Edit: @Snowfire I see what you mean and i agree 2nd one there is best.
[] Plan I Want My Little Sister
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A Song Of Peace: Imperial Regent Quest [40k]
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Edit: @Snowfire I see what you mean and i agree 2nd one there is best.
[] Plan I Want My Little Sister
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
- Location
- Wordcats
Check the two I just posted <3
Icipall
Don't worry, we can fanfix that!
- Location
- Cold snow fields of Finland
Not sure if the image of that is disturbing or hilarious.
I like these options, but you should probably add an @ for swordo to make sure he sees them and can judge the write-ins.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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- Wordcats
My intent in granting it is that we do so as part of a package deal unleashing our sister on the entire institution with carte blanche to do whatever she deems necessary. Will this cost us her Agent AP for turns undeterminable? Yeah, probably. Will it be worth it? Definitely.
Knew I'd forgotten something. Thanks!
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- Location
- Head in the clouds
So while you guys pour over the treaty I'm going to go play with the character puzzle pieces in this corner.
From the top:
1. Well Pandora is going to have a time getting the Sensei and Primarchs to get along with the family collection quest.
2. Lucan is probably going to be a problem.
3. What Mona wasn't told about the godhood thing is interesting.
In point 1 - Mona keeps referring to the Primarchs as science experiments. Okay she's not saying the Primarchs but she keeps referring to science experiments.
Okay so Lucan is - okay let me put it this way. If Sanguinius managed to best his ass in a fight (not kill, just bested) I think he'd be upgraded to little brother status by the Senshi. Also be hit up for the story consistently.
Problem being he's really damn fighty. Pandora needing divinity fighty.
So Pandora actually never got to saying she's the Goddess of Sacrifice.
And very specifically Pandora never actually mentioned what she traded the Power of a God for. Aka the Knowledge of a God. She just went into the ways its not.
Also I can't decide if Mona meeting Lyra would be a good thing or a hilariously terrifying one.
From the top:
1. Well Pandora is going to have a time getting the Sensei and Primarchs to get along with the family collection quest.
2. Lucan is probably going to be a problem.
3. What Mona wasn't told about the godhood thing is interesting.
In point 1 - Mona keeps referring to the Primarchs as science experiments. Okay she's not saying the Primarchs but she keeps referring to science experiments.
Okay so Lucan is - okay let me put it this way. If Sanguinius managed to best his ass in a fight (not kill, just bested) I think he'd be upgraded to little brother status by the Senshi. Also be hit up for the story consistently.
Problem being he's really damn fighty. Pandora needing divinity fighty.
So Pandora actually never got to saying she's the Goddess of Sacrifice.
And very specifically Pandora never actually mentioned what she traded the Power of a God for. Aka the Knowledge of a God. She just went into the ways its not.
Also I can't decide if Mona meeting Lyra would be a good thing or a hilariously terrifying one.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
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- At large
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- He/Him
Current draft plan based on current options/numbers:
[][IMP] Full Access to Tau Technology (+4 Imperial Acceptance, -2 Tau Acceptance)
-2I -1T
[][IMP] Return Forge Worlds (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
0I -2T
[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists (+2 Tau Acceptance)
0I 0T
[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes (-1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance)
-1I +2T
[][CMP] Claim the Damocles Gulf as Imperial Household territory (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
+1I +1T
[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely (+1 Imperial Acceptance, +1 Tau Acceptance)
+2I +2T
[][SPC] Reveal the existence and involvement of Mona Mary Merstat (+2 Imperial Acceptance)
+4I +2T
Final tally: 4 Imperial Acceptance/2 Tau Acceptance
This clears the breakpoints for a thousand-year treaty, by a considerable margin on the Imperial side, and I believe serves our goals on the grander level as well.
First, there's the Mechanicus angle. This plan goes heavy on stuff the Mechanicus will like. That's because long-term we'd like to restore the concept of technological progress, and we'll probably need a LOT of credit built up with the Mechanicus to make implementing that anything better than a catastrophic shitstorm. Accessing and legitimating Tau tech should improve what the Mechanicus can contribute to stabilizing the Imperium, too.
Second, helping the Tau find a Gateway system is an act of pure good that doesn't cost any Imperial Acceptance, and it's an excuse to spend time with Mona while actively helping out her people. Good for sisterly bonding.
Third, taking the Gulf as Imperial Household territory gives us another non-negligible swathe of space to make personally loyal to Pandora. I'm still hoping to avoid a civil war, but if it comes down to it then the more territory we start out holding the better our prospects.
Fourth, Ministorum priests might be obnoxious in Tau territory, but having people spread the idea of the Greater Good in Imperial territory is basically getting people to spread Pandora-compatible ideology on our behalf. This is an absolute win, and it's a pure positive on Acceptance.
Fifth, the Lord Solar or whatever is going to be pissy at us for this regardless, so I'd regard warhawks being mad as a sunk cost. This might make the degree worse, but we can manage. The strategy here is that while they're mad, this is overall an awesome deal for the Imperium - even more so than for the Tau, and the Tau are at the level where the treaty could last a thousand years with minimal interest in messing with it. So we're basically politically isolating the warhawks at this point if they try to complain, because everybody else will love this deal and the hawks will just be pissing them off if they try to sour the deal.
Putting it together into actual plan format:
[] Plan Win-Win
-[][IMP] Full Access to Tau Technology (+4 Imperial Acceptance, -2 Tau Acceptance)
-[][IMP] Return Forge Worlds (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
-[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists (+2 Tau Acceptance)
-[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes (-1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance)
-[][CMP] Claim the Damocles Gulf as Imperial Household territory (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
-[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely (+1 Imperial Acceptance, +1 Tau Acceptance)
-[][SPC] Reveal the existence and involvement of Mona Mary Merstat (+2 Imperial Acceptance)
As options get clarified or added this may merit revision, but hopefully it's a useful starting point anyhow.
[][IMP] Full Access to Tau Technology (+4 Imperial Acceptance, -2 Tau Acceptance)
-2I -1T
[][IMP] Return Forge Worlds (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
0I -2T
[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists (+2 Tau Acceptance)
0I 0T
[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes (-1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance)
-1I +2T
[][CMP] Claim the Damocles Gulf as Imperial Household territory (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
+1I +1T
[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely (+1 Imperial Acceptance, +1 Tau Acceptance)
+2I +2T
[][SPC] Reveal the existence and involvement of Mona Mary Merstat (+2 Imperial Acceptance)
+4I +2T
Final tally: 4 Imperial Acceptance/2 Tau Acceptance
This clears the breakpoints for a thousand-year treaty, by a considerable margin on the Imperial side, and I believe serves our goals on the grander level as well.
First, there's the Mechanicus angle. This plan goes heavy on stuff the Mechanicus will like. That's because long-term we'd like to restore the concept of technological progress, and we'll probably need a LOT of credit built up with the Mechanicus to make implementing that anything better than a catastrophic shitstorm. Accessing and legitimating Tau tech should improve what the Mechanicus can contribute to stabilizing the Imperium, too.
Second, helping the Tau find a Gateway system is an act of pure good that doesn't cost any Imperial Acceptance, and it's an excuse to spend time with Mona while actively helping out her people. Good for sisterly bonding.
Third, taking the Gulf as Imperial Household territory gives us another non-negligible swathe of space to make personally loyal to Pandora. I'm still hoping to avoid a civil war, but if it comes down to it then the more territory we start out holding the better our prospects.
Fourth, Ministorum priests might be obnoxious in Tau territory, but having people spread the idea of the Greater Good in Imperial territory is basically getting people to spread Pandora-compatible ideology on our behalf. This is an absolute win, and it's a pure positive on Acceptance.
Fifth, the Lord Solar or whatever is going to be pissy at us for this regardless, so I'd regard warhawks being mad as a sunk cost. This might make the degree worse, but we can manage. The strategy here is that while they're mad, this is overall an awesome deal for the Imperium - even more so than for the Tau, and the Tau are at the level where the treaty could last a thousand years with minimal interest in messing with it. So we're basically politically isolating the warhawks at this point if they try to complain, because everybody else will love this deal and the hawks will just be pissing them off if they try to sour the deal.
Putting it together into actual plan format:
[] Plan Win-Win
-[][IMP] Full Access to Tau Technology (+4 Imperial Acceptance, -2 Tau Acceptance)
-[][IMP] Return Forge Worlds (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
-[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists (+2 Tau Acceptance)
-[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes (-1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance)
-[][CMP] Claim the Damocles Gulf as Imperial Household territory (+2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance)
-[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely (+1 Imperial Acceptance, +1 Tau Acceptance)
-[][SPC] Reveal the existence and involvement of Mona Mary Merstat (+2 Imperial Acceptance)
As options get clarified or added this may merit revision, but hopefully it's a useful starting point anyhow.
The True Pain of Sanguinius - Fayhem
KnightDisciple
Brotherhood. Unity. Peace.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
Okay going to try and make a Plan. If this ends up being *exactly like someone else's* please say so.
I'm trying to both reach at least +1/+1, or +2/+2, but also choose the ones that "feel" right for me.
[] Plan Disciple Can Mean Diplomacy, Too
-[][IMP] Partial Access to Tau Technology (+1 Imperial)
-[][IMP] Establish Imperial Quarters on Ex-Imperial Worlds (+3 Imperial, -3 Tau)
-[][IMP] Permit the Imperial Navy basing rights (+3 Imperial, -3 Tau)
-[][IMP] Deathwatch is allowed to build Watch Fortresses in Tau border regions (+3 Imperial, -3 Tau)
-[][TAU] Permit limited trade and border access along the Tau-Imperial Border (-1 Imperial, +2 Tau)
-[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists (+2 Tau)
-[][TAU] Help the Tau establish a Telepathica Campus (-2 Imperial, +2 Tau)
-[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes (-1 Imperial, +2 Tau)
-[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely (+1 Imperial, +1 Tau)
Acceptances:
Imperial: -6 Starting, +11/-4 Concessions, Net +1
Tau: +1 Starting, +9/-9 Concessions, Net +1
Reasoning:
Imperial Concessions: I think it would be good to get the tech-trade going, even if we don't make Mona public. The Imperial Quarters plays into the two Basing options, as well as the cross-spread of preachers. And it's a good way for people who genuinely prefer living under Imperial/Human rule. They're going to exist, folks, crazy as you may think them. I think that having the Navy and Deathwatch helping secure borders should hopefully ease things long-term. And the mandatory ceasefire should put a blanket on the trigger-happy folks.
Tau Concessions: I think limited trade is good, the Gateway is likely to be a time-sink but ultimately is super-necessary. And I'd rather start trying out less-brutal Telepathica options (might be a good fit for Mona's skill-set short-term, too). And the Ceasefire is a good insurance policy (and also bumps us up to the necessary level of +'s for Tau).
Compromise: I'm fine with two-way religious freedom.
It's not a perfect plan but ideally it gets everyone started getting used to each other, puts super-clear guardrails in place on the Imperial side to guard against warmongers, and hopefully helps secure everyone's borders a bit more.
I'm trying to both reach at least +1/+1, or +2/+2, but also choose the ones that "feel" right for me.
[] Plan Disciple Can Mean Diplomacy, Too
-[][IMP] Partial Access to Tau Technology (+1 Imperial)
-[][IMP] Establish Imperial Quarters on Ex-Imperial Worlds (+3 Imperial, -3 Tau)
-[][IMP] Permit the Imperial Navy basing rights (+3 Imperial, -3 Tau)
-[][IMP] Deathwatch is allowed to build Watch Fortresses in Tau border regions (+3 Imperial, -3 Tau)
-[][TAU] Permit limited trade and border access along the Tau-Imperial Border (-1 Imperial, +2 Tau)
-[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists (+2 Tau)
-[][TAU] Help the Tau establish a Telepathica Campus (-2 Imperial, +2 Tau)
-[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes (-1 Imperial, +2 Tau)
-[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely (+1 Imperial, +1 Tau)
Acceptances:
Imperial: -6 Starting, +11/-4 Concessions, Net +1
Tau: +1 Starting, +9/-9 Concessions, Net +1
Reasoning:
Imperial Concessions: I think it would be good to get the tech-trade going, even if we don't make Mona public. The Imperial Quarters plays into the two Basing options, as well as the cross-spread of preachers. And it's a good way for people who genuinely prefer living under Imperial/Human rule. They're going to exist, folks, crazy as you may think them. I think that having the Navy and Deathwatch helping secure borders should hopefully ease things long-term. And the mandatory ceasefire should put a blanket on the trigger-happy folks.
Tau Concessions: I think limited trade is good, the Gateway is likely to be a time-sink but ultimately is super-necessary. And I'd rather start trying out less-brutal Telepathica options (might be a good fit for Mona's skill-set short-term, too). And the Ceasefire is a good insurance policy (and also bumps us up to the necessary level of +'s for Tau).
Compromise: I'm fine with two-way religious freedom.
It's not a perfect plan but ideally it gets everyone started getting used to each other, puts super-clear guardrails in place on the Imperial side to guard against warmongers, and hopefully helps secure everyone's borders a bit more.
Enthusiast#117
This is not the Profile you are looking for
- Location
- United States
[] Plan: The Long Peace
-[][IMP] Return the Damocles Gulf to the Imperium +3 Imperial Acceptance, -2 Tau Acceptance
-[][IMP] Full Access to Tau Technology +2 Imperial Acceptance (+4 if Mona reveals herself), -2 Tau Acceptance
-[][IMP] Return Forge Worlds +2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance
-[][IMP] Repatriate ex-Imperial Commanders and Officials. +2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Permit limited trade and border access along the Tau-Imperial Border -1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Help the Tau establish a Telepathica Campus -2 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes -1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely +1 Imperial Acceptance, +1 Tau Acceptance
-[][SPC] Reveal the existence and involvement of Mona Mary Merstat +2 Imperial Acceptance
The total here is 4/4.
It takes some of Pandora's time, but this plan doesn't require taking Mona's STC's.
-[][IMP] Return the Damocles Gulf to the Imperium +3 Imperial Acceptance, -2 Tau Acceptance
-[][IMP] Full Access to Tau Technology +2 Imperial Acceptance (+4 if Mona reveals herself), -2 Tau Acceptance
-[][IMP] Return Forge Worlds +2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance
-[][IMP] Repatriate ex-Imperial Commanders and Officials. +2 Imperial Acceptance, -1 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Permit limited trade and border access along the Tau-Imperial Border -1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Help the Tau establish a Telepathica Campus -2 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Assist the Tau with finding a Gateway system, if one exists +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][TAU] Enforce a Thousand Year Ceasefire, enforced by the Adeptus Custodes -1 Imperial Acceptance, +2 Tau Acceptance
-[][CMP] Permit Ministorum Priests and Speakers of the Greater Good to spread their faith freely +1 Imperial Acceptance, +1 Tau Acceptance
-[][SPC] Reveal the existence and involvement of Mona Mary Merstat +2 Imperial Acceptance
The total here is 4/4.
It takes some of Pandora's time, but this plan doesn't require taking Mona's STC's.
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I really, really like this plan. But, are we allowed to ignore the Damocles Gulf like that?
I would like to remind people about one of the commandment of the Mechanicus:
The Mechanicus are religiously opposed to the idea of artificial (or 'abominable') intelligence, and were expressly forbidden by the Emperor to pursue it as a line of research. It is heretek of the highest order.
Giving them full access to the Tau techbase, where the most advanced technology makes use of artificial intelligence, is a recipe for disaster in the making, with the Mechanicus likely to push for further punitive sanctions on the Tau upon learning exactly how their high end tech works.
The option is absolutely not worth it, and will only cause more headaches for us later down the line.
The Mechanicus are religiously opposed to the idea of artificial (or 'abominable') intelligence, and were expressly forbidden by the Emperor to pursue it as a line of research. It is heretek of the highest order.
Giving them full access to the Tau techbase, where the most advanced technology makes use of artificial intelligence, is a recipe for disaster in the making, with the Mechanicus likely to push for further punitive sanctions on the Tau upon learning exactly how their high end tech works.
The option is absolutely not worth it, and will only cause more headaches for us later down the line.
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This. So god damn much.
Partial access will have to do.
Also people, remember that just giving AdMech STCs or tech won't mean they will use it for the good of all. More than likely they stuff them into their vaults and never have a general rollout.
- Location
- Sweden
I am not so sure about the only thing that can maybe be seen as a true AI is in the hands of Farsight the rest are just VI.
The Mechanicus are so opposed to the idea that they used the repurposed, indoctrinated brains of living humans as computing power and autonomous 'robots'
Rational doesn't even enter the equation here.
That doesn't matter since the AdMech is dominated by the extremely conservative faction and the pragmatic factions are the minority.
You are assuming that the AdMech will look at this rationally. They won't. Its a central tenet of their religion and the AdMech is at the end of the day a cargo cult.
The Ad Mech are against AI for religious reasons yes, but their definition for what is AI is basically 'any kind of thinking machine we do not like'. The ones they do like are called machine spirits and they worship them. The solution to getting them to accept the Tau VIs (because none of them are really sapient) is strictly a matter of religious interpretation. If Mona's word is not enough for 'this is totally not AI' then we can fix the Golden Throne and have the corpse on the throne add its own voice to it as a favor. What we should not do is deny lifesaving technology that is explicitly seen as a net good on the logic that it will be seen as bad later... when BTW we are playing a god-like diviner. IMO if that was not a real +4 to Imperial opinion Pandora would see it, there is no way such a blatant reversal could hide from her.
So, yeah. That was a very good point, that I and I think a few others, overlooked. Definitely something to keep in mind.
Yes of course they all hate AI... love machine spirits of course, and those definitely are not left over DAOT AI.
The +4 number isn't *everything* Yes. It'll help in the immediate sense of current Imperial acceptance. But it does not give us the knock on effects from the choice. The number isn't everything. We need to keep narrative effects and future effects in mind.
We can literally see centuries into the future, if something would be a massive reversal on a institutional level Pandora would see it.
- Location
- Sweden
I mean machine spirits seem to exsist, the only thing that is 100% AI is the Sparenza (in this quest not in canon 40k).
There's also all Titans and Knights, which are not full AI but clearly have some kind of 'spirit' that is built in to all of them and not actually a warp being.