Rin, you absolute fucking tragedy. Who told you dunking Saber in the mud was a good idea? Kirei?
Given how the story had gone for her prior, is there any reason to say it was a bad idea?

Aside from rin losing her girlfriend, but I feel like that can just be shelved in the general tragedy the duo experienced here
 
I really like this piece for being just the perfect encapsulation of the tragedy of Saber and the Grail War itself.

The War chews people up and spits them out hurt and diminished, its built around the idea of turning people into tools as its core conceit via the Servants, dehumanizing legends of the past into weapons for Magus's to kill each other with. The Prize is cursed and can't give anyone what they want but the for sake of pride or conviction or just sociopathic amusement the Masters kill and burn and break the world to try to claim it.

Rin in this story is fascinating in a tragic way because we get to see what happens when she's not the protagonist's love interest/someone in the main characters social circle. She's a magus and wants to live up to that ideal even as she has no idea of just the sheer ugly depths that entails. B.B acting as a bad faith actor who weakens her and plays the role of devil on her shoulder whispering ideas that are designed to go wrong makes things worse but Rin at the end of the day could have walked away, she could have drawn a line in the sand and said no at any point but she didn't. She fed the Servant that cared for her, was truly loyal to her into a grail mud pit for power and then very much had buyers remorse when Saber Alter started killing innocent people.

Thematically the contrast between Saber in her regular state of mind, albeit a panicking betrayed Saber, and Saber Alter is so compelling and so wretched.

Saber tries so hard to be inhuman, to be this perfect thing, to be a tool for others betterment and like she's historically really good at doing that but its a role, a persona she puts on admittedly one she's so invested in she can't stop being like this barring exceptional circumstances. But she does have regrets, she does have remorse, she has baggage and drama and stuff she she viscerally feels strongly about even if she shoves that down and tries to disconnect from it.

Saber Alter is the dark irony of the Grail actually granting someone wish and fittingly for the Grail its a wish granted in the worst way possible. Saber wants- belivies she has to be perfect and inhuman, the Grail will make her inhuman only its not a shining matry on the cross kind of inhuman its the hate filled corpse that clawed its way out of the grave and is dead inside kind of inhuman. Saber Alter is everything the normal Saber tried to be, everything Mordred rebelled against brought to awful realization. She's Artoria without a soul and her being turned into this is a crime that Rin can't take back or make right.

I'm sad she didn't get to have a Darth Vader pulls of the helmet talk with Mordred, sad she got turned into hate filled corpse thing at all to be honest. But like I do enjoy the resonance that there is no happiness in Saber Alters end, her existence was a tragedy born of Rin going down to dark place and whatever Saber Alter tells herself she wasn't going to be the big bad of the story, wasn't going to make the War all about her, she's just going to fade away once the Master she no longer cares for dies.

A tragedy in that it plays out and there is no happy resolution. Very good writing.
 
Rin, you absolute fucking tragedy. Who told you dunking Saber in the mud was a good idea? Kirei?
Her Magus brain.
Well, that was brutal. Excellent trip through the labyrinth of personal expectations that is Sabers mind Erien. Keep up the good work.
Thank you. Poor girl remains my favorite.
I really like this piece for being just the perfect encapsulation of the tragedy of Saber and the Grail War itself.

The War chews people up and spits them out hurt and diminished, its built around the idea of turning people into tools as its core conceit via the Servants, dehumanizing legends of the past into weapons for Magus's to kill each other with. The Prize is cursed and can't give anyone what they want but the for sake of pride or conviction or just sociopathic amusement the Masters kill and burn and break the world to try to claim it.

Rin in this story is fascinating in a tragic way because we get to see what happens when she's not the protagonist's love interest/someone in the main characters social circle. She's a magus and wants to live up to that ideal even as she has no idea of just the sheer ugly depths that entails. B.B acting as a bad faith actor who weakens her and plays the role of devil on her shoulder whispering ideas that are designed to go wrong makes things worse but Rin at the end of the day could have walked away, she could have drawn a line in the sand and said no at any point but she didn't. She fed the Servant that cared for her, was truly loyal to her into a grail mud pit for power and then very much had buyers remorse when Saber Alter started killing innocent people.

Thematically the contrast between Saber in her regular state of mind, albeit a panicking betrayed Saber, and Saber Alter is so compelling and so wretched.

Saber tries so hard to be inhuman, to be this perfect thing, to be a tool for others betterment and like she's historically really good at doing that but its a role, a persona she puts on admittedly one she's so invested in she can't stop being like this barring exceptional circumstances. But she does have regrets, she does have remorse, she has baggage and drama and stuff she she viscerally feels strongly about even if she shoves that down and tries to disconnect from it.

Saber Alter is the dark irony of the Grail actually granting someone wish and fittingly for the Grail its a wish granted in the worst way possible. Saber wants- belivies she has to be perfect and inhuman, the Grail will make her inhuman only its not a shining matry on the cross kind of inhuman its the hate filled corpse that clawed its way out of the grave and is dead inside kind of inhuman. Saber Alter is everything the normal Saber tried to be, everything Mordred rebelled against brought to awful realization. She's Artoria without a soul and her being turned into this is a crime that Rin can't take back or make right.

I'm sad she didn't get to have a Darth Vader pulls of the helmet talk with Mordred, sad she got turned into hate filled corpse thing at all to be honest. But like I do enjoy the resonance that there is no happiness in Saber Alters end, her existence was a tragedy born of Rin going down to dark place and whatever Saber Alter tells herself she wasn't going to be the big bad of the story, wasn't going to make the War all about her, she's just going to fade away once the Master she no longer cares for dies.

A tragedy in that it plays out and there is no happy resolution. Very good writing.
Thanks for the writeup. And commissioning me!
 
In truth, Saber *is* my favorite character in the entire franchise, with Shirou in a narrow second place. When I first played the game, and I did start with the game back when I was around... 16? It was, admittedly, waifu. But honestly, the shell she builds around herself, her desire to not be King Arthur, while recognizing that she has to be. That play upon destiny, and what was taken from her, the sacrifice she made. She is, was, and will continue to be my favorite.
 
In truth, Saber *is* my favorite character in the entire franchise, with Shirou in a narrow second place. When I first played the game, and I did start with the game back when I was around... 16? It was, admittedly, waifu. But honestly, the shell she builds around herself, her desire to not be King Arthur, while recognizing that she has to be. That play upon destiny, and what was taken from her, the sacrifice she made. She is, was, and will continue to be my favorite.
My favorite is Mordred, so I have a deep, long standing grudge over the complete lack of alternates besides the summer Mordred that I don't count because a bikini is so not Mordred. They really should have gone full on surfer one piece body suit going from biceps to mid thigh. Would have been much more suitable to her personality and theme.

I also like Cu, and Moriarty.
 
I wonder what was going through Saber Alter's head when Rin got killed and she started to dissapear.

Like, did she lamented that Rin was dead? Sorrow for failing a second time to win the Grail? Disgust for being Alter?

And specially, when she looked at the maddened-version of her "son", who she wouldn't get to clash blades with one last time, what did she thought and felt...
 
It was thanks to Him, Her, and Rin's own pride/fear that brought her down, and what happened to Saber does parallel Rin's own fall.

To be Magus is to be beyond normal humanity. To sacrifice what you have for a chance at power and glory beyond glory. Rin did just that really, becoming inhumane and sacrificing Saber to make her more then her normal self. The problem is Rin has enough of a soul to see what that really meant, that such behavior does not care about humanity in any shape, and it will trample it all underfoot because it had the rudeness of impeding the progress she desired.

And it broke her heart.

But Rin couldn't turn away from the path she made. If she did, that'd mean admitting all of it was wrong. All her work and what she'd already sacrificed was wrong. And with Shirou's monsters breathing down her neck, there was no time to look away. A genuine pity it all went down that way.
 
Y'know, this whole Rin/B.B. tragedy feels like it's consistently missed the core of human decency that kept Tohsaka from fully committing to the Magus bit (and fucking up in a life-affirming way when she did against the other villainous Sakura). It also feels like it's running a B.B. that doesn't match the bugfuck whimsy of Pre-Hakuno(n) or the shit-eating grin niceness of the tamed F/GO version, most closely matching the generic badness of the extra boss version from the SE.RA.PH. rerun. This bothers me because I like both characters for the tension between presentation and actuality, and I like their inherent decency.

But it ultimately got to Saber Alter, who is the coolest, so on with the show I guess. :V
 
Y'know, this whole Rin/B.B. tragedy feels like it's consistently missed the core of human decency that kept Tohsaka from fully committing to the Magus bit (and fucking up in a life-affirming way when she did against the other villainous Sakura). It also feels like it's running a B.B. that doesn't match the bugfuck whimsy of Pre-Hakuno(n) or the shit-eating grin niceness of the tamed F/GO version, most closely matching the generic badness of the extra boss version from the SE.RA.PH. rerun. This bothers me because I like both characters for the tension between presentation and actuality, and I like their inherent decency.

But it ultimately got to Saber Alter, who is the coolest, so on with the show I guess. :V


part of then issue narrative wise for Rin is that because voters didn't vote for many interactions with her we don't see everything she did... we just see all the fallout. But thats just the nature of this narrative form.

BB ... idk never got that deep into fate lore.
 
I'm not much of a fate fan but even really good people make horrible decisions when they're pressured and isolated, especially if some fairy figure is whispering poison in their ears.
 
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Y'know, this whole Rin/B.B. tragedy feels like it's consistently missed the core of human decency that kept Tohsaka from fully committing to the Magus bit (and fucking up in a life-affirming way when she did against the other villainous Sakura). It also feels like it's running a B.B. that doesn't match the bugfuck whimsy of Pre-Hakuno(n) or the shit-eating grin niceness of the tamed F/GO version, most closely matching the generic badness of the extra boss version from the SE.RA.PH. rerun. This bothers me because I like both characters for the tension between presentation and actuality, and I like their inherent decency.

But it ultimately got to Saber Alter, who is the coolest, so on with the show I guess. :V
Sorry, thread didn't notify me of new posts.

Rin still has her humanity, she was also just terrified out of her mind. As for BB, no, as someone who has played Extra, I just see BB as someone evil. Slightly tragic perhaps, but evil. The fact that she wants to bone Hakuno does not make her any less of a villain in my eyes.

Rin has been abandoned/used by every lifeline she had in this story.
 
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Rin still has her humanity, she was also just terrified out of her mind. As for BB, no, as someone who has played Extra, I just see BB as someone evil. Slightly tragic perhaps, but evil. The fact that she wants to bone Hakuno does not make her any less of a villain in my eyes.

Rin has been abandoned/used by every lifeline she had in this story.
That's all fine and dandy for CCC BB, but if she hitched a ride off Gudako you're dealing with the GO rollable version, which is a BB that has undergone character development.

That's a pretty important distinction to make, IMO.

Say what you will about it, but an important narrative end to CCC is BB learning what love is supposed to be and that making her a better HAL9000, in contrast to Sessyoin's malignantly narcissistic love leading her to shove the world up her cooter.

E:
I know who you mean, but I'm still imagining Kirei wearing fairy wings, some fake antenna, and offering Rin a knife to stab Saber in the back.
That's the Heroic Spirit Strengthening Kit to you, buddy :V
 
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That's all fine and dandy for CCC BB, but if she hitched a ride off Gudako you're dealing with the GO rollable version, which is a BB that has undergone character development.
Wouldn't be fate without disagreements about characterization, glad you're enjoying the story in any case.
 
Outline for the next bit complete, as an FYI, tomboy lewds are happening, but don't expect something incredibly explicit. I'm not the best for smut, definitely more than you got with Circe though... and will be getting from Circe soon.

also Medea
 
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7.2 - Princesses and Tomboys New
[Ophelia]
A princess escaped from a tower.

Thanks to @Armoury for the beta!




(Ophelia POV)

Like many mages, you didn't much enjoy plane travel. You understood the theorems behind it, the science. At least… to a basic extent. But being around this much technology… it always made you feel rather powerless, like your life was outside of your control. Something could go wrong at any moment, and you'd be as powerless to stop it as just about any ordinary human. But then… you had made it onto the plane, which was something of a miracle regardless. You had expected to be chased, to be hounded out of the tower. But nothing had followed you, at least, nothing you or your servant could detect. Indeed, you had been the only thing to leave the tower now for a week, and…

That was seemingly all there was to it. But to pretend that would remain the case was beyond foolhardy. The being there, the being playing at being a fae, whatever it was. It wanted the grail, it wanted more power. And it was in a very good position to get it. But you were just one mage, and not an amazingly powerful one at that. The steward came by and you waved her on, you were too lost in your thoughts.

You had been lost in your thoughts for the past day of flying, the plane slowly inching ever closer to Japan and the ongoing grail war. There… there you would need to do something, you weren't sure what. But something. You've studied the grail wars, you knew what they were like. If any mages were still alive down there… it would be a surprise. If they were willing to work with you, that would be a miracle. Mages… so very rarely worked together, truly worked together.

You feel an invisible hand press against your shoulder, strong and comforting, and you close your eyes. No. No matter what you had to try. Even if it meant fighting alone. The Grail War had been going on now for a week, you'd be surprised if anyone was left. But you had a servant, and you had your abilities.

… That would have to be enough.

'Are you nervous?'

'... Yes'

'That is good, if you weren't I would have had to reprimand you. Trust in the Lord, and all will be well.'

'I am not Christian.'

'That can be fixed.'

You roll your eyes, turning your attention back to the window. From up here, Japan looked peaceful. You can only imagine the chaos below.



(Shirou POV)


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpNACxownMQ

"Shirou," Ayako groans beneath you, wriggling slightly as you press your weight against her. You pull back slightly, your eyes meeting. Her eyes were unfocused, her mouth was hanging open, every breath a pant. But a second later those same golden eyes look at you, slightly… accusatory. "Did you… learn that from the skinny one?"

Skinny o- "Circe?"

Ayako lets out a long breath, still panting, her chest rising and falling underneath the frilly magical-girl outfit. "She's dropped enough hints, did you fuck her?"

"... Would you believe me if I told you I did it to save her life?"

Ayako stares at you, saying nothing for a good few moments, then. "Annoyingly, yes."

"Sorry."

Ayako rolls her eyes, "not much point getting pissed about it, not like we had promise rings or some shit. I'm just annoyed we still haven't gone on a date."

You shift, still above Ayako on the bed. "Sorry."

"Stop saying sorry and get back to kissing me, dumbass." Her arms snake up around the back of your neck, and pull you back down once more, your lips meeting hers. You wouldn't begin to compare the two of them, that whole encounter with Circe was hazy to begin with. But Ayako was warm, no, burning hot, and you let out a gasp of surprise as she grabbed you by the shoulders and flipped you over onto the bed. She raised herself up, her crotch pressed against yours, her eyes boring into your own.

Then her gaze goes lower, hesitating for a moment, her eyes fixated on your shirt. Biting her lip she reaches down, pulling it up and over your head with enough force that her hand slaps against your nose. You let out a brief grunt of annoyance, but she doesn't apologize, or say… much of anything really. She's still sitting on your crotch, wide-eyed, taking in the sight of your chest. Her mouth was hanging ever-so-slightly open, and her hands hover over it for a moment before she places her hand directly onto your pecs.

"Shirts… shirts are banned in archery now."

"I think the principal would complain."

"... Only for you then, we'd get so many new members. Sakura would like it too." Ayako says, sounding rather distracted.

"I didn't join the Archery Club to be ogled."

Ayako says nothing, she's idly poking at your musculature, transfixed as she prods and moves it. Her eyes shimmer with delight and interest, and she leans down further, her ass rubbing against your growing erection as she does so. She leans down an inch away from your chest, still poking and prodding at it like a child with a new toy.

"Aya-"

"Quiet, studying."

She plants kisses down your neck to your chest, her hands roaming over your chest, your arms, your back. She traces the lines that make up your body with an increasing tempo and desperation, transfixed.

You stop holding back yourself, reaching for her dress you begin to… try and pull it off her. But there's roughly a thousand buttons. Ayako looks up, just briefly enough to realize what you are trying to do… and blushes. She draws in a breath, looking away… though her hands do not leave your chest all the while. She closes her eyes, then, with a shimmering golden light the dress is gone, replaced by… absolutely nothing. Ayako was toned, you had seen that just a few days prior when you had 'saved' her from Ruby. You had known that besides, glimpses you had gotten while doing clubwork, something you had never really thought about until recently. After all, you, of all people, didn't really… thoughts such as 'deserving it' or 'desiring it' go out the window, as Ayako turns her head back to look at you, her expression forced in such a state of neutrality in comparison to the blush on her face it is almost comical.

She wasn't anything like Sakura, or Rin, or Circe or Medea. Or any other girl or woman you had glimpsed in the past. She was muscled, not excessively so, but she had very little fat to her. Small breasts, a little less than a handful resting on her chest, jiggling with every breath. Her stomach was toned, with next to no fat of any kind, and you trail your eyes down to her crotch, she had shaved sin-

Her hands move down to cover her crotch, her cheeks a burning scarlet. Your eyes shot back up to her face, and found her glaring at you. "Why don't you get undressed then!?"

"I… can't with you sitting on my lap?" you offer.

Ayako blinks, then looks down to the fact she was indeed sitting on your crotch. She was indeed sitting on your crotch and was completely naked. She was indeed sitting on your crotch, completely naked, and you were making a tent in your pants.

She scoots to the side, still covering herself. Any embarrassment however is washed away by intrigue as she watches you pull down your own pants, underwear too, and slide them off and onto the floor. She stares at your revealed crotch, her cheeks somehow becoming redder, she doesn't move, she doesn't even seem to be breathing.



"Ayako, if this is going too fas-"

"N-no." Ayako says slowly. "I've just… never… seen one before…" She says quietly, staring at it. "You're the only boy I ever kissed too."

"Really?"

Her eyes flick to your face, but only for a moment. "I mean… I…" She closes her eyes. "Shirou, come on."

"Come on… what?"

"I'm not… Rin. Or Kane. I'm not exactly girly."

"You aren't?"

"Shirou?"

"Is this the part where I stop talking?"

Ayako leans down again, pressing herself against you. Then, gently, she presses her lips against your own. It's a nervous thing at first, chaste. Then she comes alive once more, her tongue sliding into your mouth, her hands moving to your chest. Your own hands move to her shoulders, then gingerly move down her sid-

You squeak involuntarily as her hands sneak down to grope your ass. Ayako pulls back a moment later, grinning. "Think I could ban pants too?"

"I do-"

"Rhetorical." Ayako says, then leans down to kiss you again.

You begin your own explorations, a moan coming down out Ayako's throat as your hand finds her breasts, and she leans back, staring at you while biting her lip. She wiggles in your lap, your cock rubbing against her ass as-

… "Ayako, I don't… have a condom."

Ayako blinks slowly, processing that, then scoots back so that your cock is pressed against her crotch. Her eyes flutter for a moment, and she lets out a breath, idly grinding herself against you before she regains her focus. "You…" she grinds herself again. "You think I had one in that fucking dress? We're probably gonna be dead tomorrow, so… just jam that fucking thing of yours in me."

You blink, staring up at her. "Are yo-"

"Just get on with it!" Ayako growls.

You grasp her by the hips, lift her up, and, 'get on with it'.



You lay there on the bed, panting. Your chest rises and falls rapidly, your muscles felt… pleasantly sore, far more sore than they had with Circe. But then, Circe had a good deal of magic 'aiding' the process. You were also fairly sure comparing one to the other was rather rude, and you were going to stop that now because you were fairly certain despite her claims to the contrary that Circe, could, in fact, read minds. Ayako fell against you, groaning, twitching slightly. She, like you, was covered in sweat and… other fluids, and, like you, was absolutely exhausted. The first time was a rushed, hurried thing, filled with awkwardness, the next… eight, and frankly you didn't know how she got the stamina, was far more intense. It had been a good two hours since you entered her room, and now… now you were both far too spent to go again.

"Get it out of your system?" you ask.

"I got a lot of yours into mine," Ayako says, groaning as she lays against your chest. She squirms there for a moment, not unlike a cat, before flipping over so that she's on her back, her head resting against your chest. Then, she lets out a groan. "We're going to die, you know that?"

"That's something I'm trying to avoid."

"No, you're trying to keep the rest of us from dying, it's your dumbass I'm worried about."

"Is this really what you want to be talking about right now Ayako?"

"The fuck else am I going to talk about, the weather?"

You sigh, staring up at the ceiling. "This is why nobody joins the archery club."

"... I'd kick your ass for that statement if I could move my arms."

You smile, slightly. "It's good to have aspirations."

"Are you saying I couldn't?"

"No, I'm saying you wouldn't want to. You apparently like my ass."



"Fair, but you're still an asshole." Then she places a hand on your chest. "...But you're my asshole."

You smile a touch wider, and open your mouth to spea-

*BANG*

Only for the door to open with all the force of a battering ram. Both you and Ayako jerk your heads to see… Leysritt entering the room with a mop and what appeared to be several cans of air freshener.

"The fuck are you doing in here!?" Ayako shrieks.

Leysritt, who had just put the mop to the floor, blinks and stares at Ayako. She tilts her head, ever so slowly. "Cleaning."

"Can't it wait!?"

"Not when the hallway smells like sex." Leysritt replies dully, then begins to wet the mop.

You, for your part, flee. Hurriedly dressing before scampering out of the room, though not before you have to endure glares from both Leysritt… and as you step out into the hallway, Sella. Red eyes bore into you, glaring. All the while you hear Ayako shouting about the sheets behind you. Briefly you look warily for Ruby… but see no immediate sign of her. You make your way down the hall, embarrassed… more than embarrassed. But enter your room, determined to at least take a bath before you have to meet with Circe and Medea… had you missed dinner? Probably. But Circe would happily fix tha-

"Finally!"

A chipper voice calls out,

Your eyes dart to the bed, where, sitting on the edge of it is Illya. Her legs kicking happily in the air as she grins at you. "Sella said you were busy so you had to skip the dinner, but now you have time to play!" she then frowns. "We're going to play right? You've been ignoring me in my own house!"

Your eyes shift to the clock where… you have half an hour before your training with Medea and Circe. You also rather desperately wanted to check up on Sakura before that, but…

You had, admittedly, been rather transfixed by your girlfri-

"Shirou!" Illya snaps.

You look back to her, to see your sister frowning. "You're not ignoring me right?"





[] [Family is more important]

[] [You have to check up on Sakura, then get to your training]
 
Please let me know what ya'll thought of that one! Was tricky figuring out that semi-lewd.
 
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