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Vox Vitae: Warhammer AI quest
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There's another aspect of recent discovery that has not been brought up. Since it is unlikely we will be able to escape the planet without being noticed and our cover is even less likely to survive that we are going to have to grind the local ad mech to dust. I do not necessarily mean killing them, but their full files and all institutional knowledge have to be purged lest some inquisitor trail us from here. I cannot overstate how dangerous that would be.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
IIRC, its locked behind the research into Imperial/AdMech tech that requires physical samples, the other half being first hacking into their systems (which we already have).
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While a reasonable concern, I fear that it is going to be impractical to achieve and especially considering that as the local iconoclast human polity already has more useful information on us than the AdMech - you'd basically have to successfully wipe all evidence of us from every data system and storage on the planet (and likely in the star system).
And even if you achieve that, the sudden perforation of new STC tech and machines as well as the oral history of how things dramatically changed on the planet after our awakening (even if our involvement if concealed to all but the highest levels of government and most trusted of agents, Inquistors could absolutely crack) will definitely suggest a DAoT vessel/crew/group was involved (which is more than enough reason to pursue us whether they know we are AI or not).
Things which could be a game changer for local quality of life none of us would want to deprive or hoard from the people to keep a lower profile (or destroy after providing on our way out to cover our tracks) - we would be just as bad, if not worse, as the local AdMech, hoarding and suppressing technology and knowledge which could save and transform countless live for our own interests and sense of security.
And anyway, even if we managed to do all that (and that's a big if which could be entirely upended by missing a singular airgapped, forgotten or lost computer/databank or even paper print out) the signs of such a vast and through coverup (which they would almost certainly be noticed by the sheer scale of absence and divergence in information, even with the most masterful manipulations) would almost certainly draw the attention (and suspicion) of the Inquistion in of itself. And how many other threats than an AI could have even the chance to completely and so blatantly wipe or alter the entire records of the most technologically savy/sophisticated group in the Imperium?
We are probably better off concealing our presence by hiding in plain sign amongst the enormous (for non-AI) masses of irrelevant information (for the purpose of finding and/or identifying us and/or our true nature), and by manipulating and back-dating AdMech records to hide and justify us as legitimate tech priests and even actions like technological uplift, records which wouldn't be expected to be entirely consistent due to the secrecy and factionalism endemic to the Machine Cult.
While there is still risk of discovery in doing so, the risks would be vastly less (and the job vastly easier) as we'd need to edit and create much less datawork to establish a reasonable cover to our presence which will likely stand up to casual scrutiny in a way an information blackout wouldn't.
They are going to know something is up, I just don't want them to know how we operate and what our capabilities are.
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Sure, but we are probably going to have more success obfuscating our operations and capabilities by posing as tech-priests (which can "handwave" a lot if our unusual tech and some of our behaviour), than by just suppressing as much evidence of our existence as possible.
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Reinforce and rearm: When you go to war, casualties are unavoidable and loss of equipment is to be expected. You'll have to dedicate some resources and time to recoup your losses. Cost varies depending on how many units you want to maintain. You can partially rebuild your army if more important things such as a manufactory or defenses need to be built first.
Reinforce and rearm: When you go to war, casualties are unavoidable and loss of equipment is to be expected. You'll have to dedicate some resources and time to recoup your losses. Cost varies depending on how many units you want to maintain. You can partially rebuild your army if more important things such as a manufactory or defenses need to be built first.
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If you honestly think we can just subvert the entire local AdMech in a reasonable timeframe into being more Iconoclastic without a fight, then you are woefully naive. They are still unanimously led by hidebound traditionalists and zealots that would rather horde all their tech and knowledge and kill anyone that gets in the way of their dominance.
Denva Secundus doesn't need the AdMech anyway. If anything, the Enclaves are holding them back b/c any attempt the nations here try to advance their tech gets smothered in the crib. And besides, we can very easily take over their role and be vastly better b/c we could freely share how to maintain and create all the tech in our databases.
As for your fears of them nuking everyone else if they get suddenly attacked by robots feels like you dooming to the point of being eye-roll worthy. Not once has @Neablis said that they were likely to do so even when his suggestion for a full on conventional war involved nukes getting thrown out and even if they did realize they were getting attacked by an AI, they know damn well that we would operate just as well if we were on a nuked-out hellhole since we only need raw material to start building up. If anything, they're more likely to blow themselves up with their nukes in an attempt at asset-denial than try an go scorched Earth.
Point is, conflict with them is inevitable and we are going to have to kill more than a few leaders with assassinations. This is 40k after all, if you aren't willing to go to war against someone who thinks you deserve to die for existing, you're already due for a grisly death in short time.
meianmaru
The Devourer of Fiction
After having thought about it for a bit, I don't really like this write-in. Because for all the philosophical and theological arguments... It is still essentially just straight out lying about Vita still being part of the AdMech, even if as a basically a straight out hidden (non-Chaos) Heretek who doesn't believe or care about the Omnissiah unless Omnissiah is proven to exist through a scientific method.
So even if she bought into this, we would still later on rip off the band-aid with "Oh yeah, I'm really an AI from the Dark Age of Technology, sorry for lying you about caring in any sense about your faith except to trying to make you stop in believing it."
Also, with my write-in, showing an existing crashed ship and records and Vita's origin from what we can at least claim to be from the Dark Age of Technology? I believe that would likely have a much greater impact, when compared to some grand theological argument trying to convince Anexa that her whole faith is wrong. And is, maybe even more importantly, something that moves her closer towards the truth about Vita being an AI.
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If they realized you were an AI and they had a planet-cracker they'd use it. So they might try to sterilize Denva Secundus just to deny you agents and resources.
The Mechanicus are petty like that.
Right, so in the spirit of the Quest philosophy, I wanted to give you both my interpretation of your write-ins, just so we're clear how I'll interpret each. This isn't to say which one I like more, just to tell you my reading.
This is a moderated "go for it" plan. A good roll will fully convert Anexa to your cause in this turn. A mediocre roll would still take her down the path, and a poor roll would probably leave her troubled and require more effort to rescue from internal conflict. On a failed roll you'd probably need to use the cells.
This is a cautious plan. You take less risk but also stand to gain less because the write-in doesn't have a path towards telling her the truth. This plan is much more likely to require you to spend another action converting Anexa next turn, but also less likely (only on an actual 1) would you need to use the cells. Basically just a narrower probability distribution around the expected result.
Eh. Sounds complicated. I might allow you to stockpile "reinforcement BP" that will allow you to automatically repair that much BP in damage to your troops. But you could also just... build more troops. Though I suppose you don't know how to mothball things yet. That's tech will unlock once you get closer to your command cap.
Is that a serious worry? This isn't imperial space anymore. Any Inquisitior is likely to be doing their best to prop up an Imperial Successor state that's desperately trying to hold off enemies on all fronts (because they made most of those enemies, but still.) It's not impossible, but I think you're underestimating how many things a hypothetical inquisitor would be worrying about.
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