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RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest)

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Ok, I reread this sidestory now that it's referenced in the update and it made me question this bit

BananaBuddy said:
It will be a monument to those who love and enjoy song, whether they be a professional Skald or a miner singing miner songs. It will be split into two sections. The upper level being a massive theatre for professionals plays and retelling while the lower level will cater to a much more informal and causal area with a multitude
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Won't it be more likely for the levels to be reversed? For the Upper Levels to be for the informal and casual skalds since they'd have to do it closer to the sky while the better ones do so in the Lower Levels completely surrounded by the comforts of stone that they'd be more used to.

My mental image of this was that instead of a normal two story building, it'd be closer to the Colloseum but more dug in to the ground. A semi-open upper level where the structure has a covered roof but keeps the big window things (on it's upper levels, since the uper levels would still be halfway below ground) of the roman colloseum for the Brana to more easily enter and exit. The Upper Level's focus would then be more about ease of access instead of acoustics (along with a bar for the food and alcohol, obviously) so the amateur performers and audience can more easily check in/out and access the lower levels if they want. Then the Lower Levels would be in more controlled and controllable area with acoustics as focus since it's for the professionals (also where the more expensive brews and foods are sold).

The unintended benefit of the semi-open floor plan would be making it a future curio which the humans might more easily stumble upon and copy while being potentially unaware of the deeper levels where "the good stuff" are kept.

Also now that I've thought of it a bit more, the "uoper levels" is basically half of what we think of as a fantasy medieval tavern, performer stage included. It only needs the rooms for the people and horses to complete the look.

I might have rambled on a bit too much with this.
 
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[X] [Khazagar:] Allow the Guild to host their contest but do not work with them.

Dark as Silver said:
Not really. For a couple of reasons.

Firstly he hasn't asked for a rapid reaction force. He asked for a communication method. A dragon would be significant overkill and too expensive to afford many of.

More simple smaller flying Gronti's have been debated about previously, consider reading around this post RHUNRIKKI STROLLAR (Warhammer Fantasy Golden Age Dwarf Runelord Quest) Fantasy - Users' Choice! which I think was my final word on it.

However generally I consider them to be a poor fit for the task.

While they are more secure than current method of some guys running letters around they're also more vulnerable than other proposed designs of the Rune Telegraph and the probable canon solution of a magic mirror.

They are basically highly limited by the need for a Master Runesmith with the ability to make non dwarf shaped Gronti's (we needed to be taught this by Valma) and possession of Dolgi's rune of Featherweight (only taught to family) or sufficient skill and knowledge to work Adamant thin enough to achieve appropriate lift to weight ratio or possibly both. And finally after all possible Runesmiths have been filtered down to meet these categories they can only work as fast as the Rule of Pride allows and at significant expense.
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I think you might be misunderstanding my point. I never mentioned anything about building more dragon gronti for a rapid reaction force, I simply stated another possible use case for the gronti we are already trying to build and how it may synergize with one of the Burudin's Challenges that we are already planning to accomplish. A side benefit that might be realized in the future instead of an intended use.

And it's not like the Flying Adamant Dragon would need more help in dealing with a conventional siege.
 
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Luftwaffles27 said:
I think you might be misunderstanding my point. I never mentioned anything about building more dragon gronti for a rapid reaction force, I simply stated another possible use case for the gronti we are already trying to build and how it may synergize with one of the Burudin's Challenges that we are already planning to accomplish. A side benefit that might be realized in the future instead of an intended use.

And it's not like the Flying Adamant Dragon would need more help in dealing with a conventional siege.
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I have misunderstood nothing, I am explaining that Flying Gronti are not a cost effective way for Snorri Whitebeard to share news across his continent spanning realm.
Triply so if your plan was that Snorri Whitebeard would first send a runner from Everpeak to Kraka Drak in order to ask to borrow the only example of a flying gronti if you don't actually intend to make more.
Its possible you've misunderstood the Chalange?
soulcake said:
Create a method of reliable, quick and secure communication as possible. Reveal and gain 1 Standing with Alric Thungnisson, Angkra Twenty-loops, and Karaz-a-Karak
As a consequence of his frequent discussions with his venerable uncle, the mighty and wise Snorri Whitebeard, Alric has offered a prompt for any that wish to take it up. A way for messages to be shared across the realms faster than any Runebearer, safer than any road and as reliable as a Master Crafted axe. Such is the sort of goal, the sort of problem a proper Runelord should set their sights upon he reckons, anything less is beneath them.
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He's a king he doesn't want to send one message at a time to each hold, he needs to tell all of them at once that wars happening grab your axe.
 
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Dark as Silver said:
I have misunderstood nothing, I am explaining that Flying Gronti are not a cost effective way for Snorri Whitebeard to share news across his continent spanning realm.
Triply so if your plan was that Snorri Whitebeard would first send a runner from Everpeak to Kraka Drak in order to ask to borrow the only example of a flying gronti if you don't actually intend to make more.
Its possible you've misunderstood the Chalange?

He's a king he doesn't want to send one message at a time to each hold, he needs to tell all of them at once that wars happening grab your axe.
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You've definitely misunderstood my post. I never said anything about using flying gronti or Skaudardrengi FOR communication. I only included that bit about Alric's Challenge because the effective use of a rapid reaction force practically necessitates it, especially for protecting the territory of something as vast as the Karaz Ankor.

If you wanted my thoughts on what to do with Alric's Challenge, I have a few older posts about runic semaphores using Light Runes (transmitter) and modified Forged Eye Runes (receiver).
 
[X] [Khazagar:] Allow the Guild to host their contest but do not work with them.
Gain, ??? A second Guild will sponsor competitions inside Khazagar. You have a better idea about what may happen this time. The most obvious result would be an uptick in the kind of Runecraft that the Metalsmiths Guild would care most about, usually weapons and armour, with the occasional talisman or helmet. Much the same way that the Engineers Guild's competitions caused the amount of war machines to increase. But in the long term you'll expect to see more smiths form relationships with visiting Runesmiths and vice versa.
 
Lokimotion said:
The most obvious result would be an uptick in the kind of Runecraft that the Metalsmiths Guild would care most about, usually weapons and armour, with the occasional talisman or helmet.
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I wonder about that. There's a possibility that the most likely things they could want after the usual suspects is asking for the possibility of runed tools for their trade.

Imagine if they asked for a Chainforger but for normal steel chains? Or runed barrels that helps with quenching is common to runesmiths, but do the other guilds know about that? Then there are the talismans to help against the heat, though there might be grumbling there about skill issue. And those are just the "basics". Maybe the cooperation will help both figure out new techniques to make use of all the unique materials of the north beyond just runic ingredients for the runesmiths, and how those items react to being runed for the non-runesmiths.
 
TimEd said:
I wonder about that. There's a possibility that the most likely things they could want after the usual suspects is asking for the possibility of runed tools for their trade.

Imagine if they asked for a Chainforger but for normal steel chains? Or runed barrels that helps with quenching is common to runesmiths, but do the other guilds know about that? Then there are the talismans to help against the heat, though there might be grumbling there about skill issue. And those are just the "basics". Maybe the cooperation will help both figure out new techniques to make use of all the unique materials of the north beyond just runic ingredients for the runesmiths, and how those items react to being runed for the non-runesmiths.
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The chainforger mk2 is a forge that improves all sorts of metalcraft, in addition to making it possible to make Gromril chain.

That alone is a big incentive for closer collaboration.
 
TimEd said:
I wonder about that. There's a possibility that the most likely things they could want after the usual suspects is asking for the possibility of runed tools for their trade.

Imagine if they asked for a Chainforger but for normal steel chains? Or runed barrels that helps with quenching is common to runesmiths, but do the other guilds know about that? Then there are the talismans to help against the heat, though there might be grumbling there about skill issue. And those are just the "basics". Maybe the cooperation will help both figure out new techniques to make use of all the unique materials of the north beyond just runic ingredients for the runesmiths, and how those items react to being runed for the non-runesmiths.
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Things might be being conflated here?
You're describing things that they might be commissioning for themselves, thats not necessarily what they're going to be asking runesmiths to inscribe for tournaments.
The vote is only for the tournaments I think, theres never been anything preventing them from rolling up and looking to commission something. Its not a focus like it is for the Crucible however it is allowed.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Things might be being conflated here?
You're describing things that they might be commissioning for themselves, thats not necessarily what they're going to be asking runesmiths to inscribe for tournaments.
The vote is only for the tournaments I think, theres never been anything preventing them from rolling up and looking to commission something. Its not a focus like it is for the Crucible however it is allowed.
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the aftereffects of this whole thing is what I meant in the first place, same as the increase in warmachines mentioned after the part I quoted.
 
TimEd said:
the aftereffects of this whole thing is what I meant in the first place, same as the increase in warmachines mentioned after the part I quoted.
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I don't get it.
Are you suggesting that they don't know these exist currently?
That they know they exist but wouldn't go out of there way to get them, but since they're in Khazagar for a tournament they'll get some while they're here?

Theres a couple of pretty clear connections for engineering runes and war machines:
Engineers guild holds tournament to see who can rune a war machine the best -> More war machines are runed due to people competing in tournaments.
Engineers guild tournament prizes are often commissions to rune a further fancier war machine -> More war machines are created.
Some Master runesmiths spend very little time or effort teaching engineering runes, their apprentices are learning about this for the first time in Khazagar -> More Runesmiths who are interested and capable of making runic war machines appear.

and the connections I think you're making are wonkier and more questionable and lesser.
Why are they asking for a chainforger now as a result of the tournament? Did they not know they existed previously, somehow missed the Gromril Mail discovery the first time for several centuries?
That seems more plausible for the runed barrels where someone might have just not known there was a rune for it. But... obviously theres going to be a rune of Fire resistance.
I don't know what you mean, how an item reacts to being runed for a non runesmith. We've been handing out Runic weapons and armours to Thanes and nobles for centuries we know the answer to this. They work the same way however casting can't be invoked and runesmiths can squeeze a little extra oomph out of them.
 
I mean that what is or isn't common knowledge between these secretive groups of youngsters may not be easily obvious to us who are looking at it from the outside and at a disconect since we see it through the lense of Snorri.
 
TimEd said:
I mean that what is or isn't common knowledge between these secretive groups of youngsters may not be easily obvious to us who are looking at it from the outside and at a disconect since we see it through the lense of Snorri.
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But... Gromril mail got solved and Runesmiths can make fire resistant equipment?
I imagine runesmiths haven't shut up about the mail, Gormak certainly knew about it before we'd even announced it, and fire resistant stuff is probably the next most common thing to an axe of fire.
We can't know..... but thats not the same as having probable cause to doubt.
 
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