and that Pandora is halfway to a Stress Break according to the QM:

Okay, so enough people have asked about it on and off Discord that I should probably make a post addressing it, so here goes:

Yes, there is a Stress Meter. Pandora's stress meter is also currently more than half full exactly half full, and if it maxes out she'll have a Stress Break and have some sort of breakdown, which may take a variety of forms, each more problematic than the last. If she has too many Stress Breaks, Pandora may suffer a Virtue Break and then that's a Bad End.

How many Stress Breaks can she take? I don't know. What form will that Bad End take? I don't know. Does high stress do anything besides make that Stress Break that much easier to get? Yep! Pandora snapping and ordering the execution of those corrupt Administratum adepts is a case of her high stress influencing her decision making, in fact. Mind that stress, people.

I think we should take at least one rest at some point in the near future in order to avoid catastrophe. Maybe two if we find reason to be that concerned with the issue, or the alternative uses of our time aren't very valuable.

The question then is whether resting now, later, or both times is worth the opportunity cost of not having time to get something else done. Waiting on Ba'al Primus now would mean giving up the opportunity to maybe take Ku'Gath out of action for a long time or be in a better position to help Sanguinius if he needs it. Resting during the voyage back would likely mean giving up a chance to acclimate ourselves to God Mode, to gain insight from the God-Emperor, to gain knowledge of how to rule our polity, or to augment the psychic skills of our honor guard. We'd probably still have one slot for the above, but have to give up the other for rest.

I think that we should rest now on Ba'al Primus because we need rest to keep ourselves under control, and the opportunities lost by doing so now are likely less than those we'd have give up on return leg of the expedition.
 
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I thought that was her being practical and deciding to remind everyone that while yes she is a little girl and some what naïve she has teeth while at the same time disposing of human trash that was utterly irredeemable

No. Pandora doesn't think that people are "human trash" or "irredeemable". Which is fortunate for the leadership of the Imperium.

She snapped under stress and ordered the executions of some legitimately awful people.

We should rest now because we're winning. It will mean sacrificing lives, but it's better to rest and recover so that we're ready for the next crisis. We have to let other people do their jobs, or we'll end up burning out and snapping.
 
Is it, in the end, worth saving a life drenched in ten thousand years of blood, just because he did not choose to shed it, at the cost of even one other life not nearly so damned?

You don't know. You can see many things, even the future, but you can't determine the objective value of one life. Even for a Goddess, such things are beyond you. And perhaps that is weakness on your part, for other Gods don't seem to care.

But you just can't bring yourself to kill your brother.

Anyone here remembers Andromeda?

Dylan: Beka says the future you came from was a bad one. One where things went wrong and you came back to set things right.
Trance: So?
Dylan: So tell me how saving Harper and losing Hohne does that. How does that set things right?
Trance: I don't know if it does. To tell you the truth, I didn't save Harper to change the past or the future. For all I know, I made things worse.
Dylan: Then why?
Trance: For the one reason that does matter. Because Hohne is a stranger and Harper is my friend.
 
Given that stress causes Pandora to act erratically as with the summary executions and that Pandora is halfway to a Stress Break according to the QM, we should take at least one rest at some point in the near future in order to avoid catastrophe. Maybe two if we're that concerned with the issue.
I think that we should rest now on Ba'al Primus because we need rest to keep ourselves under control, and the opportunities lost by doing so now are likely less than those we'd have give up on return leg of the expedition.
Take both, I say.

We'll need the stress buffer next turn.
 
I wonder if the Grey Knights saw what we did? I do not imagine any other psykers having the willpower to stare into the heart of that battle and come out sane, but they might have done so. It would not even be that hard to guess where Angron went in that case, they know about Lily and the others.
 
The free social actions have no mechanical effect.
No like,

[Write in Example] Call Lily over and just hug and rub faces for the better part of a few days. Maybe get some ice cream together. Not strawberry though. They ruined strawberry.

There's an opportunity cost in that any time Lily spends being your personal therapy dog would also be time she isn't spending spanking daemons.
 
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I do find it kind of funny that Lily is dabbing on a whole legion as she has become The Dark Angel and they are just the Dark Angels.

Sooo what's are general thoughts on what to do next after the expedition?
 
I do find it kind of funny that Lily is dabbing on a whole legion as she has become The Dark Angel and they are just the Dark Angels.

Sooo what's are general thoughts on what to do next after the expedition?
get the idiots who are doing the damacles crusade on the Tau and point them at orks or chaos instead. also do the same with the minor xenos progroms.

also try to talk to the Eldar
 
Also, if I had to take a guess, the de-stress things that have happened so far to Pandora have been the strawberry ice cream, talking with Lyra, MAYBE when we tried to apologise to Tor Garandor, Getting time with Lily when we fought Skarbrand, when we voted for coordinating the Devas and finally, the Lily lap pillow.

I'm curious if saving Angron did more to de-stress/not as much stress as killing him?
 
get the idiots who are doing the damacles crusade on the Tau
the tau are an expansionist faction whose ideology involves some manifest destiny stuff about how bringing the greater good to everyone weather they like it or not being their duty and the Tau will only get more powerful with time as the advance and expand best either wipe them out or client state them to check their growth
 
the tau are an expansionist faction whose ideology involves some manifest destiny stuff about how bringing the greater good to everyone weather they like it or not being their duty and the Tau will only get more powerful with time as the advance and expand best either wipe them out or client state them to check their growth
we have an option to try and call a ceasefire with the Tau which i'd rather like to do. the Tau are generally the least of our problems at the moment as they generally wage modern war and not extermination war.
 
the tau are an expansionist faction whose ideology involves some manifest destiny stuff about how bringing the greater good to everyone weather they like it or not being their duty and the Tau will only get more powerful with time as the advance and expand best either wipe them out or client state them to check their growth

Which still makes them saner and more altruistic than the IoM in most places. Also chaos and orks will also get more powerful if left unchecked and you can't negotiate with those. Well technically you can negotiate with orks, but only by paying them in weapons and that is nos sustainable
 
Last I checked, Damocles was a long while ago. Unless Panda can literally show them the warp route back in time, that's not an option.
 
is it possible on the way back to terra to make a detour to Fenris or Armageddon especially since they are relatively nearbyish to terra?

deal with the 2 major fires of Fenris and Armageddon

wake up guilliman we need all the help we can get, he would be a massive help with the administratum, would be a extremely valuable military asset would probably be able to send him on his own military expeditions as well since he a primarch and you know a living loyalist primarch returning would be a huge pr win will prob need eldar help to heal him though
 
Reaction post/a couple typo catches:
Is it, in the end, worth saving a life drenched in ten thousand years of blood, just because he did not choose to shed it, at the cost of even one other life not nearly so damned?

You don't know. You can see many things, even the future, but you can't determine the objective value of one life. Even for a Goddess, such things are beyond you. And perhaps that is weakness on your part, for other Gods don't seem to care.

But you just can't bring yourself to kill your brother.
Aww, Pandora... this is such a beautiful IC way for her to make this decision.
When Angron looked up at her, she was already behind him, the barrel of a handgun used to end the suffrage of a people planted against his head.
Wait, what? There's no way that's the right word. This is suffrage:
Merriam-Webster said:
Definition of suffrage
1: a short intercessory prayer usually in a series
2: a vote given in deciding a controverted question or electing a person for an office or trust
3: the right of voting : FRANCHISE
also : the exercise of such right
I really don't think Lily would be using a gun that was used to end the right to vote of a people. Not sure what word it should be instead - enslavement, maybe?
Angron said nothing, content to simply look into the distance. He continued to hold Pandora in his hands with a gentleness that Lily never knew the Red Angel to be capable of. Hands that have broken worlds and shattered spines now held the body of a girl that continued to bear the weight of the world on her shoulders, simply because it meant that others would not have to.
I'M NOT CRYING YOU'RE CRYING
"You're free." It was not a question, but a statement. "How does it feel?"

Angron was quiet for a long time. The fires of war burned and an enemy was before him, but he did not move to attack. The brass plate welded onto his flesh had long since turned to ash around him.

"Heavy," he eventually replied, his voice listless.
Yeah. It would, wouldn't it.
"He's safe. Pandy did something stupid again."
You get the sense that this is an explanation that Lily is all too accustomed to offering... :rofl2:
'I am, but it's not so simple. I'm sure you feel the same way about going back to Holy Terra,' Sanguinius responded, to which Lily wagged her head uncommittently.
*noncommittally. Fun fact, if you google "uncommittently" to double-check it's definitely not a word, there are only 2 results and the first one is this post!
Sanguinius hopped and stood upon his son's pauldron, and both of his heads turned to Lily as the Sanguinor stood. 'It's like I told Pandora earlier; she doesn't have a monopoly on stupidity.'

"...Well, aren't you ballsy?"

'Ka'Bandha and I have had a grudge since Signus Prime,' said Sanguinius, as he climbed slowly until he stood upon the Sanguinor's helm, atop the Death Mask he wore. 'And he has troubled my sons for too long. I think it is time we settled the score."
Fucking chills tbh.
the Dark Angel of Steeltower
This is actually a really cool title to have, we should get something for Lily that has that. In needlepoint. Do the Sororitas ever do needlepoint? I like the idea of that being a meditative exercise.
Bastard has a way of being a relentless hunter and being difficult to just blap with a bolt of lightning.
"to just blap with a bolt of lightning" lmfao, Pandora certainly has a way with words.

I'm leaning towards either telling Ku'Gath to fuck off in person, or just chilling for a minute and not moving unless there's actually a catastrophe that NEEDS us there.
 
Yeah but how do you lose the capacity for self reflection as a several thousand year old immortal? I mean that is a thing most people get in childhood and very few people entirely lose it, though you can have more or less of it. Saying he lost the capacity for self reflection is a bit like just calling him stupid and he obviously is not that.
Here is the thing though, it does not really matter if he managed the things he did though 'intelligence' or 'experience' or 'magic'. He was able to unify Tera, then the sector, then the Segementum, then most of the galaxy. that shows that he is vastly capable of many intellectual tasks . It is IMO nigh impossible to allow for that and an utter lack of self-awareness at the same time. He would be a terrible politician, a failed scientist etc... there has to be some specific cause for his blindness, it cannot be something as broad as lacking a fundamental function of most functioning adults.
it also a distinct possibility that another point of the primarch project was to get rid of his humanity as well and put parts of it into each of the primarch
which also helps explain why early on he nice(ish) to the primarchs and get more and more inhuman towards them as time goes on and helps explain why he a dick, he basically sociopath without emotions only caring for the greater goal

No I would say that for this quest the Emperor suffered a Virtue Break as @Swordomatic explained could happen to Pandora here:

Okay, so enough people have asked about it on and off Discord that I should probably make a post addressing it, so here goes:

Yes, there is a Stress Meter. Pandora's stress meter is also currently more than half full exactly half full, and if it maxes out she'll have a Stress Break and have some sort of breakdown, which may take a variety of forms, each more problematic than the last. If she has too many Stress Breaks, Pandora may suffer a Virtue Break and then that's a Bad End.

How many Stress Breaks can she take? I don't know. What form will that Bad End take? I don't know. Does high stress do anything besides make that Stress Break that much easier to get? Yep! Pandora snapping and ordering the execution of those corrupt Administratum adepts is a case of her high stress influencing her decision making, in fact. Mind that stress, people.
 
Thinking more about stress I realized it may be a mistake to think of distressing actions as strictly the sort of personal fluff, talking to Lilly or eating a tub of ice cream or something. I think the best way to destress and the only one that will work long term is to actually enact positive change I liked the one where we made a strawberry farm with humane conditions for guilt-free ice cream as a bit of a combination between the two we can do right away. I mean sure it does not improve the lives of many, but it is something and it is visible and it also helps with playing politics since it gives us a nice understandable quirk in the mind of the High Lords of Tera. Pandora is never in so much danger from them as when she is being inscrutable.

These people quite understandably do not want to deal with the Emperor 2.0. Monsters they may be but they are very human sort of monsters and we can take advantage of that.
 
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