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So durins quest and herocookies quest dont count? Sry but they are by far the biggest quests on the site, with some others and most shy away from playing into the grim dark stuff The quests i have seen are always neutral or well good aligned; no in between, you dont get to play as a normal polite in warhammer 40K that just tries to survive. I dont know if its the nature of quests but almost always you never play the ''bad'' guys so please i like the plans but dont make your plan sound like it hasn't been done befor.
 
So durins quest and herocookies quest dont count? Sry but they are by far the biggest quests on the site, with some others and most shy away from playing into the grim dark stuff The quests i have seen are always neutral or well good aligned; no in between, you dont get to play as a normal polite in warhammer 40K that just tries to survive. I dont know if its the nature of quests but almost always you never play the ''bad'' guys so please i like the plans but dont make your plan sound like it hasn't been done befor.

Cooky's is extremely small scale, not even being a full Sector out of thousands, and I'm not sure I'd call Durin's a "Make the setting better". It's slowly gotten there over the course of literally years of play, but it's still a place where megadeaths just kind of happen from day to day business, unless that's changed since I stopped following it.

Two quests does not make for overload, especially when I can name several that are either "Numbers go up" or "Shit Just Sucks and your job is to buy time and hope it matters".
 
Adhoc vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 15, 2024 at 3:37 PM, finished with 155 posts and 116 votes.
Lads, I think the vote tally is borked. There is no way I went from ~20 Votes to 70 in...2 hours?

Edit: Yeah, I've checked. Many of the votes counted for Overtime are for anything but Overtime.
 
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Cooky's is extremely small scale, not even being a full sector out of thousands, and I'm not sure I'd call Durin's a "Make the setting better.". It's slowly gotten there over the course of literally years of play, but it's still a place where megadeaths just kind of happen from day to day business, unless that's changed since I stopped following it.

Two quests does not make for overload, especially when I can name several that are either "Numbers go up" or "Shit Just Sucks, and your job is to buy time and hope it matters.".
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
The Lost Primarch Quest
A Song Of Peace: Imperial Regent Quest [40k]
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
An Extra Primarch

Do i have to search more? This are all the quests that play as a good faction in the warhammer 40K universe and they are not just a sector; furthermore, you are talking about a galaxy-spanning multi-race conflict Of course, there will be millions dying; Even if there was peace, millions would still die in the galaxy so yeah its not uniuqe done befor dont understand me wrong but i want something different sometimes.

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Adhoc vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 15, 2024 at 3:37 PM, finished with 155 posts and 116 votes.
Lads, I think the vote tally is borked. There is no way I went from ~20 Votes to 70 in...2 hours?
Effctive propaganda :V
 
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So durins quest and herocookies quest dont count? Sry but they are by far the biggest quests on the site, with some others and most shy away from playing into the grim dark stuff The quests i have seen are always neutral or well good aligned; no in between, you dont get to play as a normal polite in warhammer 40K that just tries to survive. I dont know if its the nature of quests but almost always you never play the ''bad'' guys so please i like the plans but dont make your plan sound like it hasn't been done befor.
I mean, if you want to play as a bad guy, there's Grimdark Tech Support where you play as a Dark Mechanicus Magos
Adhoc vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 15, 2024 at 3:37 PM, finished with 155 posts and 116 votes.
Lads, I think the vote tally is borked. There is no way I went from ~20 Votes to 70 in...2 hours?
I guess it just means your propaganda worked.

Praise the Military-Industrial Complex!!!
 
Echoes of Creation (30k/Exalted)
The Lost Primarch Quest
A Song Of Peace: Imperial Regent Quest [40k]
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
An Extra Primarch

Do i have to search more? This are all the quests that play as a good faction in the warhammer 40K universe and they are not just a sector; furthermore, you are talking about a galaxy-spanning multi-race conflict Of course, there will be millions dying; Even if there was peace, millions would still die in the galaxy so yeah its not uniuqe done befor dont udnerstand me wrong but i want something different sometimes.

There's only maybe two of those Quests I follow closely, and Song of Peace is very much on the side of "You would like to be less shit, but realistically the best you can do is a controlled demolition that doesn't lead to omnicide happening". Extra Primarch is a disaster of Numbers Going Up and bad scaling, and ADB seems halfway dead at this point because the return of SDB seems to have devoured the QM's time and energy entirely.

The only one of those I'd call halfway legit is Echoes of Creation, and even that, I lost a lot of my interest when "Super Ebon Dragon basically co-opts Everything and only a set of fantastic rolls managed to prevent him from Just Winning", Lost Primarch Quest... That's the one with the dude who's just Immune to Chaos for some reason and that expands into everything else?

I dunno, I never really followed it closely, so I wouldn't know.

The point is, I'm not interested in a story with an amoral protagonist who has no reason to interact with anyone outside their patron, you know? That's all there is to it, and full out villain protagonists are not something I want to read. BlueHelix's plan isn't as bad as some, but it's still not really ideal in my opinion. The ones I'd really like to see win are Overtime and Adventure, because they're required to interact with and foster good relations with others to make their builds work, and I live for good characterization.
 
No. Click the names in the post. THESE PEOPLE DID NOT VOTE FOR OVERTIME! @Neablis The Tally broke. I repeat: the Tally has broken!
Ah balls. This is literally my second time running a vote on this platform and I messed up closing the first one. I don't know how to fix this. Does anybody know how to help? I looked around the quest stuff and it isn't telling me.

And also, I'll be honest, Neablis so far has genuinely impressed me with their writing ability, and I think it would be wasted on what amounts to being a highly introspective story, where we only interact with people in so far as it gets us closer to the dream of Straightening Out the Timeline. I'm sure they'd still be able to make it work out well, but despite being equipped with a diplomatic suite, there's nobody around who's really willing to talk from its starting location. Furthermore, it's dependent on an outside force's favor to endure the problems of Chaos, which makes us beholden to their whims. While yes, Neablis isn't going to force us into working for someone utterly tyrannical, the point is still that we won't have the freedom to say no if they demand something and it's not something we want to do. I don't want that. So many 40K stories justify everything that happens by way of "If you don't toe the line, you will suffer for it because someone's always in a position to punish you for it."
Aww. Thanks! Yeah, the "friendly warp entity" is going to demand stuff from you in return for the chaos protection. Organic worshipers, sacrifices, something, likely depending on their nature. The technological one is going to require you to dedicate research and building to upkeep and upgrade your chaos resistance. And the Emps one is more expensive.
 
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I mean, if you want to play as a bad guy, there's Grimdark Tech Support, where you play as a Dark Mechanicus Magos

I guess it just means your propaganda worked.

Praise the military-industrial complex!!!
Nah im good but its just so stale that people always vote for 1. Xeno 2. Iconclast
dont understand me wrong It makes fun to play as them, but if you have seen it in quests of different authors,.
You ask yourself, Could we not go that and be more unqiue or even play a mono focus? Thats where I'm currently standing. I like playing as these faction iconclasts and all, but I want something more grim and dark, sorry if I cannot really convey how I feel and see the quests at the moment.
 
Honestly I don't want to play as a bargain-bin Trazyn, we as the players already know everything there is to know about the story of 40k (All the things that matter anywho) and Liber's character just isn't as emotionally gripping as Vita could be (I am biased a little, but I am preferring the idea of a cheerful A.I slowly learning more about the galaxy and gathering a motley crew under her tattered banner than trying to ape an already established character - Trazyn -)

Ultimately, what calls me to voting for Space Adventure is 'Uniqueness', specifically of Vita as a character (in this setting of 40k at least)
 
I'm a bit concerned people didn't see this part of character creation - but yeah, the friendly warp entity isn't a free pass:
-[] A friendly warp entity (-3 shinies). Triggers a sub-vote to determine their nature, your relationship and what they expect in return. You might worship them, be friends with them or have a much more transactional relationship. They will ask you for things regardless, and they won't be able to protect you from the direct attention of a chaos god unless you help them get stronger.
 
Adhoc vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 15, 2024 at 3:48 PM, finished with 161 posts and 116 votes.
YOU ARE COUNTING ME TWICE! WHAT THE-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
And the Emps one is more expensive.
At least Big Daddy E didn't cheap out on protection.
You ask yourself, Could we not go that and be more unqiue or even play a mono focus? Thats where I'm currently standing. I like playing as these faction iconclasts and all, but I want something more grim and dark, sorry if I cannot really convey how I feel and see the quests at the moment.
Should you feel worried and averse to Overtime because of that, then I can rightly say that Overtime will still be dealing with all the bullshit and grimdarkness of 40k, like all other Plans. The difference is that we are going to hand the heavy flamers to little timmy and Gleeb-Glorbulos and tell them to fuck shit up in the name of the MIC. Also fill out a form to detail how to put more flamer into their flamers next time.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 15, 2024 at 3:48 PM, finished with 161 posts and 116 votes.
YOU ARE COUNTING ME TWO! WHAT THE-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

At least Big Daddy E didn't cheap out on protection.

Should you feel worried and averse to Overtime because of that, then I can rightly say that Overtime will still be dealing with all the bullshit and grimdarkness of 40K, like all other plans. The difference is that we are going to hand the heavy flamers to little Timmy and Gleeb-Glorbulos and tell them to fuck shit up in the name of the MIC. Also fill out a form to detail how to put more flamer into their flamers next time.
Its magic just let the magic work and there will be rainbows and all at the end of the tunnel with a gold pot. :V
 
Adhoc vote count started by HeroCooky on Nov 15, 2024 at 3:59 PM, finished with 167 posts and 116 votes.
OVERTIME VOTES JUST DOUBLED! WHU?!

...hey, QM? I think you should call it early. I mean, It's pretty clear who won. :V
 
Yeah, I have to agree with @Lord Bane , besides quests, there's tons of stories where author writes "fix it" story or otherwise presents the actions of the characters as good or justified, there's tons of stories with Primarchs cooperating with non-Humans and wanting to fix the Galaxy, quests on other sites, like Spacebattle, where people play Tau and are building truly utopian society.

If there's option to be good or less bad, people usually choose it, amoral or immoral character aren't common @Alectai , not the other way around.
Honestly I don't want to play as a bargain-bin Trazyn, we as the players already know everything there is to know about the story of 40k (All the things that matter anywho) and Liber's character just isn't as emotionally gripping as Vita could be (I am biased a little, but I am preferring the idea of a cheerful A.I slowly learning more about the galaxy and gathering a motley crew under her tattered banner than trying to ape an already established character - Trazyn -)

Ultimately, what calls me to voting for Space Adventure is 'Uniqueness', specifically of Vita as a character (in this setting of 40k at least)
We wouldn't be his copy. Again, Trazyn doesn't give a fuck about actual history, he just likes to hoard things, and has no problem throwing his own stuff into trash, if he can get more unique, special edition Space Marine or T'au commander. And there's plenty of contradictions and small cultures we can explore, that offer Neablis creative freedom, like Golden Apostles or Interex.

Ah balls. This is literally my second time running a vote on this platform and I messed up closing the first one. I don't know how to fix this. Does anybody know how to help? I looked around the quest stuff and it isn't telling me.
Yeah, no, can't be fixed. Sorry Neablis, no offence but it's your fault, you should have just given normal text to the options at the beginning of the run off, instead of the linked votes, that's the reason the tally broke, to many options, because it differenciated between the normal text and the linked text votes you had given.

I'm a bit concerned people didn't see this part of character creation - but yeah, the friendly warp entity isn't a free pass:
Ehh. It's more that, you didn't specify that the demands of the entity could include stuff like sacrifices or spreading it's worship. When all we are given is just "the being will ask you for stuff to do" it's pretty vague and easy to dismiss for most people. I still find it, to be the most interesting option, that allows us, multiple different ways to develope and characterize our relationship with our benefactor. I just find it more interesting than just "Oh, you get to be immune to Daemons, but you must work for it first! Viva la technologica!" or "Muh Emprah did it".
 
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Aww. Thanks! Yeah, the "friendly warp entity" is going to demand stuff from you in return for the chaos protection. Organic worshipers, sacrifices, something, likely depending on their nature. The technological one is going to require you to dedicate research and building to upkeep and upgrade your chaos resistance. And the Emps one is more expensive.
I'm a bit concerned people didn't see this part of character creation - but yeah, the friendly warp entity isn't a free pass:
Yep, I was aware of that. I was under the impression that it wasn't like, outright worse because otherwise the optimal path would be reality simulators + psytech + psytech protection and you noted you wouldn't try to outright screw us right now, but yeah, I super understand there's no such thing as a free lunch. I picked it for some character work in a pretty funky starting environment and potential inroads to more artifacts etc.

Don't worry, so long as things are in good faith I won't cry afterwards haha.

If there's option to be good or less bad, people usually choose it, amoral or immoral character aren't common @Alectai , not the other way around.
I'm going to be super clear, the intent for my plan is not for an immoral character, and absolutely not an outright amoral character. Bare minimum, even Trazyn has morality, just one not understandable by us.

I wrote the backstory specifically about this stuff — the choices otherwise inform it (having info text says being horrified by what you hear) but the goal is to understand the past to never repeat its mistakes. To discover truth to eliminate falsehoods and lies that people peddle.

Liber does have principles. Yes, they're a nerd and a scholar and they care more ancient civs than current ones, but you can't devote yourselves to learning more about history and culture and not empathize, even just a little, about the people that you're studying — and in the case of many anthropologists — living amongst (for best data and understanding).

When the time comes, Liber will absolutely ice that omnicidal xenos Civ, delete chaos folks, wreck the eventual Mechanicus crusade fleet, whatever. But they'll take the time to learn about them, record their history, understand what drove them to the extremes of omnicide / Chaos / extreme religious dogmatism.

Liber may not have as conventional morals, but they do have them. Just want that to be clear haha.
 
We wouldn't be his copy. Again, Trazyn doesn't give a fuck about actual history, he just likes to hoard things, and has no problem throwing his own stuff into trash, if he can get more unique, special edition Space Marine or T'au commander. And there's plenty of contradictions and small cultures we can explore, that offer Neablis creative freedom, like Golden Apostles or Interex.

I'm reasonably certain that Trazyn does actually care for history considering the fact that he spent his biological life as a historian/archivist and owns a planet sized museum full of pieces dating back to the War In Heaven (Solemnace).

Hell, he even outright aspires to open up Solemnace as an museum once the Necrons reverse the Biotransference (needs a citation on this one but I'm reasonably confident on it).

As for the things that he "Throws away", I can count on one hand the number of times that Trazyn has done that in the lore and they all have justifiable reasons as to why he's doing them (Infinite And The Divine: Trazyn lets loose a Genestealer cult from his collection in order to buy enough time to save the day, Fall of Cadia: Trazyn lets loose some of his collection to try and turn the tide in the loyalist's favour - and because doing nothing would spell the death of the galaxy -)

(Some pieces that Trazyn throws around willy-nilly are also implied to being recent and replaceable or are surplus / placeholders that have since become obsolete - as in, modern 40k pieces that are practically dime-a-dozen -, you don't make a good museum by throwing the T-Rex skeleton at a home-invader)

As for small cultures? Why bother? The Imperium has already done everything in its power to stamp down and erase almost all of those minor xenos and unique Human cultures like the Interex or the Kinebranch (Great Crusade onwards), to say nothing of the War in Heaven, ten thousand years of aggressive expansionism and xenophobia will mean that artifacts, ruins or even any records of their existence would either be burned, worn down by time or outright erased by the concept of Damnatio Memoriae.

Point being, I just think that Liber would be redundant when put next to Trazyn and we'd have our work cut out for us to to our job as an archaeologist.

"This character is a humanoid A.I who roams the galaxy to collect pieces for his museum and is often concerned with his own personal quest for posterity save for only the most dire of situations."

Am I talking about Liber or Trazyn in this situation?
 
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When the time comes, Liber will absolutely ice that omnicidal xenos Civ, delete chaos folks, wreck the eventual Mechanicus crusade fleet, whatever. But they'll take the time to learn about them, record their history, understand what drove them to the extremes of omnicide / Chaos / extreme religious dogmatism.

Liber may not have as conventional morals, but they do have them. Just want that to be clear haha.

Good to see that I'm voting for what I actually want then! What with the source themselves saying it out loud, lol. Someone with principles but has goals and desires that supercede pure benevolence.

An amoral character isn't one I'd be interested in reading, for obvious reasons.
 
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I did a quick manual count and got:
45 - We're going on a Space Adventure!
43 - TFW a history degree needs a battleship
28 - The Arsenal of Office Overtime
22 - To free the teacher and a friend
And a second count got me:
46 - We're going on a Space Adventure!
42 - TFW a history degree needs a battleship
28 - The Arsenal of Office Overtime
23 - To free the teacher and a friend
So the rough dimension should be correct but don't count on it being a 100% correct
 
"This character is a humanoid A.I who roams the galaxy to collect pieces for his museum and is often concerned with his own personal quest for posterity save for only the most dire of situations."

Am I talking about Liber or Trazyn in this situation?
Neither? Trazyn isn't AI. His consciousness was metaphysically transferred into artifical body by C'tan. At most, similar to other Necron Lords, he can install copies of his mind based on specific fragments of his personality, so called subordinate minds, into his body to help him, remember stuff or analyze the situation he is in.

As far as I know, Liber isn't humanoid, unless I missed something or misremembered about the character description. Also, minor nitpick, but Kinebrach were Interex, they belonged to the same civilization and culture as Humans, Luna Wolves met in Horus Rising. Interex included multiple different species, including client civilizations, into their society. The entire Interex civilization was founded, after a group of Humans defeated Kinebrach species, original civilization in war and decided to integrate them into their society.

Also, there are mentions of stuff like Kinebrach weapons surviving and being used in 41 millennium , thought I must find the exact quote, so the Imperium wasn't perfect in destroying stuff, and there are should be some documents and artifacts that survived the flow of time. Also, Neablis approved of the plan, so there will be stuff for us to research, just put trust in the QM writing.
 
Aww. Thanks! Yeah, the "friendly warp entity" is going to demand stuff from you in return for the chaos protection. Organic worshipers, sacrifices, something, likely depending on their nature. The technological one is going to require you to dedicate research and building to upkeep and upgrade your chaos resistance. And the Emps one is more expensive.
Yep, I was aware of that. I was under the impression that it wasn't like, outright worse because otherwise the optimal path would be reality simulators + psytech + psytech protection and you noted you wouldn't try to outright screw us right now, but yeah, I super understand there's no such thing as a free lunch. I picked it for some character work in a pretty funky starting environment and potential inroads to more artifacts etc.

Don't worry, so long as things are in good faith I won't cry afterwards haha.
On this, further on what I suggested on discord already:

Crippled Machine God.

Basically, they are the naturally-born warp-entity from not just AdMech's beliefs and rituals, but from all of the universe's sentients beliefs and feeling on science, innovation, technology and machines. They would be an extremely powerful god otherwise but. The Void Dragon's mere existence on Mars has them crippled. Its influence and malice seeping through the cracks in its prison and then spreading through the dogmatic ideology of the Mechanicus further into the stars. Trying to strangle a god of machines and progress in its crib.

And Vashtorr contesting their claim on their domains, while not as strong as that of a proper Chaos God, leaves them further weakened. And the general state of the galaxy and the warp and the fact the Four are a thing doesn't exactly help.

With all of this in mind, they should have some reason why they haven't been torn to shreds until they cease to exist. Maybe it is their unique tie into the physical realm, the Machine Spirits that reside in machines being tiny bits of the Machine-God-Who-Could-Be. Could be something else entirely, who knows?

The result? An entity that is a mere fraction of what it should be. But is still very helpful in shielding our AI protagonist from the predators in the warp, due to its nature meshing so well with the AI itself. And for Liber? They could be the patron for a historian, a patron whose needs mesh well with the capabilities of an AI from the Golden Age of Humanity. There could potentially some malleability on their nature, as they are weak and fractured without never having been a proper god with an unconstested claim on their domains.

Benefits: Due to being a warp-entity with domain (contested) over machines, can shield the AI very well from the nasty parts of the Warp. Potential for interactions on Machine Spirits, and not just their physical medium? A somewhat shaky but feasible change of starting a cult from some fringe members of the Adeptus Mechanicus.

Costs: The Machine God actually wants to reach its proper status as a god in the warp. And it needs followers not under the influence of the Void Dragon or the Chaos for this to happen. That, and knowledge, innovation, technological infrastructure and equipment becoming more widespread and advanced is what they also need from us. ...With that technology not cut off completely from the warp, like that of the Necrons.

@Neablis, could this work as a (very) rough draft? Not exactly 100% how to make this mesh with your intentions for the quest or mechanics at this point, but just wanted to get something out in time.

Also, changing my vote from approval voting to only my favorite plan:

[X] Plan: TFW a history degree needs a battleship
 
No offence @meianmaru , but @Neablis , can we please, just ignore Vashtorr in this quest canon? I don't find him interesting at all, if GW wanted important Chaos Daemon that concentrates on technology, they should have just used Daemon Primarch Perturabo.
 
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