Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest

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Now that the vote is open: my original post with notes about the reasoning and links to the relevant posts, including Alectai's original plan, in the following reply:
meianmaru said:
[] Plan: You can't take the sky from me!
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And the plan-vote, plus my personal vote for the separate vote on the genetics at the bottom. Final edit was for giving a name for the unification. Remember to use the correct format for the latter from the update:

[X] Plan: You can't take the sky from me!
-[X] Explore: Ascalon (final action on the turn)
--[X][FREE] They can have it (+1 Boon, we're getting OMC Manufacturing this turn)
-[X] Construction (8,350 BP)
--[X] Auto-repair damaged Shields (Budget of 1,000 VBP to handle shield repairs)
--[X] Flagship Refits:
---[X] Drop 3x Manufactories, Captive Holding Cells. Build The Oubliette (Or, the Bongo Containment Zone), 4 Slots, Up to 8,100 BP for 540/540 HP. Move the Scrapcode Generator there after Further Scrapcode Research is complete.
---[X] All BP freed up from the Oubliette should be distributed in this order. 1) Nesting a shield around the Vault to further protect it against a Bongo Breakout during the research. 2) Nested compartmentalized shielding inside the Flagship, prioritizing critical facilities like Vita's brain and the crew quarters.
-[X] Research x2 (400 + 60 Anexa RP)
--[X] Industrial Organic-Machine Control (90 + 60 Anexa RP)
--[X] Efficient Psychic Shielding (100 RP)
--[X] Scrapcode Resistant Shielding (100 RP)
--[X] Further Scrapcode Research (100 RP)
--[X] Okay, maybe there's a point to medical school (+10, 30/50 RP)
-[X][ANEXA] Active: Research (I-OMC)
-[X][VICTAN] Passive: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[X][CIA] Passive Psyker improvement
-[X][DENVA] Boons!
--[X] Denva #1: Unification: The Stellar Ascendancy. "Be for others as I have been for you."
--[X] Denva #2: Manufacturing Capacity
--[X] Denva #3: Crew: Tech-priests under Anexa

Do you share the genetics technology with Denva? (Separate from plan vote)
[X] Yes
 
[X] Plan: You can't take the sky from me!

Do you share the genetics technology with Denva? (Separate from plan vote)
[X] Yes
 
[X] Plan: You can't take the sky from me!

Sounds reasonable, which is to say maximally paranoid and over-prepared as one should be when dealing with Chaos. I do think that daemonology is very important to us. Necrons, Nyds Orks etc... they are only a danger when we encounter them, but Chaos is a danger every time we warp jump.

[X] Yes
 
I'm gonna be real. I hate all these plans that tell Denva to focus on manufacturing. Sure, while we're on the move, we're not gonna be researching it, but at the same time, it's something that I'd expect Denva to focus on anyway. Maybe instead, have them focus on starship construction, but just manufacturing is worth nothing without a reason to use it.

Giving them a challenge of "Can you design and build this amazing thing?" would work better. Not to mention, without an exceptional goal, they'd probably pump out infantry equipment and tanks, nothing special beyond quality and quantity. Even then, a hive world would beat out Denva's quantity for the next 300 years, never mind all the other factions.

The vote opened as I was typing this

[X]Bye Denva see you in 20(ish) years
-[X] 2xReaserch 400RP
--[X] Blueprint
Spoiler: 100 RP Assembler Factory Ship (2,925 BP, 100 CP), Frigate,
= (100RP) = (Complete 300RP left)
--[X] Abacus Manufacturing (100 RP) = (Complete 200RP left)
--[X] Industrial Organic-Machine Control (150RP - 60 Anexa RP) = (Complete 110RP Left)
--[X] Further Scrapcode Research (100 RP) = (complete 10RP left)
--[X] Okay, maybe there's a point to medical school (20/50 RP) = (+10, 30/50 RP)
-[X] construction
--[X] repair bay (1000 RBP)
---[X] Psy shields (-100 RBP)
--[X] Flagship Refits: 2,300BP, 200CP -100 BP cap
---[X] Drop 2x Manufactories, 1x Captive Holding Cells.500 BP, 100CP Warp Research Lab 3 Slots build use 1800BP for 180 Psy shield
--[X]2x Assembler Factory Ship cost: 5,850 BP –200CP +200BP cap
--[X] Upgrade
---[X] 26 Ground manufactories into Machine Spirit Manufactory cost: 520 BP, +780CP
-[X] Explore: Ascalon
-[X] Anexa active Action: Research Industrial Organic-Machine Control
-[X] Victan passive action: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[X] Cia Passive Psyker improvement
-[X] Denva: Technology Request: Walkers This is a path that you know exists and one that would be an amazing force multiplier for both yourself and Denva due to numbers you can field a small walker can be equipped with better void shields and heavier weapons than anything heavy tanks can handle on top of that a walker can handle rougher terrain (also as Anexa reminds you AI is called Abominable intelligence and the Men of Iron are figures of terror so maybe Denva not having armies of combat robots would be a smarter Idea)
-[X] Denva: Crew: Tech-priests more hands to handle research or even just a dedicated team for turning ideas into functioning blueprints anything to handle the slog that is currently drowning you and Anexa
-[X]scrapcode: destroy. It's time for the useful pain in your processers to go and get the worst sunburn in the galaxy


Do you share the genetics technology with Denva? (Separate from plan vote)
[X] Yes


michaell8000 said:
[ ]Bye Denva see you in 20(ish) years
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so I typed all my reasons out earlier and I haven't changed my opinion I want Denva making Walkers I don't think it's worth taking Bongo through the warp and some more BP on the move could be a massive improvement.
 
[X] Plan: Take the skies with science!
-[X] Explore: Ascalon (final action on the turn)
--[X][FREE] They can have it (+1 Boon, we're getting OMC Manufacturing this turn)
-[X] Construction (8,350 BP)
--[X] Auto-repair damaged Shields (Budget of 1,000 VBP to handle shield repairs)
--[X] Flagship Refits:
---[X] Drop 3x Manufactories, Captive Holding Cells. Build The Oubliette (Or, the Bongo Containment Zone), 4 Slots, Up to 8,100 BP for 540/540 HP. Move the Scrapcode Generator there after Further Scrapcode Research is complete.
---[X] All BP freed up from the Oubliette should be distributed in this order. 1) Nesting a shield around the Vault to further protect it against a Bongo Breakout during the research. 2) Nested compartmentalized shielding inside the Flagship, prioritizing critical facilities like Vita's brain and the crew quarters.
-[X] Research x2 (400 + 60 Anexa RP)
--[X] Industrial Organic-Machine Control (90 + 60 Anexa RP)
--[X] Efficient Psychic Shielding (100 RP)
--[X] Scrapcode Resistant Shielding (100 RP)
--[X] Further Scrapcode Research (100 RP)
--[X] Okay, maybe there's a point to medical school (+10, 30/50 RP)
-[X][ANEXA] Active: Research (I-OMC)
-[X][VICTAN] Passive: Counterespionage & Alliance-building
-[X][CIA] Passive Psyker improvement
-[X][DENVA] Boons!
--[X] Denva #1: Unification. Name: Denvan Unified Society. Ethos: "No Gods, No Masters: suffer no Kings among you."
--[X] Denva #2: Manufacturing Capacity
--[X] Denva #3: Technology (Manufacturing)

Do you share the genetics technology with Denva? (Separate from plan vote)
[X] Yes

This is based on "You can't take the skies from me!", but includes:
* the research request, which will virtually add RP (a resource we have in very limited quantities)
** with manufacturing tech, which synergises with the production request and links to machine spirit/automation, to bootstrap their development
* the anarchist unification philosophy, which should help steer Denva away from becoming the imperium and also start an ethos that might help avoid cults.
 
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[X] Plan: You can't take the sky from me!
[X] Yes

Im fine taking bongo on the roadtrip
 
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Assuming i understood correctly, we could drop a shuttle, and 200 BP of the repair bay, and we release the same space as we would by removing the 3 manufactories, without losing Build Capacity.

We literally have no reason to drop manufactories instead of the extra shuttle, a single shuttle already is enough for 5 times the amount of manufactories we have.

70 BP is not even enough to build a ground manufactory in a single turn, why are we dropping manufactories?

Going from 1000 BP Repair Bay to 800 means that, it would take 15 instead of 12 turns to fully repair our ship from almost a wreck, but we can get to 300 BP in 3 turns, if we do only one construction action.
 
AltF4152 said:
Assuming i understood correctly, we could drop a shuttle, and 200 BP of the repair bay, and we release the same space as we would by removing the 3 manufactories, without losing Build Capacity.

We literally have no reason to drop manufactories instead of the extra shuttle, a single shuttle already is enough for 5 times the amount of manufactories we have.

70 BP is not even enough to build a ground manufactory in a single turn, why are we dropping manufactories?

Going from 1000 BP Repair Bay to 800 means that, it would take 15 instead of 12 turns to fully repair our ship from almost a wreck, but we can get to 300 BP in 3 turns, if we do only one construction action.
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Bit late in the game to make such proposals. Intriguing, though. I wonder...
 
armentho said:
Im fine taking bongo on the roadtrip
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Hang on - while I'm all for taking Bongo on Vita's Wild Ride, based on your prior memes I thought you were adamantly opposed to it - I think Bongo may have hacked borrowed your account! :V

Although in all due seriousness (if you don't mind me asking), what changed your mind?
 
[X] Plan: Take the skies with science!

[x] Plan: Foundation for Further Uplift (Without Bongo)

Do you share the genetics technology with Denva? (Separate from plan vote)
[X] No
 
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Negentropy said:
Hang on - while I'm all for taking Bongo on Vita's Wild Ride, based on your prior memes I thought you were adamantly opposed to it - I think Bongo may have hacked borrowed your account! :V

Although in all due seriousness (if you don't mind me asking), what changed your mind?
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Never changed my mind

I consider bongo as a vaccine if sorts,a lesser evil to develop defenses against the higher ones

The point i consider bongo outlives his usefulness are either

>major breach: aka bongo mass corrupts something
>our warp tech is advanced enough we can either captured or summon & bind deamons for experimentation porpuses (bongo no longer unique and hard to adquire)

In the future i wanna do integration of machine spirits into psy shields,scrapcode resistant shields, and AI personality change checking

That should suffice to study chaos stuff safe-ish
 
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Haganeko said:
Bit late in the game to make such proposals. Intriguing, though. I wonder...
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Last i checked, all the plans that removed manufactories also did a research that would give more BP to ship manufactories, enough that it would be capable of building a ground manufactory in one action, so it didn't matter much, and i hadn't looked at the new ship space rules.

Now, looking at the plans, they are not doing that anymore, and i have no idea why.
 
[X] Bye Denva see you in 20(ish) years
[x] Plan: Foundation for Further Uplift (Without Bongo)

[X] Yes

Bongo's time has come...to die. Or at least get out of our hair.
 
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armentho said:
In the future i wanna do integration of machine spirits into psy shields,scrapcode resistant shields, and AI personality change checking
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Good news! Of those three, Scrapcode resistant shields is in the research actions for this turn in the plan you've already voted for. Because it is probably for the best to get it immediately if we are taking Bongo with us on our ship, like in the collaborative plan between Alectai (main contributor/planner), Prime 2.0 (edits), ethos write-in (Negentropy) and me (final edits and posting).
 
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