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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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[X] Though I agree that all men should join together in the face of such threats, that fact is that I came here to discuss a ransom. The fact is that you are the lords and knight beholden to one that has taken hostile action against me, when I had not struck against them [exile from Braavos, that fleet that we failed to properly capture, possibly Wildfire attack, but that them being used as a proxy]. The fact is that I could head to Braavos, Tyrosh, Pentos, Quarth and I would find such evils, or ones of a different ilk. Don't even ask me about Ib. So, knowing that I could literally go anywhere and save lives, why should I spend my time helping the people who serve those that strike at me, (a glance to Criston), those that would insult my friends, over spending that same irreplaceable time saving those who's lords/leaders/rulers have done me and mine no injury?
-[X] Me and mine are willing to help you, but in return, I want an Inn. We will help you if you say we can have one of your taverns. Any, one, of your taverns.

We were going to do this anyway, but I want to get their permission for an Inn, it's weird. :D But maybe not agreeing to help them straight off will make them go crazy "we insult and hate* you, but now there are devils how dare you not help us!?!" So, maybe not be so hostile as I am, but I still want get permission for the inn. It's funnier than taking it.

*the hate is both stupid and understandable, the insults are just not on.
 
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What? No, we're having Vee harvest grafts. This is a devil that we have dead to rights that hasn't done us any service so Dany won't bug us to spare it.
Also, it has these, any of which I would love for the Seeker:


Absolutely no reason we can't do both. What were you imagining where we have to give up all possibility of grafts in favor of better PR?
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Yes, it has a lot of absolutely great abilities, we really should get grafts from it.
 
@BeepSmile, you have to read inbetween the inbetween.

We have no way of proving we weren't responsible for this fiasco, but Renly feels indebted because he rightly sees that we did just save this entire negotiation from breaking down, and maybe even his life.

He wants to prove to these Lords that it's not folly to continue talks, and also utilize our strength to do what his older brother can't, which is defend his vassals from things beyond mortal ken.

It may be a political move, but it's the right political move that serves to both of our benefit.
 
I don't see how it's "stealing" the inn in the first place. It's a private business that as far as I can tell isn't owned by the Baratheon. Does he own the workers of the inn? Does he stop them from moving to different kingdoms or across the sea? No? Then this is all just an elaborate form of tax evasion since that's literally the only thing owed to Renly. :p
 
[X] Plan "Viserys just got a new ally of convenience!"
-[X] "Agreed my Lord. Best we relocate however, where watching eyes might not easily go. Shall we reconvene?"
-[X] Secure a hall from eavesdroppers, clear any imps that are found out, and suggest Brienne be questioned in regards to what she saw. Also suggest she use the Wayfinder in order to locate the Imp from earlier for capture.
 
@Crake, can you specify that we're not undoing the Baleful Polymorph for the assassin while in Tarth since it's far too easy to escape? I don't want to take any chances, and I feel like we have to be over-specific when we have incidents like the surprise!awakened jellyfish swarm, or the incident where we dawdled for no reason IC and the Mindflayer wizard dimension-doored to the sea caves and would have gotten away clean if it didn't think it could kill us.
 
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Seconding the not questioning the Turtle here due to greater teleport/dimension door. Tell them we have an area in our lands where such things can not just leave at will like they can... anywhere that is not prepared to stop their magics if they get pushy.

Also, would like to know if there is a handy way of knocking a Turtle unconscious if it isn't right now, another devil could telepathy the still full-minded turtle to plan or prepare better than it already is if we are unlucky.
 
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Duesal said:
@Crake, can you specify that we're not undoing the Baleful Polymorph for the assassin while in Tarth since it's far too easy to escape? I don't want to take any chances, and I feel like we have to be over-specific when we have incidents like the surprise!awakened jellyfish swarm, or the incident where we dawdled for no reason IC and the Mindflayer wizard dimension-doored to the sea caves and would have gotten away clean if it didn't think it could kill us.
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You don't want them to get overly involved in the interrogation. What do we say? It may be a salient point that doing it here might not be a good idea, but Renly seems brave enough to want to see this through, even at the danger of placing him essentially at our mercy.

He might even point out, if we bring it up, that he's already as good as in our mercy just being out here with him, Lord Tarth and half a dozen knights.

And he wouldn't be wrong.

Edit: Actually, I have a good counter to that line of thought.
 
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Crake said:
You don't want them to get overly involved in the interrogation. What do we say? It may be a salient point that doing it here might not be a good idea, but Renly seems brave enough to want to see this through, even at the danger of placing him essentially at our mercy.

He might even point out, if we bring it up, that he's already as good as in our mercy just being out here with him, Lord Tarth and half a dozen knights.

And he wouldn't be wrong.

Edit: Actually, I have a good counter to that line of thought.
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If we absolutely must and Renly insists on seeing the interrogation of the Assassin devil, we go through all the steps: curse, go to SD, Planar Binding Tree, but all without brian melting. We let Renly ask questions to his heart's desire, then BP the devil again and we take Renly back to Tarth. And then we go home and finish the Brain Melting and have Vee get the grafts under a Mage's Private Sanctum.

[X] Crake
 
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[X] Plan "Viserys just got a new ally of convenience!"
-[X] "Agreed my Lord. Best we relocate however, where watching eyes might not easily go. Shall we reconvene?"
-[X] Secure a hall from eavesdroppers, clear any imps that are found out, and suggest Brienne be questioned in regards to what she saw. Also suggest she use the Wayfinder in order to locate the Imp from earlier for capture.
-[X] If questioned about when, how and where we intend to interrogate the shelled turtle, provide the following observations: The Fiend, if not bound with potent sorcery and held in captivity in a specially prepared area where it cannot use translocation to effect an escape, would provide too great a risk to release it from its polypmorphed shape. We intend on more thoroughly interrogating it at Sorcerer's Deep before disposing of it in such a way that it could not re-manifest and plague us with further assassination attempts, method unspecified other than that there are multiple avenues to doing so and that simply killing it doesn't destroy it entirely, just sends it back to Hell, if asked.
-[X] If Renly still insists, we will use our standard MOP in dealing with the Fiend, minus any overt brain-melting, then BP it again for later disposal.
 
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Guys... is is an assassin devil with class levels. There is a good chance you simply will not be able to brain melt it, since keeping secrets, even under torture is a rather essential part of an assassin's job.
 
@DragonParadox Torture just doesn't work, doubly so because of exactly what you said.

Magical compulsion, repeated magical compulsion, is still our best method of information extraction, which you know full well.

We have time to pour into a more thorough interrogation. But other than truth auras and stuff and the right pointed questions, there's not really much else we can do.
 
Crake said:
@DragonParadox Torture just doesn't work, doubly so because of exactly what you said.

Magical compulsion, repeated magical compulsion, is still our best method of information extraction, which you know full well.

We have time to pour into a more thorough interrogation. But other than truth auras and stuff and the right pointed questions, there's not really much else we can do.
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Pretty much this. We can give it our best shot, but if that doesn't work then we just shrug and start getting every bit of value out of its corpse.

I'm pretty excited about that amulet, btw. The entry for Assassin devils says they put all of their wealth into gear for maximum efficiency. And I'm happy we got the Cold Iron Longsword as well. :D The last two chapters were my best case scenario, I got everything I hoped for.

And Ser Richard and Garin got enough XP to level up. :)
 
We've proven in Mantarys how badly Demons are of a match-up for us, whereas Devils are at least a "worthy opponent".

Our game is strong when it comes to locating enemies, catching them out of position, and simply using brute force to batter them down/into submission.

Our game is weak when it comes to espionage, duplicity and counter intelligence, and even then only "weak" compared to the diabolic machinations of fiends. It's actually pretty daunting compared to what most in Westeros would be capable of, even Varys doesn't have agents half so competent/experienced as us when it comes to subtlety and spy work, and it's not even our area of focus.
 
You know. We where wondering who to put in charge of Tyrosh a while ago and now we have a shiny Fenly right in front of us...

I'm not saying that we should loot him, but he does fit into pur bag just fine...
 
Crake said:
Our game is weak when it comes to espionage, duplicity and counter intelligence, and even then only "weak" compared to the diabolic machinations of fiends. It's actually pretty daunting compared to what most in Westeros would be capable of, even Varys doesn't have agents half so competent/experienced as us when it comes to subtlety and spy work, and it's not even our area of focus.
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Eh, if you look at our background in Braavos, we're actually quite good at intrigue. The gap there is we're not good at delegating it, we don't know how to go from "personally good at intrigue" -> "Have a strong and useful spy network," like Varys does.

Edit: We've started to work on it via magic, but we're still a dabbler in spy network formation compared to Varys.
 
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We'll see. If we could locate the original flavor Renly, convincing Not-Renly that he's not the real one but hey, we have this perfectly chaos-ridden city that needs virtuous guiding hands to hold the reins for him if he's in need of new employment... it could be in the cards.

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@DragonParadox Even if we find the imps, they won't have much information to give us.

And now you're saying we definitely can't extract much useful from the ones who would have more information.

I mean, I get it, these are fiends we're dealing with, but you realize that realistically we have to try or else face the very real possibility that there's zero hope of ever figuring out more leads to devils/people who in turn will know more that we can question.
 
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[X] Azel
@Duesal @Goldfish @Azel Regardless of how the Interrogation goes, we need to point them at the real culprits:
Who benefits the most from the Lord of dragonstone remaining our prisoner?
Who we know to have dealing with all kind of Evil beings? (Or that is what we are going to tell them)
Who is so treacherous and lacking in honor that would order the death of a fellow Lord to further his own plans?
Yep, thats right, Tywin did this.
If Renly can convince Robert to investigate It, he is going to find something
 
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