Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)
- Thread starter Silently Watches
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FunkyEntropy
Occasionally insightful, possibly grumpy
- Location
- Los Angeles
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I think the best way of defining Samantha and others of that archetype (Faaaaate), is that she's a lightning bruiser that's utterly devastating against soft targets that she can close in on, but loses to hard targets and kiting.
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
On the one hand, we are skipping Endbringer fight and that's good. They are painful to read.
On the other hand, we are skipping Endbringer fight and that's bad. After all, if every parahuman think 'my power is not really helpful against that Endbringer and I have other important things to do', there would be only dozen or two of participants. It would be disastrous.
On the third hand, it's kind of fit Taylor's MO. After all, in the beginning we decided that being a hero means 'destroy the villains'. Taylor is incapable to destroy Endbringer right now, so there is no reason to fight it at all.
On the fourth hand, isn't it Lung's school of thought?
Yes, I have very many hands.
[X] Go to the Endbringer fight – Behemoth likes fire and radiation? Too bad for him, those are your toys. The lightning bolts might be more of a problem, but that's what shields and a Barrier Jacket are for, right?
[X] Come with you
Or you don't even consider the possibility of taking them alive?
On the other hand, we are skipping Endbringer fight and that's bad. After all, if every parahuman think 'my power is not really helpful against that Endbringer and I have other important things to do', there would be only dozen or two of participants. It would be disastrous.
On the third hand, it's kind of fit Taylor's MO. After all, in the beginning we decided that being a hero means 'destroy the villains'. Taylor is incapable to destroy Endbringer right now, so there is no reason to fight it at all.
On the fourth hand, isn't it Lung's school of thought?
Yes, I have very many hands.
[X] Go to the Endbringer fight – Behemoth likes fire and radiation? Too bad for him, those are your toys. The lightning bolts might be more of a problem, but that's what shields and a Barrier Jacket are for, right?
[X] Come with you
I'm pretty sure non-lethal Solar Wrath is non-radioactive.
Or you don't even consider the possibility of taking them alive?
- Location
- USA
Friendly reminder-quote for those yet to vote
Aren't you curious? There is some unknown secret to the Flare Mana-Conversion we didn't learn when we avoided fighting Lung...
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
Friendly reminder-quote for those yet to vote
If we throw an actual nuke at Behemoth out of a Recursion Field we'd just be doing his job for him.
- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
Behemoth emerged in the middle of Kharkiv and roared. "Let's get ready to RRRUMBLE!!!"
But then he looked around confusedly. "What... What's happened here? Why is everything on fire already? We didn't even start fighting! Hm, I smell something in the air... Lethal dose of radiation? But that's my shtick! How... Who..."
Finally he found the perpetrator, a girl in a witch hat, who argued with Eidolon about something.
Behemoth sobbed. "Dadversary! How could you?! We had so much fun together, and now what? You're suddenly replacing me with some magical girl?! Firstly Ziz got obsessed with these stupid cartoons, now you too? How could you?!"
He ran away in tears.
LancerisDead
Definitely not a cat
- Location
- Buenos Aires
Sufficient Velocity: where nuking a town isn't the issue, but doing it faster than the other guy is.
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[X] Stay at the warehouse – You could say you trust the Dragonslayers not to go after the radio while you're in Ukraine, but that would be a massive lie. You'd bet money they're headed this way. Time to catch a rat.
[X] Go with Danny
[X] Go with Danny
Silently Watches
Professional Stalker
- Location
- Right behind you
Theses are interesting assumptions.
*huffffffffff*
I've already answered this multiple times, but here's a hint: did I ASK for battle plans?
No. She knows a little bit from watching TV, but about as much as you'd expect from someone who's never used a gun before.
Like Rust Shooter, it would affect number.
Solar Wrath is only radioactive when set to lethal. I know I've mentioned this before.
You might want to check that warning again. I never said that Taylor would lose any time she fought them, just that it would happen if she tried one specific thing.
EDIT: Or see Racoras's post.
Abso-frigging-lutely. Remember, Nanoha is a setting with bombardment specialists. If the enemy is too heavily armored for the bruisers to squash them, set your artillery after them.
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- Location
- Tarn-Vedra
[x] Stay at the warehouse – You could say you trust the Dragonslayers not to go after the radio while you're in Ukraine, but that would be a massive lie. You'd bet money they're headed this way. Time to catch a rat.
[x] Come with you.
[x] Come with you.
- Location
- England
Why have people forgotten that Recursion Field is specifically designed to trap mages? It won't drag Saint and his buddies in at all, just their mage, seeing as they are all unpowered normies.
If we cast that then Taylor and Samantha can 2v1 the mage, have Samantha teleport the mage off somewhere else (Actually, why not take the opportunity to teleport her to a different dimension entirely, even if she escapes her bonds she will be trapped there until we come back to get her) and tie her down or something, then come back and fight Saint if he's still hanging around.
While I do want to grab Saint, I really don't want them to have a mage for any longer than we can let them, I don't want them to get any stronger than they already are.
Once their mage is trapped we can use any spell we damn well please, up to and including Rangarok if we felt like it.
If we cast that then Taylor and Samantha can 2v1 the mage, have Samantha teleport the mage off somewhere else (Actually, why not take the opportunity to teleport her to a different dimension entirely, even if she escapes her bonds she will be trapped there until we come back to get her) and tie her down or something, then come back and fight Saint if he's still hanging around.
While I do want to grab Saint, I really don't want them to have a mage for any longer than we can let them, I don't want them to get any stronger than they already are.
Once their mage is trapped we can use any spell we damn well please, up to and including Rangarok if we felt like it.
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- Location
- Ural, Russia, Earth
Please remember, to teleport someone we need:
1. Get within 10 feet of them.
2. Stand still for several seconds.
3. Get them to stand still for several seconds.
So, I see only two way to use teleport against enemy: defeat enemy first, then teleport them (but why, if they're already defeated?) or persuade them to go with you voluntarily (ha-ha)
You really seem to hate Philadelphia if you want to nuke it
. You yourself posted that only the mage would end up inside the Recursive Field. So after taking down the mage we have no way to trap Saint inside it (unless he is the mage which would have been funny) and no way to cast Ragnarok without collateral damage if we want to use it on Dragonslayers. The PRT might be a little miffed if we nuke a city while the Truce is in effect.My tactic if we end up fighting the Dragonslayers is:
1. Temporal Sludge on them. If we can get all of them good, if not focus on the mage (hoping they didn't switch power suits) to lower their response speeds.
2. Cartridge enhanced barrage of Rust Shooter while their reaction time is slowed. If possible use multiple trajectories.
3. If we have time on the Temporal Sludge still use Blitz Rush to change position and fire a second barrage of Rust Shooters on a different heading. Most shield spells are directional in Nanoha (I have seen at least a couple of times when a shielded mage got hit by a sucker punch from a shooting spell on a guided trajectory)
4. After the Sludge effects end we will have hopefully at least damaged their suits (maybe disabled their exposed parts responsible for flight) so we will have Samantha harass the mage while we focus on the non mages.
5. Surprise them by going close range with a Blitz Rush and Flare Blade. Everyone knows we are a blaster so all the plans Dragonslayers must have made for us probably take into account a standard brute/blaster duo with the blaster having some brute rating. I don't think we have used Flare Blade in a combat situation. If we can charge it with a cartridge it might be enough to take down one of them by surprise. If we are lucky and got Saint the others might panic. Especially if we manage to penetrate the pilot compartment and they don't know our attack is non-lethal. This might only work once but if it works we gain a huge advantage and they have to shift tactics in the middle of combat which even for experienced and trained troops can take time.
If those 5 points can be completed and there are only 3 enemies we will end up with a 2v2 fight with our opponents in damaged suits and with one of them down that they might want to protect/retrieve if they think they have a chance of surviving our attack.
Always Late
Lacking in coffee, sleep, and brains
- Location
- Ohio
After Cadejo I am very skeptical about the ability of Solar Wrath's non-lethal abilities to break powered armor.
I have a small question for you, Silently Watches. It's mostly an idle thought. What are the chances that if we keep focusing on our relationship with Dragon and Tim learns to make Unison Devices (I really want him to make one that is designed for our own use or convert PS to Unison capabilities and use an armed device for combat) for us to change Dragon into an Unison Device. Unison Devices have at least some rights in TSAB space (Reinforce Zwei holds a military rank), have their own body, can make other AI (Reinforce Zwei helped design intelligent devices), can cast spells so have an artificial Linker Core, etc. Basically to use her personality and memories as the core of the new Unison Device.
Maybe Tim would need Unison Devices and Exotic Physics to get around the safeties since they are Tinker made and Exotic Physics could help understand the principles that were used when designing the core hardware safeties. If we can get at the Dragonslayers stash (not likely) then it should be easier.
I joined this quest after the BB arcs were almost done and was really sad that we didn't get Purity as our companion. If we had we would have had some more adult influence to offset Danny.
Maybe Tim would need Unison Devices and Exotic Physics to get around the safeties since they are Tinker made and Exotic Physics could help understand the principles that were used when designing the core hardware safeties. If we can get at the Dragonslayers stash (not likely) then it should be easier.
I joined this quest after the BB arcs were almost done and was really sad that we didn't get Purity as our companion. If we had we would have had some more adult influence to offset Danny.
- Location
- England
Are you confused?
I clearly stated that we beat the shit out of the mage 2v1 and when they are down we teleport them? It's not like they can run at that point.
We want to teleport them so that when we drop out of Recursive Field Saint can't just grab them and run.
Any damage we do inside the Recursive Field is reverted once it is dropped. We could drop a literal nuke in there and it would be A-Ok.You really seem to hate Philadelphia if you want to nuke it
My tactic if we end up fighting the Dragonslayers is:
1. Temporal Sludge on them. If we can get all of them good, if not focus on the mage (hoping they didn't switch power suits) to lower their response speeds.
2. Cartridge enhanced barrage of Rust Shooter while their reaction time is slowed. If possible use multiple trajectories.
3. If we have time on the Temporal Sludge still use Blitz Rush to change position and fire a second barrage of Rust Shooters on a different heading. Most shield spells are directional in Nanoha (I have seen at least a couple of times when a shielded mage got hit by a sucker punch from a shooting spell on a guided trajectory)
4. After the Sludge effects end we will have hopefully at least damaged their suits (maybe disabled their exposed parts responsible for flight) so we will have Samantha harass the mage while we focus on the non mages.
5. Surprise them by going close range with a Blitz Rush and Flare Blade. Everyone knows we are a blaster so all the plans Dragonslayers must have made for us probably take into account a standard brute/blaster duo with the blaster having some brute rating. I don't think we have used Flare Blade in a combat situation. If we can charge it with a cartridge it might be enough to take down one of them by surprise. If we are lucky and got Saint the others might panic. Especially if we manage to penetrate the pilot compartment and they don't know our attack is non-lethal. This might only work once but if it works we gain a huge advantage and they have to shift tactics in the middle of combat which even for experienced and trained troops can take time.
If those 5 points can be completed and there are only 3 enemies we will end up with a 2v2 fight with our opponents in damaged suits and with one of them down that they might want to protect/retrieve if they think they have a chance of surviving our attack.
And, to be honest, I feel our best option to fight them is to Gank their mage via Recursive Field, and once that's done we can just hand back at range and either melt or beam them to death/unconsciousness.