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A Reforged World (NO SV, You are King of Italy, in a Greatly Changed World)

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PeaterDuck12 said:
Keeping the church on our side is important as we are Italy, perhaps look into papal politics? Perhaps some temporal pressure to stop them from the worst of their excesses at least.
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We might even be able to strongarm the pope into not throwing a hissy fit in reponse to the early reformation and therefore keep it from becoming a church schism and and instead have it stay as the internal reform of catholicism it was originally intended as.
 
force200 said:
We might even be able to strongarm the pope into not throwing a hissy fit in reponse to the early reformation and therefore keep it from becoming a church schism and and instead have it stay as the internal reform of catholicism it was originally intended as.
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...That may be a little more difficult. Especially as IRL, some nations took advantage of the chance to get out of the church's thumb during the whole situation. *Cough*Henry VIII*Cough*
 
RealOtto said:
From what I remember, the issues of our cannons is based on mobility and its speed, and weight.
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kinda, we spent most of our time preparing naval guns for the navy and invented good shit.

And most batteries we created for land were kinda crap. Our rifles are far better then pistols and our pistols are better then our canon on land.
force200 said:
We might even be able to strongarm the pope into not throwing a hissy fit in reponse to the early reformation and therefore keep it from becoming a church schism and and instead have it stay as the internal reform of catholicism it was originally intended as.
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I'm sorry, but let me laugh!

AHAHAHAHAHA
Amilia said:
Wasn't our issue that we needed better shells rather than guns?
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And we don't have any of the industrial ideas to really do that.
Themarineguy said:
...That may be a little more difficult. Especially as IRL, some nations took advantage of the chance to get out of the church's thumb during the whole situation. *Cough*Henry VIII*Cough*
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And don't forget looting their churches, lands, and stripping them of their power.

that was a huge boon since lots of those lands could now be taxed.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Magoose on Jun 7, 2023 at 11:57 AM, finished with 56 posts and 27 votes.
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Well I'm going to call the vote most likely tonight…

However I do have one more thing to say:

Meanwhile in Russia:D100 => 98

We have another OC arising from the annals of obscurity!

Good to see you again Vasily. Don't wage genocide on the Mongols and we should be fine.

But my god your command stats… the greatest general of the age possibly and the only man who can possibly unify the Russian princes!
 
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So, how many Greats are running around this era?

We got the one royal that ran off to nation build the new land. We got us, whom became the gunsmith king of a newly unafied Italy. We got the incoming unafier of the Greeks, and now, we got one rising in Russia.

The era of the greats indeed.
 
RealOtto said:
Russian Napoleon coming to mess up Europe?
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More like Novgorodian peasant boy gathers a huge army of rabble with one of the worlds greatest mercenary, trains them to conquer Russia under Novgorod… and is just about to begin his conquest with a mandate and generalship from his nation.

Instead of Muscovy taking the upper hand… which means the entire charecter of Russia might change if the Tsardom has lost…

That is if he can win.
Themarineguy said:
So, how many Greats are running around this era?
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Depends… historical or fictional? Because then this may surprise you but a lot…
Themarineguy said:
We got the one royal that ran off to nation build the new land. We got us, whom became the gunsmith king of a newly unafied Italy. We got the incoming unafier of the Greeks, and now, we got one rising in Russia
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Lots again…
Themarineguy said:
The era of the greats indeed
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The Era of Little conquerers.

That's what is called right now in my notes because all of the big nations save for England and France and Germany… and Poland have rising stars or leaders who are Teenagers or young adults.

It's definitely a rebirth led by the young and new then the old and broken.
wencitofrum said:
I believe at this point, shells are too far away to target. Even the Valliere system guns, let alone the Gribeauval ones, would already be a good step forward.
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I mean we possibly can get to breechloading…

By the end of the century.

If we decide to dedicate an entire lifetime… to the art of gunsmithing.
 
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An Anthem of Italians
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    • An Anthem of Italians

    You were confused as you were just about to attend another night at the forge before being brought by Machiavelli to the local church.

    Honestly, with the previous mess with the Roman Catholic Church about the entire estate of their holdings in the capital, you weren't sure if you were even going to be welcomed again by another church, however this one does.

    Especially when you looked upon a boy about the same age or more in front of you with an excited look on his face, glowing further when he saw you walking in with an amused Machiavelli beside you.

    "Hello! Your Majesty!" He bowed, while you curled an eyebrow wondering why your master even got you to meet with the young lad, but before you could say anything, the man continued. "Francesco de Layolle at your service, and one at that with tonight's performance."

    A musician? You turned your head towards where the organ was located as the man walked towards it with a skip in his step. You then look back at Machievelli as he gestured to you to take a seat.

    Inwardly, you continued to wonder why you were even here tonight when you could keep continuing the innovation spree on the off-chance that the French tried an invasion on a seemingly weakened Italia..

    When the music played however, you finally understood..

    More so as old Machiavelli smirked with a nod.

    How to Unite a still welding country? A Song that speaks to them all.


    Version One:

    Il Canto degli Italiani
    Written By: Armando Giovanni (A Soldier and Veteran of the Ottoman-Italian War)
    Composed by: Francesco de Layolle


    View: https://youtu.be/oEg6Ym0ZXtQ?t=21


    Brothers of Italy,
    Italy has woken,
    Bound Scipio's helmet
    Upon her head.
    Where is Victory?
    Let her bow down,
    For God created her
    Citizen of Rome.​

    Chorus:
    Let us join in a cohort,
    We are ready to die.
    We are ready to die,
    Italy has called.
    Let us join in a cohort,
    We are ready to die.
    We are ready to die,
    Italy has called, yes!

    We were for centuries
    downtrodden, derided,
    because we are not one people,
    because we are divided.
    Let one flag, one hope
    gather us all.
    The hour has struck
    for us to unite.​

    Chorus

    Let us unite, let us love one another,
    For union and love
    Reveal to the people
    The ways of the Lord.
    Let us swear to set free
    The land of our birth:
    United, for God,
    Who can overcome us?​

    Chorus

    From the Alps to Sicily,
    Legnano is everywhere;
    Every man has the heart
    and hand of Ferruccio
    The children of Italy
    Are all called Balilla;
    Every trumpet blast
    sounds the Vespers.​

    Chorus

    Mercenary swords,
    they're feeble reeds.
    The Ottoman ships
    Has already lost its dreams.
    The blood of Italy
    and the German Blood
    It drank, along with the Sailors,
    But it burned its heart.​

    Chorus


    Version 2:
    Italia Forever
    Written By: Armando Giovanni (A Soldier and Veteran of the Ottoman-Italian War)
    Composed by: Francesco de Layolle

    https://youtu.be/AQWMX4gVuKk

    (First Stanza)
    Marching Together (in the)
    Name of Italia
    Brothers and Sisters fighting tyranny
    Before divided, Now united
    Against our enemies and slavers too!

    Come! Let them fight on the seas!
    Come! Let them bleed on our fields!
    Italia will fight on, Come on my friends!
    We shall never surrender!
    We shall never surrender!
    Italia will fight on, Come on my friends!

    (Second Stanza)
    Italia Forever
    Against our enemies
    To bleed to save another life
    Families suffer, no longer!
    From Romans to Venetians
    To Naples to Savoyans
    United in one flag
    United in song!

    Come! Let them bleed on our seas!
    Come! Let them bleed on our fields!
    Italia will fight on, Come on my friends!
    We shall never surrender!
    We shall never surrender!
    Italia will fight on, Come on my friends!

    (Third Stanza)
    Italians Together (in)
    Unity, Justice, and Freedom
    Serving one Kingdom
    Serving one's own King!
    My Brothers and Sisters
    Of the Land of Greatness
    We shall spread our wings
    And rise from the ranks!

    Come! Let them bleed on our seas!
    Come! Let them bleed on our fields!
    Italia will fight on, Come on my friends!
    We shall never surrender!
    We shall never surrender!
    Italia will fight on, Come on my friends!
    N/A: You may be asking: Why did I place down two songs? Well I was only going to post the 2nd Version before realising people would complain and say to use the Original Anthem (Il Canto degli Italiani), which I decided to place down as Version 1..along with changing the last part of it as it was strongly implying the Napoleonic Wars and Italian Liberation War against the Austrians and "Slave of Rome" To "Citizen of Rome" for obvious reasons with the Italian Navy and Foreign Policy.
     
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    • force200 said:
    Figures...


    It's already a thing, kinda
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    Looks at the last two turns of the previous quest…

    Oh wait I forgot…

    We already invented that design and made it better.

    So maybe functional multi shot single barrel designs?
    Alexander Sturnn said:
    Now, that is a Name I haven't heard in a long time...a LONG time...
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    Hey instead of an autocrat in the Russian form…. He's a republican in the Russian form… who wants to brutally unify Russia because brutality is all he knows…

    So really its a 50/50 chance that Russia's culture will be entirely changed by him.
    RealOtto said:
    An Anthem of Italians
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    +20 to the rolls.
     
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    • Magoose said:
    Scheduled vote count started by Magoose on Jun 6, 2023 at 2:59 PM, finished with 62 posts and 28 votes.
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    Wow, such a close race, but Yes won by the skin of its teeth! :p
     
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    Book 3: Chapter 2: A New Age
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    • Book 3: Chapter 2: A New Age
    In Which the King realizes that Destiny is now Upon him, and the only thing he can do is meet it head-on.​

    It was rather strange to be speaking to so many men in front of you, but that was the extent of numerous problems that all came together at this very moment. You were not alone, that you were certain of, as you had your master right beside you, ready to save you from embarrassment and from the sanctity of having to desecrate yourself in the public forum that was this new institution, the Senate.

    Yet even in that mirror or horror, that was standing in front of men to speak to them, there was a sense of calm. There was a sense of ease, as they all had no expectations for you. There was no anything.

    You were a blank Canvas that you could change their entire being on.

    Change their outlooks into something far more solid or malleable than you could ever expect.

    Speech Preparedness:D100 => 79+20+3=102

    Thankfully, you had had time to prepare for everything, to tell them precisely what you wished, not in writing, but in the words that you had, in your voice!

    "All of you have come here to serve as representatives of my Government. That all of you have come here to not only see me, as I grant you leave to do such a noble and brilliant task, for the safety of Italia but also in the simple matters that are even greater than all. Of all the great matters of state, the eyes of the world are upon us, hoping that we fail in this great and noble endeavor that we all share."

    You paused and moved. "Perhaps it is not unwise to remind ourselves that the great kings and Emperors of Europe do not have a noble and illustrious history, that shares, in our ancient history, when men gathered in the Republic of Rome to serve as their own masters. That we seek to reclaim much of that heritage, while keeping an eye to the noble politics that has granted us strength, and have become a mainstay of our times, is not lost to us."

    "They want us to fail, for our noble experiment in bringing back our Senate could only be done by us, then any of the other fools that would seek to replicate it. So as we begin this great journey, do not forget that history is watching us all, and Almighty God will smile upon our noble quest."

    As you ended, Machiavelli was smiling, and you could understand his pride as he walked behind you, going back towards the Palace forge. "I think that was rather simple. The kind that took no risks and was precisely as it was needed."

    "Could have used a little more flowery language, but you got your point across accurately, and in a way that is not demeaning." Your master then frowned. "Back to the Smithy?"

    "You can take a blacksmith from the forge and make him King, but you cannot take the Forge away from the Blacksmith. It's honest work that reminds me of my true passion. Not of yours."

    Your master shook his head. "The stories that will be told of you when the future writes your histories. Do you ever think about what they will think of you?"

    "Not particularly, I'd rather my inventions and actions do my talking for me." You replied. "Is there anything else Master, that you wish to speak of?"

    Your master then sighed, and let him tap your back. "There will be many things that will require your attention in the future, do not forget that."

    "I know." You state quietly, as you reached the new forge. "I just want you to know that sometimes, there are a lot of things I always want to do."

    "Gunnery for you can be left to others." Your master replied.

    "Yet there is no one better than I at Gunsmithing." You replied. "And you know that."
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    Governmental Actions: You are now the Master and Commander of the State. Though there is a great deal of power you have, there is also much power you do not. As you are the commander in chief, you are in charge of the Army, and the Navy.

    You have 3 actions.

    []The Prime Minister: Of the Consul of the Senate… The Head of your new government, as well much more. They will be your chief advisor, a man in charge of many domestic and international issues. You also get some say on who it would be. DC: 0 Reward: You choose your new Prime minister, and your government is formed.

    []Ordering the Navy: You have the most powerful navy in the world. You can use it as you see fit. So you will see it. DC:??? Reward: You use the Navy to enforce your diplomatic will. (Linetail what you want them to do)

    []Rebuilding Rome: Rome is an ancient city, a city that has, for too long suffered in disrepair and slimness, you want to see just how feasible it is. DC:??? Reward: You look at a City of Marble, and wish to make it more.

    []Invest in the Future: You want to invest in your country, and there are a few ways you can do that (Write in what you want to invest in) DC: ??? Reward: You invest in the nation (Linetail what you want to invest in below this action as a line tail)

    []The Changing Winds: You look at many of the French envoys that are being sent to you. And then you look at a map. "What does the King Want?" DC: 25 Reward: You learn to your dismay, that you caused a great uproar. And put the Fear of God into all of Europe.

    []The New World: You want to plan a new world Expedition. DC: 40/80 Reward: You begin the Planning phases of a New World Expedition.

    []The Moderates and You: The Moderates are what you expect. Men who want nothing more than to keep Italy stable, happy and their positions secured. It is an honorable position to have, and perhaps there are things that can make things happy. DC: 20 Reward: You meet with the Moderates, and discover their objectives and political makeup.

    [] The Men who would make you an Autocrat: The Grazini's. The so-called Royalists, and His Majesty's most Loyal Friends in the Senate. That is to say, they want to destroy the Senate, and the farcical Republican institutions that had been instilled into the Nation. While you do not agree with their… final goal, you also see that they can be good allies in a pinch, to secure a majority in government. DC: 20 Reward: You meet with the Royalists, and find out more about their objectives and political makeup.

    []The Last Republicans: There are not many that would consider themselves Ardent Republicans… That much was certain when they dwindled in the last few years. But they are men who were of the same Cloth as Machevelis coat before Macheveli chose the State, then his republican ideals, men who saw the bright future of a Republic smothered away by compromise, instead of dealing with it. DC: 20 Reward: You meet with the Republicans. The men who would have given everything for a Republic.

    Personal Actions: To think, being an adult means you have more time to work. Quite impossible.

    You have 4 actions.

    []Letters from an old Friend: Charles has sent a letter from the New World. A New World he intends to conquer. DC: 0 Reward: You look at the whole letter, and realize something strange. He doesn't want to come back.

    []Simple Pleasures: Your master has decided to take a break out in the countryside, and you, in your infinite wisdom… joined him.

    []The Order of Solutions: They have asked for more guns from you, and you want to know why? DC: 30 Reward: You find out what the Hell Jon Charles Severin has done.

    []The Prince: You are going to learn from your master's book, and see what wisdom you can gleam. DC: 55 Reward: you learn how to be a Prince of a nation.

    []Of God and Command: Your Master is not just a diplomat without peers, but he is a commander of men, and while he is not seasoned as other commanders in Italy, he does have immaculate organizational skills. DC: 25 Reward: You learn how to command men, and to be a leader.

    []The Keys of State Craft: Your master wants you to learn the fine arts of making friends and allies. Even if it means you abhor them. DC: 40 Reward: You learn the fine arts of diplomacy.

    []The Law of the Land: You need to learn how this new constitution works. And that means doing other things. Like learning how laws work. DC: 40 Reward: You learn more about the law.

    []The New Nobility: You want to meet the new courtiers. AKA the people you know will be wishing to be parasites to the state. DC: 30 Reward: You talk to the new courtiers.

    []The Diplomatic Situation: You need to know how the state is viewed by the Rest of Europe. DC: 40 Reward: You see the documents. And worry about progress.

    []The Eagle: Ezio has returned and is back to the problem at hand. Trying to serve as a friend to a king. DC: 40 Reward: You meet Ezio again.

    []Innovate or Die: You are the greatest engineer alive. Perhaps you can come up with something. DC:??? Reward: You invent something (Must line tail what you wish to invent below this action, can be taken multiple times)

    []To Design a Better Gun (Firing mechanism): You have an idea to make the Design better, and now all you need to do is put it to paper and try it out. DC: ??? Reward: You make the gun better.

    []To Design a Better Gun (Reload Speed): You have an idea to make the Design better, and now all you need to do is put it to paper and try it out. DC: ??? Reward: You make the gun better.

    []To Design a Better Gun (Manufacturing): You have an idea to make the Design better, and now all you need to do is put it to paper and try it out. DC: ??? Reward: You make the gun better. For yourself to make it that is.

    []To Design a Better Gun (Cannons): Your field battery is not the best, you know it, your navy knows it, and your army knows it.

    []To Design a Better Gun (Cannons, Ammunition): You want to see if you can make a better cannon shot. Reward: You make the explosive better.


    AN: Enjoy, and please vote in plan format please.
     
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    • Magoose said:
    []Letters from an old Friend: Charles has sent a letter from the New World. A New World he intends to conquer. DC: 0 Reward: You look at the whole letter, and realize something strange. He doesn't want to come back.
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    Looks like Charles has found his passion. Building a nation out of nothing but his guts and the unruly conquistador horde that followed. :V
     
    Themarineguy said:
    Looks like Charles has found his passion. Building a nation out of nothing but his guts and the unruly conquistador horde that followed. :V
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    Well, not entirely nothing... He did, however, pull a Cortes with only 300 men... against the Aztecs...

    Sure he managed to basically get all of Mexico with that... but hey, he was in the neighborhood for a trade deal with the local power and they tried to kill him, so...

    He took exception to that. :V
     
    Alexander Sturnn said:
    Speaking of which, I wonder what Cortez and Pizarro are up to in this Timeline?
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    Actually, I can tell you precisely what they are up to.

    Cortez is off doing bad things as Charles's enforcer in Mexico when he needs problems to disappear... Though his leash is really short, and he has to be very careful not to get executed by... Charles needs to make an example of people who disobey him.

    This has the added effect of not nearly as many natives dying to Spanish bullshit, and slavery, seeing as many of those tribes have bent their knees to Charles and his new Crown... So there isn't as much slavery of the natives as there was IRL... just some... prisoner labor.

    (On an aside, Charles's rule in Hispaniola and Cuba has actually prevented, for now at least, the genocide of the Island's native populations if only by the fact they are actually not actively being murdered by Spanish plantation owners through hard labor and neglect. They are still dying in droves due to old world diseases, but they aren't actively being murdered)

    But they are still being completely devastated by smallpox and other old-world diseases.

    And Cortez is trying to prevent Aid from getting to them. Which is where things are right now. Charles and his supporters in a power struggle with Spanish supporters who only nominally trust Charles and want to use him as a way to... get power for themselves.

    So there is that side of the struggle that will continue.

    (Charles showing up in the Americas has both been a detriment to Spanish Imperialism... but do not mistake his rule for Benevolent. He's still doing the whole, convert or Die that the Spanish were known for.)
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    Meanwhile with Pizarro...

    With Charles holding the reigns, he's actually mapping and doing conquistador stuff in the Mississippi Delta rather than going to South America... for now.

    Seeing as he is actually trying to find a route to Asia at this point, and wants gold and silver and plunder.

    So expect an invasion of the Inca sooner rather then later.
     
    Magoose said:
    Well, not entirely nothing... He did, however, pull a Cortes with only 300 men... against the Aztecs...

    Sure he managed to basically get all of Mexico with that... but hey, he was in the neighborhood for a trade deal with the local power and they tried to kill him, so...

    He took exception to that. :V
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    Now, the only question is, will he end up making an Americas empire, or would he get a new neighbor that as seems to be the current pattern, led by a wonderkund child?
     
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