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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Massgamer said:
First off, these are followers of the Seven so are highly unlikely to want to come with is.

Second the lord that attacked them was not this village's lord and therefore the new one technically attacked the holdings of another cause he thought he could get away with it.

Therefore if the villager's hand over the lord's brother to their lord said lord can prevent further attacks on them.

Third, even if they agreed to come with us there is likely too many to teleport all in a timely fashion.
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These are medieval serfs who know their ruling Lord, who their lives basically belong to do with as he pleases, has decided he wants them dead for a monumentally asinine reason. Seven be damned, they'll come to Sorcerer's Deep, because they don't want to die. Pragmatic survival instinct has a wonderful habit of stripping away delusions of religious piety.
 
Goldfish said:
These are medieval serfs who know their ruling Lord, who their lives basically belong to do with as he pleases, has decided he wants them dead for a monumentally asinine reason. Seven be damned, they'll come to Sorcerer's Deep, because they don't want to die. Pragmatic survival instinct has a wonderful habit of stripping away delusions of religious piety.
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This was not their lord but another lord effectively declaring war, not that much will come of it.
 
MTB said:
Okay - and now explain to me, please, where is the difference between that and what happened to the village?
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Context. The villagers didn't deserve violation, destruction, or death. The attackers do. The mental calculus isn't complicated this time. Bad people who do bad things for bad reasons don't deserve mercy.
 
Goldfish said:
These are medieval serfs who know their ruling Lord, who their lives basically belong to do with as he pleases, has decided he wants them dead for a monumentally asinine reason. Seven be damned, they'll come to Sorcerer's Deep, because they don't want to die. Pragmatic survival instinct has a wonderful habit of stripping away delusions of religious piety.
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DragonParadox said:
This was not their lord but another lord effectively declaring war, not that much will come of it.
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Once again, those that attacked this village came on the orders of another lord not their own.
 
DragonParadox said:
Armond Morrigen,
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Did you not mean to use Richard or Guyard Morrigen? Those are the younger brothers, and heirs, of Lord Lester Morrigen, the Lord of Crow's Nest in cannon. Or has our actions butterflied things so far that it's a different branch of the family in charge now? Or is our sense motive so bad we can't tell he's lieing about names now?

[j/k] Fly to Crow's nest and steal the castle, Saltcliff could do with better fortifications.
-[j/k] Threaten to eat Nestor Morrigen if he resists


[X] Duesal​
 
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Mormont said:
[j/k] Fly to Crow's nest and steal the castle, Saltcliff could do with better fortifications.
-[j/k] Threaten to eat Nestor Morrigen if he resists
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We arent really a dragon until we kidnap a prince(ss) and hold them hostage.

All the princesses we kidnapped up until now wanted to come with us so it doesn't count.
 
Massgamer said:
Once again, those that attacked this village came on the orders of another lord not their own.
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While I appreciate the clarification, it really changes nothing. The people are still likely to be murdered if the other lord finds out what happened to his men here. On top of that, these villagers have just lost most, if not all of their livelihood. There wasn't much of a safety net back in medieval times; poor peasants grew their food or they died of starvation. Westerosi nobility isn't known for being populated by decent human beings, nor charitable ones.

Realistically, most of the survivors have an unfortunate chance of starving to death or dying of diseases their weakened bodies could have otherwise fought off, if too much of their crops were lost here.
 
Duesal said:
I was thinking something along these lines.

[X] His noble heritage and youth does not under any circumstance excuse him of his crime. He has led the slaughter of the village for no just cause. He and his men will all die by your hand, unmourned and unremembered.
-[X] Hang all the raiders.
-[X] Allow the villagers to loot the corpses for weapons or spare coin.
-[X] Make a proposal to the villagers to send a ship to them to take them to Torturer's Deep.
-[X] Promise stable work, fair wages, a roof over their heads, futures for their children, and most of all promise your protection.
-[X] Teleport to Torturer's Deep and pick up either a captain or navigator, then teleport back to the village so they can try to work out where you are along the coastline. Then teleport them back to Torturer's Deep and task them with sailing to the village with all haste. Give both the captain/navigator and the villagers a password so the villagers don't get tricked by pirates.
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It's Sorcerer's Deep we've seen it called that in story and said it in character. Also we should just behead them instead of hanging. It takes less of our time and doesn't waste rope that the villagers could use. I doubt it would even be accounted for IC but its only the idea that needs to transfer to Viserys reasoning.
 
Goldfish said:
While I appreciate the clarification, it really changes nothing. The people are still likely to be murdered if the other lord finds out what happened to his men here. On top of that, these villagers have just lost most, if not all of their livelihood. There wasn't much of a safety net back in medieval times; poor peasants grew their food or they died of starvation. Westerosi nobility isn't known for being populated by decent human beings, nor charitable ones.

Realistically, most of the survivors have an unfortunate chance of starving to death or dying of diseases their weakened bodies could have otherwise fought off, if too much of their crops were lost here.
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Like said before though these people follow the Seven and therefore are likely to be very unwilling to go anywhere magic users are in charge, and not to mention we don't have the means to transport them reliably at all.

All we can do is tell them to go to their lord with the hostage and hopefully said lord to force the attacking one to do so no longer and pay a sizable amount to cover the damages done.

It's not perfect but it's the best we can reasonable do and we still have our own mission to complete we can't waste more time here than we have to.
 
Goldfish said:
Context. The villagers didn't deserve violation, destruction, or death. The attackers do. The mental calculus isn't complicated this time. Bad people who do bad things for bad reasons don't deserve mercy.
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If it was basically an attack it was business as usual. Of course, if the defenders are too strong ...


Massgamer said:
Like said before though these people follow the Seven and therefore are likely to be very unwilling to go anywhere magic users are in charge, and not to mention we don't have the means to transport them reliably at all.

All we can do is tell them to go to their lord with the hostage and hopefully said lord to force the attacking one to do so no longer and pay a sizable amount to cover the damages done.

It's not perfect but it's the best we can reasonable do and we still have our own mission to complete we can't waste more time here than we have to.
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That's why we were talking about organizing one of our ships to transport them.
 
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Massgamer said:
Like said before though these people follow the Seven and therefore are likely to be very unwilling to go anywhere magic users are in charge, and not to mention we don't have the means to transport them reliably at all.

All we can do is tell them to go to their lord with the hostage and hopefully said lord to force the attacking one to do so no longer and pay a sizable amount to cover the damages done.

It's not perfect but it's the best we can reasonable do and we still have our own mission to complete we can't waste more time here than we have to.
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DP already said that it would not even take a diplomacy check to take them with us, we are the best thing to ever happen to them in terms of lordship.
 
Massgamer said:
Like said before though these people follow the Seven and therefore are likely to be very unwilling to go anywhere magic users are in charge, and not to mention we don't have the means to transport them reliably at all.

All we can do is tell them to go to their lord with the hostage and hopefully said lord to force the attacking one to do so no longer and pay a sizable amount to cover the damages done.

It's not perfect but it's the best we can reasonable do and we still have our own mission to complete we can't waste more time here than we have to.
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DragonParadox said:
Honestly that would be so easy I would not even roll diplomacy. These are Westerosi smallfolk, they are used to following "suggestions" and you have done them more good than any other noble they have ever seen.
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Edit: D-D-D-D-Double Faceless'd
 
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Alright fine I will admit from wrong there but we still don't have a good way to transport them and we can't waste time on them when we have to deal with the Mindflayers causing trouble elsewhere.
 
das_slash said:
the current plan is to teleport to SD and send a ship to pick them up while we do our business.
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I see so many ways how that can go wrong. Where they heck are they suppose to pick them up? When will it come? How will they survive till then?

Also did everyone forget about the magic ship captained by the Ironborn that is in the way of any ship heading in this direction?

Why is the only solution people can see be to take to these people to SD and not anything else?
 
Mormont said:
Did you not mean to use Richard or Guyard Morrigen? Those are the younger brothers, and heirs, of Lord Lester Morrigen, the Lord of Crow's Nest in cannon. Or has our actions butterflied things so far that it's a different branch of the family in charge now? Or is our sense motive so bad we can't tell he's lieing about names now?

[j/k] Fly to Crow's nest and steal the castle, Saltcliff could do with better fortifications.
-[j/k] Threaten to eat Nestor Morrigen if he resists


[X] Duesal​
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Wait... they actually have names in canon? I'll fix that.
 
Massgamer said:
Why is the only solution people can see be to take to these people to SD and not anything else?
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Because as soon as we're not around and anyone interested in what happened in their village demands to know, with the threat of violence backing that request, or just dangles a few silver coins under their nose, they'll give a blow-by-blow account of our actions and abilities displayed. Of course, there's also the possibility of plain old rumors spreading through the countryside; eventually, that kind of weirdness would probably make its way to Varys.
 
[X] Duesal

Duesal said:
Currently stuck mowing my lawn, so I'll be indisposed for a bit.
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You, too, huh? I'm about to go take care of mine as well. I swear, one day I'm going to move to a place where it's acceptable to just have a gravel covered yard, maybe with a few nice cacti.
 
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[X] Duesal

I also want to go kill the lord who sent these guys and loot his castle, but I can live without doing that.

Still think we should do that while in disguise.
 
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