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The Long Founding (Warhammer 40k)

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[X] Plan: Iron Testers VA
[X] Plan: Iron Testers VB
[X] Plan: (don't) Fear the Reaper
[X]Highly effective testers
[X] Plan: Preparations and some savings.
 
Votes are pretty clear.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Oct 25, 2024 at 10:13 AM, finished with 137 posts and 50 votes.
  • [X] Plan: Preparations and some savings.
    -[X] Testing, Testing: The Forge World of Murphius is one of the greatest producers of bolter weapons and rounds outside of Mars itself. They are also constantly switching between the many different patterns of bolters that they have 'discovered' in their obsessive quest to discover the ultimate incarnation of bolt weapon technology. They want a Chapter to test some of their... newer rediscoveries. You wish you could be unconnected to these idiots some days, you really do.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. 2x
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. 2x.
    [X] Plan: Redemption in Battle.
    -[X] Purge the Unclean: Apparently, other Inquisitors have noticed the anti-Khorne request. Now, they have decided that they want you to make a Chapter built around fighting Nurgle instead. This better not become a trend.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Death Guard.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. 2x
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    - [X] Cauter Blade: A specialized vibro blade of intense cutting power, which the Techpriest showing it to you theorizes was probably made for usage against regenerating creatures by the Ancients. When the Cauter Blade is active, the middle of the blade becomes superheated to the point that both sides of the wounds it creates are separately cauterized, keeping the wound from healing properly and making it far more difficult to reattach or regenerate lost limbs. It does, of course, come with the caveat that enemies struck with it face no fear of bleeding out whatsoever.
    [X] Plan: Emperor's Redeemers.
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    -[X] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round. 2x.
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. 2x.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. 3x.
    -[X] More Hunters: This chapter has additional examples of the Hunter heavy anti-aircraft vehicle. 5 Points.
    [X] Plan: Witch Blades.
    -[X] Bird Hunting: Too late, apparently - now a third group of Inquisitors want a Chapter specialized in fighting the Changer of Ways….. Which is going to be utterly infuriating given the very nature of that particular pain in your backside. Bah.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. 3x.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. 2x.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter.
    -[X] Extra Assault Bikes: The Chapter has access to more Assault Bikes than average, expanding their capability in hit and run tactics. 5 Points.
    [X] Plan: Redemption!
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    —[X] Luna Wolves
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. 2x
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. 2x
    - [X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.
    [X] Plan: Preparations for Super Chapters-Part 2.
    -[X] Testing, Testing: The Forge World of Murphius is one of the greatest producers of bolter weapons and rounds outside of Mars itself. They are also constantly switching between the many different patterns of bolters that they have 'discovered' in their obsessive quest to discover the ultimate incarnation of bolt weapon technology. They want a Chapter to test some of their... newer rediscoveries. You wish you could be unconnected to these idiots some days, you really do.
    [X] Plan: Perfectionists "leading by example"
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Emperor's Children.
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    - [X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.
    [X] Plan Highlanders Ahoy-No requests.
    -[X] Do as you will: You will not be taking any requests at this time.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] World Eaters.
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. 2x.
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. 3x.
    [X] Plan: Wraith Kings.
    -[X] Reinforcing Obscurus: An increase in threats in Segmentum Obscurus has led to many within the Imperium pushing for additional Space Marines within the region. A contribution by you would go a long way towards assuaging their fears.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] World Eaters.
    --[X] Night Lords.
    -[X] Secondary Gene-Seed: The key component for creating Chimeric Gene-Seed. You're honestly surprised Guiliman approved of this one - then again, you did hear him grumbling about some idiots who were suggesting mixing Night Lord and World Eater templates, so maybe he just wanted to make the concept your problem before somebody did something completely moronic. 25 Points for one charge, choose 1 legion to be the donor for the secondary Gene-Seed. Burn 1 charge and traits from the donor chapter are added for a roll, or a separate charge of potent gene-seed can be spent for a separate roll on the donor legion's trait list as well as an acquisition of the secondary legions 'base' traits.
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. 3x.
    [X] Plan: Remedial AP Classes.
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    - [X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. 6x.
    [X] Plan: Mmm, Grilled Mollusk.
    -[X] Bird Hunting: Too late, apparently - now a third group of Inquisitors want a Chapter specialized in fighting the Changer of Ways….. Which is going to be utterly infuriating given the very nature of that particular pain in your backside. Bah.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Death Guard.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. 2x
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. 2x.
    - [X] Cauter Blade: A specialized vibro blade of intense cutting power, which the Techpriest showing it to you theorizes was probably made for usage against regenerating creatures by the Ancients. When the Cauter Blade is active, the middle of the blade becomes superheated to the point that both sides of the wounds it creates are separately cauterized, keeping the wound from healing properly and making it far more difficult to reattach or regenerate lost limbs. It does, of course, come with the caveat that enemies struck with it face no fear of bleeding out whatsoever.
    [X] Plan: Redemption Squad.
    -[X] Do as you will: You will not be taking any requests at this time.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Thousand Sons.
    --[X] World Eaters.
    --[X] Death Guard.
    --[X] Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus.
    --[X] Night Lords.
    --[X] Emperor's Children.
    [X] Plan: Iron Testers VA
    - [X] Testing, Testing
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed x2
    - [X] Extra Trainers
    [X] Plan: Iron Testers VB
    - [X] Testing, Testing
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed
    - [X] Extra Trainers x2
    [X] Plan: (don't) Fear the Reaper
    -[X] Breadbasket: Word has reached the High Lords of a plot to invade one of the Imperium's major food producing regions. Should such a domain fall, entire planets could face lethal famines. Understandably, they want to make sure that a full Chapter of Space Marine is around to protect at least one of these vital regions, as proof against further such attacks.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Death Guard.
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.x2
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have Ork Eating spider horses now? (less adaptive GS)
    -[X] Ork Hunters: As one may expect, the increased awareness of the Ork threat after the War of the Beast has led to quite a few new proposals crossing your desk recently.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: Oil for the Oil God, Cogs for the Cog Throne!
    -[X] Spiting the Blood God: Some of the 'Inquisitors' created by the Sigilite before his death have been toying with the idea of creating a Space Marine Chapter specifically built to be as unfulfilling a foe for the forces of Khorne to fight as possible. You may as well take them up on it - it's certainly one of their less horrific ideas.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Death Guard.
    --[X] Luna Wolves.
    --[X] Emperor's Children.
    --[X] Night Lords.
    --[X] World Eaters.
    --[X] Thousand Sons.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have therapeutic spider horses now? (less adaptive GS)
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have therapeutic spider horses now? (less potent GS)
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. x2
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have Ork Eating spider horses now? (less potent GS)
    -[X] Ork Hunters: As one may expect, the increased awareness of the Ork threat after the War of the Beast has led to quite a few new proposals crossing your desk recently.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. x2
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have therapeutic spider horses now? (less extra equipment)
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. x2
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have therapeutic spider horses now? (less extra training)
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. x2
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X]Highly effective testers, spider horse cowboy edition
    [X] Plan Highlanders Ahoy
    -[X] Bird Hunting: Too late, apparently - now a third group of Inquisitors want a Chapter specialized in fighting the Changer of Ways….. Which is going to be utterly infuriating given the very nature of that particular pain in your backside. Bah.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] World Eaters.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -- [X] 2 Charges
    -- [X] 1 Charge
    - [X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.
    - [X] Cauter Blade: A specialized vibro blade of intense cutting power, which the Techpriest showing it to you theorizes was probably made for usage against regenerating creatures by the Ancients. When the Cauter Blade is active, the middle of the blade becomes superheated to the point that both sides of the wounds it creates are separately cauterized, keeping the wound from healing properly and making it far more difficult to reattach or regenerate lost limbs. It does, of course, come with the caveat that enemies struck with it face no fear of bleeding out whatsoever.
    [X]Highly effective testers
    [X] Plan: Allergen Free(not allergen free)
    [X]Highly effective testers
    -[X] Testing, Testing: The Forge World of Murphius is one of the greatest producers of bolter weapons and rounds outside of Mars itself. They are also constantly switching between the many different patterns of bolters that they have 'discovered' in their obsessive quest to discover the ultimate incarnation of bolt weapon technology. They want a Chapter to test some of their... newer rediscoveries. You wish you could be unconnected to these idiots some days, you really do.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.x2
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    [X]Highly effective testers, spider horse cowboy edition
    -[X] Testing, Testing: The Forge World of Murphius is one of the greatest producers of bolter weapons and rounds outside of Mars itself. They are also constantly switching between the many different patterns of bolters that they have 'discovered' in their obsessive quest to discover the ultimate incarnation of bolt weapon technology. They want a Chapter to test some of their... newer rediscoveries. You wish you could be unconnected to these idiots some days, you really do.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.x2
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have Ork Eating spider horses now? (less extra equipment)
    -[X] Ork Hunters: As one may expect, the increased awareness of the Ork threat after the War of the Beast has led to quite a few new proposals crossing your desk recently.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. x2
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter.
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x2
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: so . . . can i have Ork Eating spider horses now? (less extra training)
    -[X] Ork Hunters: As one may expect, the increased awareness of the Ork threat after the War of the Beast has led to quite a few new proposals crossing your desk recently.
    -[X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait. x2
    -[X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion. x2
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -[X] More Equipment: You've managed to secure extra equipment for a Chapter. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to add an extra equipment slot for the Chapter. x2
    -[X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialised training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.
    -[X] Latch Boots: A superior counterpart to the regular mag-boots in Power Armour, these fascinating devices gives the Chapter's armor the ability to 'stick' itself onto any surface at will - letting the Astartes of the chapter fight on vertical surfaces, or even while upside down. 10 Points.
    [X] Plan: Mmm, Grilled Mollusk.
    -[X] Bird Hunting: Too late, apparently - now a third group of Inquisitors want a Chapter specialized in fighting the Changer of Ways….. Which is going to be utterly infuriating given the very nature of that particular pain in your backside. Bah.
    -[X] Traitor Legion Geneseed: If you wish, you could gain access to the gene-seed of the Traitor Legions. Each will have its benefits and costs, but all of them will have their gene-fathers concealed for practical reasons - little point creating a Chapter only for them to be wiped out by some overly paranoid fool. Write in a traitor legion. 10 Points for each time this is taken.
    --[X] Death Guard.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    -- [X] 2 Charges
    -[x] Legendary Gene-Seed: The finest Gene-Seed ever recovered from a given Legion. 15 Points per charge, Burn a Charge to add a Legion's legendary traits to the roll list for that round.
    -- [X] 1 Charge
    - [X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option.
    - [X] Cauter Blade: A specialized vibro blade of intense cutting power, which the Techpriest showing it to you theorizes was probably made for usage against regenerating creatures by the Ancients. When the Cauter Blade is active, the middle of the blade becomes superheated to the point that both sides of the wounds it creates are separately cauterized, keeping the wound from healing properly and making it far more difficult to reattach or regenerate lost limbs. It does, of course, come with the caveat that enemies struck with it face no fear of bleeding out whatsoever.
    [X] Plan: Remedial AP Classes.
    - [X] The Shamed: As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
    - [X] Potent Gene-Seed Charge: Some samples of a chapter's gene-seed are more likely to retain their stronger traits, and you have isolated such samples. 5 Points for each charge. Burn a charge to make the chapter roll for two traits from their parent legion.
    - [X] Adaptive Gene-Seed: Some samples of Gene-seed are more capable of adapting to different conditions on different planets. 5 Points each charge. Burn a charge to roll an extra planetary trait.
    - [X] Extra Trainers: With some extra effort and yelling at a few more bureaucrats, you ought to be able to arrange things so the new Chapter is able to get in some extra specialized training before proper deployment. 5 Points. Burn 1 charge to get an extra training option. x6
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I don't hate Testing, Testing, but I don't see the point in hoarding more points when we already have enough to get one of the big ticket items done.

The Shamed is popular, so I want to get it out of the way for the next time we have lots of points to spend. It would split the votes less.
 
Enthusiast#117 said:
I don't hate Testing, Testing, but I don't see the point in hoarding more points when we already have enough to get one of the big ticket items done.

The Shamed is popular, so I want to get it out of the way for the next time we have lots of points to spend. It would split the votes less.
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The point is to create extremely powerful Chapter. I want for the Shamed Chapter to be mix between Word Bearers and Luna Wolves, with the latter being the secondary geneseed.

Also, I don't understand you're point. Unless Frog decides to change things, the only way to get a lot of points is to hoard them. Unless we make at least two Chapters, without spending any points, there's no other way to get 100 or just 80 points. So either way, we have to hoard them, and picking relatively "easy" requests like "Testing,Testing" is at least less boring than just doing "Do as you will" and "Fleet Based" Chapter combination for several turns to get said points.
 
undead frog said:
Well your going to have to Destin around potentially unreliable bolters but other than that yeah;

Just remeber that if your mostly in it for something other than the request when making a plan than you should just choose do as you will.
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Frog I think it would be a really good idea to put hard limits on how many point's players can hoard and/or have serious consequences for players trying to be super cheap when creating chapters like reducing the number of points we get. Because players tend to have a bad habit of min maxing over story at times. As this quest has shown we don't need a ridiculous amount of points to create interesting chapters.

Otherwise you get people going for the bare minimum when it comes to chapter creation and that really not something you want becoming a regular thing when the point of the quest is to try to make interesting chapters.
 
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Red Bovine said:
Frog I think it would be a really good idea to put hard limits on how many point's players can hoard and/or have serious consequences for players trying to be super cheap when creating chapters like reducing the number of points we get. Because players tend to have a bad habit of min maxing over story at times. As this quest has shown we don't need a ridiculous amount of points to create interesting chapters.

Otherwise you get people going for the bare minimum and that really not something you want becoming a regular thing.
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Contrpoint. We could buy this turn as much things as we want and don't spend any next turn
 
Dlan the Wizard said:
The point is to create extremely powerful Chapter. I want for the Shamed Chapter to be mix between Word Bearers and Luna Wolves, with the latter being the secondary geneseed.

Also, I don't understand you're point. Unless Frog decides to change things, the only way to get a lot of points is to hoard them. Unless we make at least two Chapters, without spending any points, there's no other way to get 100 or just 80 points. So either way, we have to hoard them, and picking relatively "easy" requests like "Testing,Testing" is at least less boring than just doing "Do as you will" and "Fleet Based" Chapter combination for several turns to get said points.
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I get that people want to spend a lot on The Shamed, even if I don't agree. 60 points is enough to do what you described though, so there's no need to put it off for a later turn.

80 or 100 points is just excessive. It's not worth two or three entire cycles of buildup just for that payoff. I have other ideas for chapters that need 60 points to pull off. If The Shamed is so popular that it needs to be done first for my ideas to be considered, then spending 80 on Shamed means waiting 2 more cycles after this one until it's possible to do another 60 point chapter. Spending 100 points means waiting 3 more cycles. Doing The Shamed now with 60 points means waiting only 1.

That aside, being transferred to this chapter is supposed to be punishment duty for disgraced and criminal astartes. Making it super powerful would also make it prestigious, which would defeat the point.

How do you plan to make it powerful, while keeping it a punishment to be sent there?
 
Agreed, that sort of Point surplus is best spent on projects like Anti-Ork or Inedible, since Orks and future Tyranids are worth that sort of investment.
 
I know that I made a plan for the shamed but I still can't get this thought out of my head.

How are we able to use the gene seed consumables when the shamed is made up of marines from other chapters?
 
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Theia said:
I know that I made a plan for the shamed but I still can't get this thought of my head.

How are we able to use the gene seed consumables when the shamed is made up of marines from other chapters?
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The Chapter will be founded like any other Chapter with 1000 SM but with extra Chaplains.
The Shamed will simply be added onto the base Chapter who will have the charge of supervising the Shamed (and if deemed neccessary executing them most likely).

You cant really create a Chapter made up only of the Shamed as you also need a force to supervise them with enough power to purge them if needed.
Thus a Chapter of Space Marines to hold accountable a bunch of shamed Space Marines as a replacement for Penitent Crusades.

Otherwise there is a good chance of the Penitent Marines simply going Renegade without proper oversight.
 
Theia said:
I know that I made a plan for the shamed but I still can't get this thought out of my head.

How are we able to use the gene seed consumables when the shamed is made up of marines from other chapters?
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My understanding is that the marines that make up this chapter will be acting as overseers for the marines being sent to serve with them.
 
Mechanics of the quest as they stand, simple encourage hoarding in one way or another to create extremely powerful Chapters, things simply have to be changed, the fact we were able to create Chapters like The Golden Sons or The Seraph Brotherhood was a huge mistake to begin with. The Chapter creation itself should be limited and we should have hard limit how much stuff we can put into Chapter. Another idea would be increasing the price of some things, like extra training.

Enthusiast#117 said:
80 or 100 points is just excessive. It's not worth two or three entire cycles of buildup just for that payoff.
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Ehmm. Not really? Things took that long, because we still were spending points on other stuff, I and @Somnia even proposed plans, that explicitly didn't buy anything. Getting 80 points it just one turn of not buying anything.

That aside, being transferred to this chapter is supposed to be punishment duty for disgraced and criminal astartes. Making it super powerful would also make it prestigious, which would defeat the point.

How do you plan to make it powerful, while keeping it a punishment to be sent there?
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Well, first, I never understood the Shamed as punishment duty, but form of rehabilitation and redemption add to that the "disgraced" Astartes simply lost favor from their original Chapter, which might have been caused by simply not fitting the Chapter mentality or way of combat.

Same thing with the Marines who commited a crime, it's explicitly wasn't things severe enough to warrant execution, and again,depending on the Chapter from which they come from, the crime might be again anything, both things that are objectively sketchy or/and awful, as well as things that are crimes only in the eyes of that very specific Chapter, assholes like Marines Malevolent for example.

undead frog said:
As things stands there is nothing to do with Marines who have fallen out of favor with their Chapter, nor those who have committed crimes steep enough to bring dishonor, yet not severe enough to warrant death…. Of course, the only thing even remotely fitting to monitor these wayward Marines would be other Marines.
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Marines who lost his honor might have either objectively commited a crime or simply done the right thing to defeat the enemy, but the method was deemed by his Battle-Brothers, due to the Chapter culture and worldview, as dishonorable. Again, it might have been anything, for example the Marine in question not wanting to flatten guardsmen with a Rhino, only because they in the way or the Marine sacrificing his entire squad and whatever allies they were fighting with to destroy the enemy. Again, depending on the Chapter specifics, it could have been anything.

Because of that I don't want the Shamed to be a Chapter that punishes the Marines and makes them do suicidal charges to gain posthumous forgiveness. I want them to be a Chapter that actually uses the extra Chaplains they will get and gives the Marines who were too different from the rest of their Chapter, a place to live in, receive actual Brotherhood from other Astartes and continue defending and serving the Imperium, while the Astartes who commited actual crimes and have problems can be given proper rehabilitation.

That's why I want them to be powerful, I want them to be a Chapter that gives place for the outcasts, and simply eccentric Marines place to continue defending the Imperium, with all the resources needed for that, and do said defending very well.

As far as I'm concerned, doing Chapter that serves as punishment, misses the point for the request not the other way around.
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The Shamed will simply be added onto the base Chapter who will have the charge of supervising the Shamed (and if deemed neccessary executing them most likely).
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Enthusiast#117 said:
My understanding is that the marines that make up this chapter will be acting as overseers for the marines being sent to serve with them.
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Also, if the base Chapter must be overseers of the Marines that will be send to them, then wouldn't it be better for the Chapter to be powerful and prevent the disfavored Marines from being able to band together and oppose the Chapter or otherwise try to go rogue.
 
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The Shamed give me Imperial Black Legion vibes (I think I said that previously) so going either Luna Wolves chapter or chimera with World Bearers but it won't lessen the chance of Marines getting Horus's face.
 
Dlan the Wizard said:
Marines who lost his honor might have either objectively commited a crime or simply done the right thing to defeat the enemy, but the method was deemed by his Battle-Brothers, due to the Chapter culture and worldview, as dishonorable. Again, it might have been anything, for example the Marine in question not wanting to flatten guardsmen with a Rhino, only because they in the way or the Marine sacrificing his entire squad and whatever allies they were fighting with to destroy the enemy. Again, depending on the Chapter specifics, it could have been anything.
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a good example of this is what happens to titus at the end of space marine 1
 
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