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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Wiggy said:
Man, some people really seem against taking on any commitments that aren't ultimately self sufficient. Sheepfief, the dwarves, even the library at this point really, and most of our other connections can mostly take care of themselves without Mathilde there if they needed to, and people really don't seem to want to take on any larger responsibility to a group that a noble title of any kind would grant her that she couldn't just walk away from if she got bored. Even the potentially time limited Supreme Matriarch role gets a lot of folks up in arms.
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We haven't finished with the Waystones or looked at what the options are for what we do next, why should we ask for a life-long commitment of becoming an Elector-Count?
 
Wiggy said:
Man, some people really seem against taking on any commitments that aren't ultimately self sufficient. Sheepfief, the dwarves, even the library at this point really, and most of our other connections can mostly take care of themselves without Mathilde there if they needed to, and people really don't seem to want to take on any larger responsibility to a group that a noble title of any kind would grant her that she couldn't just walk away from if she got bored. Even the potentially time limited Supreme Matriarch role gets a lot of folks up in arms.
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For me it's that there are a lot of ruler quests on this site, there is only one Mathilde quest.
 
shepsquared said:
We haven't finished with the Waystones or looked at what the options are for what we do next, why should we ask for a life-long commitment of becoming an Elector-Count?
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For me, the main draw of the Elector Countess pick is threefold:

First, we commit to a logical next step of the Waystone Project with the objective of reclaiming nexuses in the Empire.
Secondly, it suggests that our next major arc will be another campaign and adventure, a welcome shift in tone from the research-heavy Waystone Project arc.
Thirdly, if we somehow succeed, we get to have a voice in picking the next Emperor and scheme with Roswita or Heidi on how to influence that.
 
ReImagined said:
For me, the main draw of the Elector Countess pick is threefold:

First, we commit to a logical next step of the Waystone Project with the objective of reclaiming nexuses in the Empire.
Secondly, it suggests that our next major arc will be another campaign and adventure, a welcome shift in tone from the research-heavy Waystone Project arc.
Thirdly, if we somehow succeed, we get to have a voice in picking the next Emperor and scheme with Roswita or Heidi on how to influence that.
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  1. The Empire is quite willing to reclaim nexuses without Mathilde becoming EC
  2. Can't argue with personal preference
  3. This I can argue with on the other hand, we do not know what the timeline is on retaking the Forest of Shadows and if Lutipold would live that long. That seems like a very long term commitment to hang on the Emperor's longevity. He could die tomorrow and then it will be half a cetury before the next election
 
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
[X] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
[X] Elector-Countess

Armor's my actual real preference, Pickle Requests has enough interesting bits and bobs to be worth an approval vote, and the quest coming absolute full circle from advising an Elector Count to being an Elector Count sounds hilarious.
 
Valmond said:
Flying boat.
The very idea that Empire is capable of making flying warships would worry Marienburg.
Also making the Empire aware that, hey, we could make flying warships, is definitely worth doing.
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Fooger is going to laugh when he hears that people think someone copying Fozzrick is going to threaten Marienburg. And then harrumph when some 50 year old human panics and tries to sabotage said ship.
 
Valmond said:
Flying boat.
The very idea that Empire is capable of making flying warships would worry Marienburg.
Also making the Empire aware that, hey, we could make flying warships, is definitely worth doing.
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*Empire makes flying ship*
Marienburg Wizard: Don't worry Her Burgomaster, there is no way they can make more of them, such magical expertise hasn't been seen since the Golden Age of the Ancients
Directorate Diplomat: The New Waystones, developed in cooperation with the Elves of Laurelorn and the Dwarfs of the Karaz Ankor are being deployed throughout the Old World
Her Burgomaster*starting to look a little green*: I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
Directorate Diplomat: The owner of the first flying ship is one Mathilde Weber, head of the Waystone Project.
:V
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. The Empire is quite willing to reclaim nexuses without Mathilde becoming EC
  2. Can't argue with personal preference
  3. This I can argue with on the other hand, we do not know what the timeline is on retaking the Forest of Shadows and if Lutipold would live that long. That seems like a very long term commitment to hang on the Emperor's longevity. He could die tomorrow and then it will be half a cetury before the next election
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1. My claim is that the proposed EC path is one way to commit to reclaiming nexuses as the next goal, and therefore that's a reason to support it. It's not a claim that it's the only way to commit to reclaiming nexuses. It's very true that we don't need to become EC to reclaim nexuses, in the same way that you don't need to drink tea to hydrate. That doesn't mean you can't support drinking tea as a way to hydrate, or becoming EC as a path to reclaiming nexuses.
2. I'm assuming that the thread is eager for more adventure in general, given the amount of vocal support for elfcation.
3. Consider all of the details that would object to such an occurrence happening under 'if we somehow succeed' to include that. Maybe 'if the stars align' or somesuch would've been better wording.
 
It's less that I'm against adventure and more it's tying us to a specific path for the foreseeable future all the way up to potentially the end of Mathilde's life with a good deal of sunk cost involved (this is a pretty big favor).
 
ReImagined said:
1. My claim is that the proposed EC path is one way to commit to reclaiming nexuses as the next goal, and therefore that's a reason to support it. It's not a claim that it's the only way to commit to reclaiming nexuses. It's very true that we don't need to become EC to reclaim nexuses, in the same way that you don't need to drink tea to hydrate. That doesn't mean you can't support drinking tea as a way to hydrate, or becoming EC as a path to reclaiming nexuses.
2. I'm assuming that the thread is eager for more adventure in general, given the amount of vocal support for elfcation.
3. Consider all of the details that would object to such an occurrence happening under 'if we somehow succeed' to include that. Maybe 'if the stars align' or somesuch would've been better wording.
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Fair enough. I'd argue that adventure in general can be had in many ways without all the issues that being a leader in the Empire will bring, starting with the fact that we still have Disdain for Sigmar, we'd either have to pay a trait advancement (if that is even available after this arc) or deal with this...

Disdain for Sigmar: Abelhelm Van Hal died abandoned by Sigmar. You intend to return the favour. +1 Piety due to renewed faith in other gods, will not let Sigmarism flourish in institutions she controls - penalty to institutional actions unless worship of another god is instituted.
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...as a would be Elector Count in the Empire.
 
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Wiggy said:
Man, some people really seem against taking on any commitments that aren't ultimately self sufficient.
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I'm mostly more down on it because it's specifically a leadership commitment we've got zero emotional attachment to and I don't want to get that sort of commitment for the mere sake of having that sort of commitment, in contrast happily voting for Markgraf of Eastern Stirland back in that vote, but uh, so what?

What's wrong with that even if people do have this unwillingness. If her nominal ability to just go do something else is something people enjoy out of the quest why should they have some obligation to vote to change that aspect of the quest?
 
shepsquared said:
We haven't finished with the Waystones or looked at what the options are for what we do next, why should we ask for a life-long commitment of becoming an Elector-Count?
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The rulership itself doesn't attract me but it wouldn't really start for two more realtime yearsl. I would really enjoy carving a county in Forest of Shadows, and then I'd prefer to find a way to abdicate or delegate.
 
DragonParadox said:
Fair enough. I'd argue that adventure in general can be had in many ways without all the issues that being a leader in the Empire will bring, starting with the fact that we still have Disdain for Sigmar, we'd either have to pay a trait advancement (if that is even available after this arc) or deal with this...



...as a would be Elector Count in the Empire.
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I agree that there are many possible adventures to be had, each with their own circumstances and drawbacks.

I don't think an Elector Count of the Empire controls the Empire as an institution, they control their individual province. So we'd indeed not want to let Sigmarism florish in the Schattenwald, or the army that goes to reclaim it, but we already have a track record of not recruiting from Sigmarite groups for military support and I believe the area's said to be largely populated by Hedgewise, so it would depend on if the people there are Sigmarites and want to institute His worship.

Come to think of it, that trait probably does mean that we'd want to vote against everything that the Grand Theogonist votes for, but I think we'd be doing that anyways given the relations between the Sigmarites and the Colleges.
 
[X] Armor of von Tarnus
[X] Plan Pickle Requests mk IV
[X] Plan Not Pickle Requests Variant with Apparitions
 
ReImagined said:
I agree that there are many possible adventures to be had, each with their own circumstances and drawbacks.

I don't think an Elector Count of the Empire controls the Empire as an institution, they control their individual province. So we'd indeed not want to let Sigmarism florish in the Schattenwald, or the army that goes to reclaim it, but we already have a track record of not recruiting from Sigmarite groups for military support and I believe the area's said to be largely populated by Hedgewise, so it would depend on if the people there are Sigmarites and want to institute His worship.

Come to think of it, that trait probably does mean that we'd want to vote against everything that the Grand Theogonist votes for, but I think we'd be doing that anyways given the relations between the Sigmarites and the Colleges.
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The Cult of Sigmar and the Witch Hunters would be operating in the province and they sure as hell would try to flourish. Mathilde would be obligated to counter them at every turn or suffer penalties. That is likely to be noticed and cause issues.
 
I can't say that I'm terribly thrilled that the reward vote for the AV line of development has turned into a stealth "pick the next arc(s)" vote, from the airship and flying tower to the elector-countess.
 
[X] Plan: The Prismatic Wanderer

[X] Armor of von Tarnus

[X] Dispensation to study methods of destroying or beneficially transforming Dhar. 'I have seen Dwarven Rune magic that can burn Dhar into nothing or smash it into aspectless rune power, Qhaysh that can unravel Dhar, and the slow transformation under specific circumstances of Dhar into aspectless Earthbound magic, but have been unable to study them lest I fall afoul of the Articles. I would wish to study these and similar things I encounter (though taking care to not impinge upon Dwarven Runepriest secrets) in order to develop a form of destruction or beneficial transformation of Dhar that the Colleges of Magic can use.'
 
[X] Plan: The Prismatic Wanderer

The armor of Von Taurus is sweet, but frankly a flying ship is far sweeter, and the armor already exists, even if Mathilde wont be using it, whereas the ship would be the creation of something wholly new
 
DragonParadox said:
The Cult of Sigmar and the Witch Hunters would be operating in the province and they sure as hell would try to flourish. Mathilde would be obligated to counter them at every turn or suffer penalties. That is likely to be noticed and cause issues.
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There are Ulrican witch hunter organizations in Middenland and Taalite witch hunter organizations in Talabecland, so I'm pretty sure we'd have the opportunity to try asking for support from them or similar organziations, or creating our own group that isn't Sigmar aligned but still respected.
 
ReImagined said:
There are Ulrican witch hunter organizations in Middenland and Taalite witch hunter organizations in Talabecland, so I'm pretty sure we'd have the opportunity to try asking for support from them or similar organziations, or creating our own group that isn't Sigmar aligned but still respected.
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Of course we would, but the Templars would still show up. Us stopping them (or trying to at least) would itself be a scandal. 'Wizard opposes cult of Man God ministering to the souls of the Faithful'
 
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