Not to mention that Ulthuan piece probably has at least some weapons and defences that we could repair, which given that they are late war in heaven stuff could probably get a lot of stuff for us
 
Point was that Chaos is also significantly hampered by the location, in that they have to send Greater Demons as well.

Which means there's a good chance of scoring a few more permanent kills against Chaos.
I can't find that info in the thread. And why would we be able to permakill any Greater Demon that we fight?
 
I think that swordo will probably provide us some more details for ritual site itself in the update, but in general I think that we should put most of our AP on ritual with maybe some AP on the black library or finding Russ
 
Do all demons that Pandora kills get True Death? And she will be quite busy anyway. And do we know that for surer about the Deep Warp?
Not much.

As for Perma killing, it won't be every demon biting the dust forever. There are ways to kill demons forever, and it's easier to bring those to bear when there isn't an army of minions backing them up.
 
So here's the issue I see. The last Phoenix King was completely powerless to stop the Fall of the Eldar and the current usurper is hated by all of the survivors who are doing whatever they can to buck it's authority.

So it's a bit of a hollow mantle at the moment, don't you think?
That's what I'm wondering, and even if after Ynnead is in the picture becoming a Phoenix King comes with a power boost, whose to say that the new PK won't immediately go: "Time to rebuild the Dominion! Worship your betters, lesser races!"
Concerning the AdMech concessions, can Celestine take care of it by herself? Because given the stakes involved, it would be safer either to dedicate 1 Pandora AP to it or give her help.
We don't know. Some people have claimed that there is a WoG that she could, but no such thing has actually been brought forward.
 
That's what I'm wondering, and even if after Ynnead is in the picture becoming a Phoenix King comes with a power boost, whose to say that the new PK won't immediately go: "Time to rebuild the Dominion! Worship your betters, lesser races!"

Self-preservation? It's a title not mind control. The Eldar cannot do that, Phoenix King or no, they simply do not have the power. If anything they need allies against the Necrons even if Chaos dies tomorrow, which it will not.
 
That's what I'm wondering, and even if after Ynnead is in the picture becoming a Phoenix King comes with a power boost, whose to say that the new PK won't immediately go: "Time to rebuild the Dominion! Worship your betters, lesser races!"
Given ithat a member of such a "lesser race" is the only reason Ynnead exists at all, she will presumably have a positive view of mankind, or at least Pandora and her objectives. Ynnead is also likely to be smart enough to recognize that she deperatly need allies to fight Choas and Slaanesh, not more enemies.
 
Asuryan failed to stop it because he was utterly obssessed with not going back on his words even in the face of apocalypse, so he just actively let it happen.

"I said that Gods don't get to interact with the Materium and I meant it!" Says the guy who's being steadily drowned in a tide of Rule 34.

Same reason why he couldn't admit fault even when Adam rolled in and went "Dude what the fuck why did you have my boys killed or kidnapped?!?" Even though that wasn't his objective at all, he still was fundamentally unwilling to admit he fucked up, so he doubled down and went "Yes this was the plan all along"
 
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If we know the location of Ulthuan, would it not be possible to birth Ynnead using a different plant - I'd favour the Demon World - and, with the resulting (probable) chaos in Commorragh, rescue George and crown him Phoenix King (as righteous heir)? This, of course, relies on convincing George that something's worth fighting for, but does avoid the issue of creating a literal God-King of the Eldar, instead permanently binding them to Pandora's family. And for George - what better justice for his long torment to take what destiny Asuryan denied him and his brother?
 
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If we know the location of Ulthuan, would it not be possible to birth Ynnead using a different plant - I'd favour the Demon World - and, with the resulting (probable) chaos in Commorragh, rescue George and crown him Phoenix King (as righteous heir)? This, of course, relies on convincing George that something's worth fighting for, but does avoid the issue of creating a literal God-King of the Eldar, instead permanently binding them to Pandora's family. And for George - what better justice for his long torment to take what destiny Asuryan denied him and his brother?
And the Eldars would accept this and not instantly kill George... why?
 
If we know the location of Ulthuan, would it not be possible to birth Ynnead using a different plant - I'd favour the Demon World - and, with the resulting (probable) chaos in Commorragh, rescue George and crown him Phoenix King (as righteous heir)? This, of course, relies on convincing George that something's worth fighting for, but does avoid the issue of creating a literal God-King of the Eldar, instead permanently binding them to Pandora's family. And for George - what better justice for his long torment to take what destiny Asuryan denied him and his brother?
George wouldn't even piss on the Sacred Flames of the Phoenix King.

It's telling that his Sensei Siblings have been unable to do jack to get him out of his reasonable funk. Panda has no emotional hold over him. The only person who seems to know how to provoke any emotion in him anymore is Khan. The Primarch whose superpower is literally that he's the sane one of the family.
 
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So, I just recently read The End and the Death, and I'm a little curious how everyone else feels about it. It's really interesting how @Swordomatic actually got a lot of things right, even down to how the Star Child was created - just with the wrong timing.

On the other hand... The Dark King. Uh. That's a thing. A thing which makes me want to post the *screaming externally.jpg*, but a thing. Could I uh, get a heads up on whether we have to worry about that? because it ain't good if we do.
 
So, I just recently read The End and the Death, and I'm a little curious how everyone else feels about it. It's really interesting how @Swordomatic actually got a lot of things right, even down to how the Star Child was created - just with the wrong timing.

On the other hand... The Dark King. Uh. That's a thing. A thing which makes me want to post the *screaming externally.jpg*, but a thing. Could I uh, get a heads up on whether we have to worry about that? because it ain't good if we do.
I would advice against using things from the canon works as gospel in this quest. So much of it has tiny or big changes, or just has parts of it completely ignored that we cannot be sure. Sometimes because Swordo isn't even aware of them, or the new thing happened only after he had already put down the foundations of the lore for the quest and would clash with those. Trust only what has been confirmed in the quest itself.
 
Could we have problems if we use a same chapter gene seed to many time in a row ?,like the chapter being angry because we are lowering their ability to refile their numbers ?

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wrong quest sorry
 
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I would advice against using things from the canon works as gospel in this quest. So much of it has tiny or big changes, or just has parts of it completely ignored that we cannot be sure. Sometimes because Swordo isn't even aware of them, or the new thing happened only after he had already put down the foundations of the lore for the quest and would clash with those. Trust only what has been confirmed in the quest itself.
Well, yes. Hence why I asked.
 
Nothing about Dark King inherently contradicts the quest canon, but it also doesn't really add to it either. In both canons it only really serves to make Chaos' plans more insidious - the end of the Heresy was their consolation prize after the checkmate failed.

Throne-Emperor would never tell us about it if he even remembered, Sanguinius is too shattered to remember, Horus and Malcador are deleted. Nobody else was there. The only other person who I can see knowing about it is Lucan, and the sheer horror and panic he would have felt at sensing that from half a galaxy away it actually meshes well with both "I have to kill all of these motherfuckers right now before it's too late" as well as "Pandora's the same kind of threat, I'm not telling her anything, she might realize she could do it too".
 
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'The Emperor cannot into diplomacy' (See how he hid the Throne Trap thing from us).
He can understand the concept of debts fairly well as well as holding a useful tool over the barrel
Yeah, but she also has to protect the Realm of Sacrifice
The Ulthuan ritual site at least would probably be a big enough draw that the RoS would actually see a decrease in the siege for a bit, from all the Slaaneshis fucking off if nothing else
We don't know. Some people have claimed that there is a WoG that she could, but no such thing has actually been brought forward.
Not a WoG but, Celestine is a T2, most if not all the Primarchs are likely to be T2. Those facts imply some really impressive things about her abilities. To put the Agent tiers on a scale (and this is my own assumptions working here) A specialized T1 with support took ~20 years to hunt down Huron, a T2 probably could've done the same with the same resources in half the time at most, and Mona would have had it done and dusted in a year. In the case of the Mechanicus concessions, Celestine is a specialized (specifically combat specced) T2 going out to knock some heads together on four worlds that I would be surprised if they rate even being placed on the Apocalypse scale, given support from an appropriate asset she could almost certainly clear the batch in five years or so. Again, this is all personal assumptions so who knows beyond the QM
rescue George and crown him Phoenix King
George has been dead since before Michael was entombed in Commoragh
 
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