Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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The research action has the wrong ship name. Aside from that i would prefer a direct approach to Aerithon, assuming the quickly brought up defences can only delay the eldar.

OOC we need to roll for the defence. There is a chance that the reactivation may fail entirely.
 
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[] Plan: Ware the Ancient
-[] Pin them in
-[] Call Aerithon and walk their engineers through activating the defenses at speed
-[] Call the Eldar in their language, introduce yourself as an ancient and ask them to state their purpose. You'd love to have someone reasonable to trade with. You will be disappointed if it's raiding.
-[] Delay departure by 1 action and build:
--[] Bigger (and Sharper) Crash Research and Build
---[] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
---[] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)

Ship Name fixed, added trade opportunity.

I don't think we are fast enough to stop them even with the defenses? Which are not guaranteed, merely a dice roll of unknown DC.
What do others think about that. Pin or Rush?
 
Pin is all or nothing gambit against an unknown, but presumably possible DC. We either pin them or they slip passed us.

Rush is guaranteed to have an impact, the roll determines how much. Granted without knowing their objective we don't know how much time they need.

I'm in favor of rushing.
 
TonedMite said:
Is the latter part stated outright, implied, or left unsaid?
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stated, I think. Clarified.

[] Plan: Ware the Ancient
-[] Pin them in
-[] Call Aerithon and walk their engineers through activating the defenses at speed
-[] Call the Eldar in their language, introduce yourself as an ancient and ask them to state their purpose. You'd love to have someone reasonable to trade with. You will be disappointed if it's raiding, you tell them.
-[] Delay departure by 1 action and build:
--[] Bigger (and Sharper) Crash Research and Build
---[] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
---[] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)
 
DragonParadox said:
I doubt he would have purged the archives of footage of the Federation. After all what reason would he have had to do so?
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Alright that is possible. Now explain to me why Vect of all people would take the words of a Failed Drukhari Raid to check said archives. There is a difference between having the data and using it and while Vect is maybe old enough to have lived before the Fall, he was born in Commorragh as a slave so he wouldn't have had direct contact with the Federation of Man because of that.
 
Two plans, only difference is Pin vs Rush

Both try to talk them down, try to activate the defenses on the station in case that fails and either rush to the station to mitigate the damage or pin them in to recover anyone they took(and get some Eldar tech)

[x] Plan: Ware the Ancient Pin
-[x] Pin them in
-[x] Call the Eldar in their language, introduce yourself as an ancient and ask them to state their purpose. You'd love to have someone reasonable to trade with. You will be disappointed if it's raiding, you tell them.
-[x] Delay departure by 1 action and build:
--[x] Bigger (and Sharper) Crash Research and Build
---[x] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[x] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
---[x] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)

[x] Plan: Ware the Ancient Rush
-[x] Charge towards Aerithon
-[x] Call the Eldar in their language, introduce yourself as an ancient and ask them to state their purpose. You'd love to have someone reasonable to trade with. You will be disappointed if it's raiding, you tell them.
-[x] Delay departure by 1 action and build:
--[x] Bigger (and Sharper) Crash Research and Build
---[x] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[x] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
---[x] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)

My own vote for the old ship:
[X] Old Ship: Denva Secret
[X] Old Ship: Denva Public
 
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Dmol8 said:
Alright that is possible. Now explain to me why Vect of all people would take the words of a Failed Drukhari Raid to check said archives. There is a difference between having the data and using it and while Vect is maybe old enough to have lived before the Fall, he was born in Commorragh as a slave so he wouldn't have had direct contact with the Federation of Man because of that.
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I do not think they would have to go to Vect is the point, those files if they exist would be either available freely or traded freely 'historical raid M19' costs 12 Liquefied Screams, or whatever passes for currency in the Dark City. You get those you compare general tech level and sensor signatures you now have information that you can freely trade up the ladder so that's not a failed raid anymore.
 
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Given that we have something that might slow them down I'd prefer rush

[x] Plan: Ware the Ancient Rush

It looks more intimidating so it might help with the diplo roll and sending a message would rather compromise the sneaky nature of pin if eldar sensors do not do so already.
 
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Adapted the intent of Alectai's diplomacy write-in to something more compact in my own:
Alectai said:
Oh, right, a plan would be a good thing right now.

[ ] Plan: "We're all reasonable adults here, aren't we?"
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And copy-pasted the Candle's blueprint. Also, added a bit to getting Anexa and the tech-priest to handle activating the defenses, because I feel that might distract Vita from the negotiations if they happen. @Neablis is this fine?

However, looks like my plan doesn't differ that much form LightLan's "Plan: Ware the Ancient Rush" that was posted just now, which is just more compact and leaves the details of diplomacy more to Neablis. With that in mind, @LightLan? Might you be interested in adding delegating waking up the defenses to Anexa + tech-priests if it gets approval? Trying to do high-stakes negoations isn't a thing you want to split your attention too much, even for an AI like Vita.

Please do not use this plan yet, waiting for approval / maybe being adapted to an another existing plan:

[ ] Plan: This Will Be Edited So Many Times
-[ ] Charge towards Aerithon (Write in if you talk to them)
-[ ] Well, you didn't expect the Eldar to become raiders of all things. At least you think that is what is going on here. Might also be something to do with the Astartes visiting, with the Imperium's xenocidal tendencies. Hopefully diplomacy will help solving this issue before any blood is spilled, your tool for that being the trade-tongue you've built up from previous interactions with the Eldar. Open up communications with the (presumed) Eldar ship in with your sparse-yet-fluent (you think) understanding of the Eldar language. Send a message of non-hostility and openess to trade if they are in a need of something, instead of having to raid the station and come into conflict with you.
-[ ] Call Aerithon and walk their engineers through activating the defenses at speed. Anexa and tech-priest can hopefully help while you focus mostly on the negotiatons with the Eldar, if they answer back.
-[ ] Delay Exploration action for QM-approved sub-divided action (Research/Construction)
--[ ] 50 RP Research the Candle (below)
---[ ] Candle (1450 void BP, 1 ship construction slot) Destroyer, Hull 450 BP 1600x350 meters. 8 gravities of acceleration. Medium armor, Medium Shields. Living Space, Psychic Shields (100 BP) 2 Light Macrocannon batteries, 1 medium lance battery. High-maneuverability thrusters.
--[ ] Build 4 Candles (1450 * 4 = 5800 BP)
 
DragonParadox said:
I do not think they would have to go to Vect is the point, those files if they exist would be either available freely or traded freely 'historical raid M19' costs 12 Liquefied Screams, or whatever passes for currency in the Dark City. You get those you, compare general tech level and sensor signatures you now have information that you can freely trade up the ladder so that's not a failed raid anymore.
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Oh. OK yeah that works.

Also the most common form of currency in Commorragh is Soul Essence which is usually measured in slaves, but there are other methods of trading/using it. Mandrakes and Haemonculi are the ones who trade in weird shit like a heartbeat, a treasured memory, a true and secret name, a voice, a pride of an Imperial Governor, ect.
 
meianmaru said:
However, looks like my plan doesn't differ that much form LightLan's "Plan: Ware the Ancient Rush" that was posted just now, which is just more compact and leaves the details of diplomacy more to Neablis. With that in mind, @LightLan? Might you be interested in adding delegating waking up the defenses to Anexa + tech-priests if it gets approval? Trying to do high-stakes negoations isn't a thing you want to split your attention too much, even for an AI like Vita.
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I don't mind, as long as we can do that.

I suppose Anexa should have learned enough to be able to do that, though the tech-priest I doubt they have learned enough.
Maybe add Victan's help to the diplomacy? He is a Diplomat-Spy.

Also the voting time ends at ~4 am for me, so I won't be able to update anymore after another 5-6hours from now. Cause I'll be asleep.
 
LightLan said:
I suppose Anexa should have learned enough to be able to do that, though the tech-priest I doubt they have learned enough.
Maybe add Victan's help to the diplomacy? He is a Diplomat-Spy.
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This is Imperial tech which they are familiar with, and the tech-priest all have neural implants and should be able access relevant databases that Vita has. But even then I suspect they still can't match Vita, this just to make sure that she is not distracted from the diplomancing. Speaking of which, Victan will be almost 100% added to the action automatically based on how things went with the space marines if he has anything to add. So I didn't see the point to specify it.
 
[x] Plan: Ware the Ancient Rush

[x] Old Ship: W

Ok so definitely think W should get the ship honestly she'd probably use it as an excuse to stay out of everything except the most disruptive situations.
 
meianmaru said:
This is Imperial tech which they are familiar with, and the tech-priest all have neural implants and should be able access relevant databases that Vita has. But even then I suspect they still can't match Vita, this just to make sure that she is not distracted from the diplomancing. Speaking of which, Victan will be almost 100% added to the action automatically based on how things went with the space marines if he has anything to add. So I didn't see the point to specify it.
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